World War 2 Weapons Thread (Poll)

[King of kong 1117]

Nagant M1895 Revolver



The Nagant M1895 Revolver is a seven-shot, gas-seal revolver designed and produced by Belgian industrialist Léon Nagant for the Russian Empire. The Nagant M1895 was chambered for a proprietary cartridge, 7.62x38R, and featured an unusual "gas-seal" system, in which the cylinder moved forward when the gun was cocked, to close the gap between the cylinder and the barrel, providing a boost to the muzzle velocity of the fired projectile and allowing the weapon to be suppressed (an unusual ability for a revolver).^[3] Other Nagant revolver designs were also adopted by police and military services of Sweden (7.5 mm M1887), Norway (M1893), Poland, andGreece (Περίστροφον M1895). These revolvers were largely similar to the Russian Nagant M1895, but lacked the gas seal mechanism.

 

Gewehr 41



The Gewehr 41 rifles, commonly known as the G41(W) or G41(M), were semi-automatic rifles used by Nazi Germany during World War II. By 1940 the Wehrmacht issued a specification to various manufacturers, and Mauser and Walther submitted prototypes that were very similar. Both Gewehr 41 models used a mechanism known as the "Bang" system (named after the designer of the M1922 Bang rifle). In this system, gases from the bullet were trapped near the muzzle in a ring-shaped cone, which in turn pulled on a long piston rod that opened the breech and re-loaded the gun. Both models also included inbuilt 10-round magazines that were loaded using two of the stripper clips from the Karabiner 98k, utilizing 7.92×57mm Mauserrounds. This in turn made reloading relatively slow. The Mauser design, the G41(M), failed as it, along with its G41(W) counterpart, suffered from gas system fouling problems. Only 6,673 G41(M) rifles were produced before production was halted, and of these, 1,673 were returned as unusable.

Karabiner 98



The Karabiner 98k "Mauser" (often abbreviated "K98k" or "Kar98k"), adopted in the mid- 1930s, became the most common infantry rifle in service in the German Army during World War II. The design was developed from the Karabiner 98b, one of the carbines developed from the Model 1898. The K98k was first adopted by the Wehrmacht in 1935 as their standard issue rifle, with many older versions being converted and shortened.

Model 1896


On 3 November 1893, the United Kingdoms of Sweden and Norway adopted the 6.5×55 mm cartridge. As a result, the Swedes chambered their new service weapons, the m/94 carbine and m/96 rifle, in this round. The rifle action was manufactured relatively unchanged from 1896 to 1944, and the m/94 Carbine, m/96 Rifle, m/38 Short Rifle, and m/41 Sharpshooter models are known by collectors as "Swedish Mausers". They are still sought after by military service rifle shooters and hunters. Initial production of the weapons was in Germany by Waffenfabrik Mauser, with the remainder being manufactured under license by Sweden's state-operated Bofors Carl Gustaf factory. The m/38 short rifle was produced by Husqvarna; additional m/38s were converted from Model 96 rifles.

"Swedish Steel" is a term for the steel used by the German Mauser, and later by Swedish manufacturing facilities, to make the m/96 rifles. Swedish iron ore contains the proper percentages of trace elements to make good alloy steel. Thus, though lacking the industrial base necessary for mass-producing steel and iron, the Swedish steel industry developed a niche market for specialty high-strength steel alloys containing nickel, copper, and vanadium. Swedish steels were noted for their strength and corrosion resistance and were especially suited for use in toolmaking, cutlery, and firearms. When Mauser was contracted to fabricate the initial production runs of Swedish Mausers in Germany due to production delays, Sweden required the use of Swedish steel in the manufacturing process. The Swedish Ordnance Office continued to specify the same Swedish steel alloy in Swedish-made Mausers until the last new-production m/38 barrelled actions were completed in 1944.

1895 DWM Argentine Mauser 7x57 mm


The Spanish Model M1893 is commonly referred to as the "Spanish Mauser", though the model was adopted by other countries in other calibers, most notably the Ottoman Empire. The M93 introduced a short staggered-column box magazine as standard, holding five smokeless 7×57mm Mauser rounds flush with the bottom of the rifle, which could be reloaded quickly by pushing a strip of rounds from the top of the open bolt. It still had only two locking lugs.

