Don't Allow Zombies to Climb Ladders

[brosto 9]

There have been a lot of suggestions about allowing zombies to climb up stairs and ladders.

While I agree with stairs, I don't think allowing them to climb ladders would be a good idea.

 

Here are some reasons why:

-In a zombie apocalypse, zeds wouldn't have the motor skills or concentration to climb ladders. 

-If a group of zombies comes to a ladder, how is it decided who goes first?

-Imagine being on top of a roof that can only be accessed by a ladder, not stairs. Zombies, upon finding you, swarm around the base of the building. You're practically left to die unless a survivor finds you and saves you. That'd be cool.

[pants! 83]

-If a group of zombies comes to a ladder, how is it decided who goes first?

 

 

Well they could put all their names in a hat and the first one out.....

.....but they'd need to find a hat, some paper and a pen first.

[Awruk 216]

Not to mention it creates easy to abuse chokepoint that any survivor could handle just by standing on top of the ladder with his fireaxe.

[Hethwill_Khan 233]

Some infected types should climb stairs. The more deeply infected, shamblers, should not.

 

Ladders ? nope. Requires coordination that the disease melted away from their brains.

[Problematic 71]

Here are some reasons why:

-In a zombie apocalypse, zeds wouldn't have the motor skills or concentration to climb ladders. 

-If a group of zombies comes to a ladder, how is it decided who goes first?

-Imagine being on top of a roof that can only be accessed by a ladder, not stairs. Zombies, upon finding you, swarm around the base of the building. You're practically left to die unless a survivor finds you and saves you. That'd be cool.

 

1. I love it when people try to apply logic to fantasy. Zombies aren't real, who is to say how smart/concentrated/able with their bodies they will be IF the - and I'd say it's pretty damn unlikely - Zombie Apocalypse ever occurs. So not a valid reason, you could say you don't like it if they had the motor skills to do some of those kind of things. In most Zombie media they can't climb ladders though so you could also say they should stick to the general canon about Zombies/Undead.

2. This is even a more absurd point, how about the first one to reach it and start climbing?

3. Valid point, I'd like a situation like this and have often ran for a ladder for safety myself. Would love to come across a totally surrounded building and weighing the risk to save a survivor or not.

 

I personally agee with the topic point though, stairs should be climbed (as now already happens in rare occasions) but not ladders. One of the main reasons imo is what's stated above, you could take care of  basically every-sized zombie herd by running up a ladder and hacking away at the exit point of said ladder.

[fitzee 248]

Hi.

 

It depends on the type of zombies we have in game really. The classic George Romero/The Walking Dead type zombie obviously wouldn't be climbing ladders, hell they wouldn't even be running. However the 28 Days/Weeks Later rage infection type(which I believe is more like what we have in DayZ), do climb ladders/use door handles and such.

 

I'm all for making the Zeds as hard to get away from as possible, but if the community reaction to the Zed buffs in the mod is anything to go by, they will remain pretty crappy.

 

Regards.

Edited January 31, 2014 by Romeo Foxtrot

[DK McWormfood 10]

I am a bit worried that the zombles will take up too much server time and this will limit their numbers. I would like to see them be almost indestructible. So you can temporarily disable them or or break parts of their body but not really kill them. That way one or two would be a real problem and the game wouldn't be comprised by massive pointless herds of nerfed undead.

[TEST_SUBJECT_83 465]

Well if there just infected and not zombies I could see them having some small piece of what or who they once were, kinda like some of the "zombies" in The Last of US.

I think it should vary between zombies. Some being farther along in the zombifacation process. 

One Zed may stop at the ladder and forget what it was doing, another could just attack the ladder over and over again, while another smarter type might actually start climbing the ladder.

It may fall off in mid climb forgetting what it was doing half way up, or just stop somewhere on the ladder and stay there for awhile before going back down.

Then on a rare occasion, a Zed might actually reach the top and pursue you when it reaches the top of the ladder.

There are so many way to look at this.

Edited January 31, 2014 by TEST_SUBJECT_83

[dayz1338 14]

how about the worldwar z way of zombies climbing a "wall"

[Mdogg2005 447]

Yeah they should be able to walk upstairs but not climb ladders.

[Wolfguard 3]

Well if there just infected and not zombies I could see them having some small piece of what or who they once were, kinda like some of the "zombies" in The Last of US.

I think it should vary between zombies. Some being farther along in the zombifacation process. 

One Zed may stop at the ladder and forget what it was doing, another could just attack the ladder over and over again, while another smarter type might actually start climbing the ladder.

It may fall off in mid climb forgetting what it was doing half way up, or just stop somewhere on the ladder and stay there for awhile before going back down.

Then on a rare occasion, a Zed might actually reach the top and pursue you when it reaches the top of the ladder.

There are so many way to look at this.

Developers, please listen to this guy!

[Alogos 24]

Well they could put all their names in a hat and the first one out.....

.....but they'd need to find a hat, some paper and a pen first.

hat - found in most houses.

paper - also found all over the place

pen - found anywhere you THINK might be good loot.... nope its a pen.

 

i fail to see why this isnt implemented

Edited January 31, 2014 by Alogos

[Guest]

zombies r dumb, shouldn't be able to interact like: opening doors/gates, climbing ladders, jumping over gaps

[Smokey420 (DayZ) 74]

There have been a lot of suggestions about allowing zombies to climb up stairs and ladders.

While I agree with stairs, I don't think allowing them to climb ladders would be a good idea.

 

Here are some reasons why:

-In a zombie apocalypse, zeds wouldn't have the motor skills or concentration to climb ladders. 

-If a group of zombies comes to a ladder, how is it decided who goes first?

-Imagine being on top of a roof that can only be accessed by a ladder, not stairs. Zombies, upon finding you, swarm around the base of the building. You're practically left to die unless a survivor finds you and saves you. That'd be cool.

 

so, you've been in a zombie apocalypse before?

[TheWeedMan 132]

You guys are forgetting that what we have in DayZ are NOT Zombies....they are Infected.

So to say they are similar to the classically slow, rotting flesh, dumb as shit walking dead type is a misunderstanding.

These are infact as Romeo says above, much closer to the rage virus victims i.e. Infected humans that are still smart enough to figure out how to get to you....and the only thing that should stop them climbing ladders to get to you would be a loud distraction or an easier target to attack.

The ingame infected are not driven by a primal instinct to gorge apon living flesh....they are more interested in attacking anything else uninfected.

So ladder climbing.....of course!

[ZedsDeadBaby 2287]

Not to mention it creates easy to abuse chokepoint that any survivor could handle just by standing on top of the ladder with his fireaxe.

 

As opposed to the "easy abuse" safe zones that are created if zombies can't climb ladders. I would rather a chokepoint than let people avoid any and all danger from zombies just by getting up on a roof.

[Weedz 1105]

Good thing this game doesn't have any zombies only infected people who aren't even undead or else OP would actually have a point.

Edited January 31, 2014 by Weedz

[Methadon36 5]

How about twerking?

[victusmortuus 1074]

Agreed OP.

[DeatHTaX 1217]

...who the hell is suggesting zombies should climb ladders?

[Proper Gander 45]

how about the worldwar z way of zombies climbing a "wall"

 

The book or the movie?  I think that Max Brooks is very specific on this point in his books (from which the movie deviated dramatically):

 

“Zombies will try to scale any surface no matter how unfeasable or even impossible. In all but the easiest situations, these attempts have met with failure. Even in the case of ladders, when simple hand-over-hand coordination is required, only one in four zombies will succeed.”

 

― Max Brooks, The Zombie Survival Guide: Complete Protection from the Living Dead

 

Noting, of course, that these aren't classic "zombies" but rather "infected" living.

Edited January 31, 2014 by Proper Gander

[louist 163]

so, you've been in a zombie apocalypse before?

I've survived 5 myself.

Wait, no. 5. The 3rd one was just an old folk's home.

[janol 65]

-Imagine being on top of a roof that can only be accessed by a ladder, not stairs. Zombies, upon finding you, swarm around the base of the building. You're practically left to die unless a survivor finds you and saves you. That'd be cool.

 

What a twisted notion of cool. Anyways, I've never quite liked zeds doing all the ladder climbing, and I am even bit uneasy about them opening doors (bashing them down, ok, but not opening).

 

Surely one is allowed to be bit more creative than just thinking there are two types of zombies, "Romeroan" and "28 day-ish" ... Reasoned mix could be cool for Dayz.

[brosto 9]

What a twisted notion of cool. 

don't act like it wouldn't be cool

[comikz 218]

As it's been discussed in length already, but I will post my thoughts on what I think needs to be done/changed about our current zombie/infected.

 

1. More of them, especially in high traffic areas such as Elektro/Cherno/Belota/NWAF/NEAF and smaller places like Berezino, ect. (Basically the good loot spawn areas in Chernarus.)

2. I would like them to be able to use stairs, but not ladders, allowing players some means of escape/safety besides going full-rambo and mowing them down with firearms or swinging like crazy with your fireaxe.

 

I believe that the zombie's/infected's aggro range is good as is, but this goes without saying, fixing the current ability of phasing through floors/doors/walls would be great, lol...

 

But and not to sound/appear as one of those people who throw out the "ALPHA" excuse for things, but all we can do is wait for now, and give our feedback/suggestions as we go, so that they can see it, and take from it what they will.