The new 7×57mm round, which used a 173 gr (11.2 g) full metal jacket bullet developing 700 m/s (2,300 ft/s) from a 29 inches (74 cm) barrel, became the standard infantry arm for the Spanish armed forces, as well as for the military of several Latin-American nations. It is known as the "7mm Mauser".

During the 1899 Battle of Paye, U.S. Army Major-General Henry Ware Lawton known for leading the expedition that captured Geronimo, was in the midst of the fighting. A team of elite Filipino sharpshooters known as the "Tiradores de la Muerte" ("Marksmen of Death") using Spanish M93 rifles set up position 300 yards (270 m) away, ironically under the command of a general named Licerio Gerónimo. Having shrugged off cautionary warnings from his officers, Lawton walked up and down the line, rallying his men. Marcelo Bonifacio a Filipino sharpshooter shot Lawton and killed him instantly. He was the highest ranking American officer to fall in battle in either the Spanish-American or Philippine-American wars.
The 1893 Mauser was also used by the Spanish Army in the Philippines against the Philippine Revolutionary Army and U.S. forces.The main weapon of the new Filipino army was theSpanish M93, also the standard infantry arm of the Spanish, and the Remington Spanish rifle.^[14]The 1893 Mauser was used by the Spanish Army in Cuba against U.S. and Cuban insurrectionist forces. It gained a deadly reputation particularly from the legendary Battle of San Juan Hill(1898), where only 750 Spanish regulars significantly delayed (but not halted) the advance of 15,000 U.S. troops armed with a mix of outclassed .30-40 Krag-Jørgensen bolt-action rifles and older single-shot, breech-loading Trapdoor Springfield rifles, inflicting 1,400 U.S. casualties in a matter of minutes. The Mauser's 7mm cartridge gave some 300 ft/s (91 m/s) higher velocity and a resultant flatter trajectory over the .30 Army cartridge used in the U.S. Krag-Jørgensen rifle. This extended the effective range of Spanish defensive fire. The use of smokeless powder gave the Spanish a major advantage over the single-shot, black powder Springfield that was issued to many U.S. troops.^[13] The M93's stripper clip system allowed the Spaniards to reload far more quickly than could be done with the Krag, whose magazine had to be loaded one round at a time.^[13] A U.S. Army board of investigation was commissioned as a direct result of this battle. They recommended replacement of the Krag. By 1903, U.S. authorities had adopted the M1903 Springfield, which copied the 1898 Mauser's bolt and magazine systems, along with a higher-velocity .30 caliber cartridge, the .30-03 (later the more potent .30-06 Springfield).

 

Models 1889/90/91 and Experimental Model 92



After the Mauser brothers finished work on the Model 71/84 in 1880, the design team set out to create a small caliber repeater that used smokeless powder. Because of setbacks brought on by Wilhelm Mauser's death, they failed to have the design completed by 1882, and the German Rifle Test Commission (Gewehr-Prüfungskommission) was formed. The commission preferred to create their own design. Paul Mauser created two different variations of the same rifle, one with a stock strengthened with a barrel shroud and a traditional design following the layout of the 71 series in hope he might be able to overturn the commission's decision, or at least sell his design to the Kingdom of Bavaria, which adopted its own arms. The two rifles became known as the 89 Belgian (with a barrel shroud) and the 91 Argentine (with a 71 layout) Mausers, identical in their function and feed system. The main features were the ability to use stripper clips to feed the magazine (a revolution in rate of fire), and its rimless cartridge (7.65 Argentine), advanced for the time.

The system proved impressive at the 1884 Bavarian Arms Trials. Both firearms were a success, but decision-makers were not convinced that the stripper feed was superior to the en-block system employed by Mannlicher. In response, Mauser started small-scale production of the design in an effort to interest foreign nations, but failed to convince any of the European major powers.

The Belgian attache, however, urged his government to contact Mauser, hoping the design might give them a chance to found a domestic arms industry. The heavy-barreled Mauser with the barrel shroud resulted in the founding of arms manufacturer FN Herstal. FN could not keep up with orders, so they outsourced production to the Birmingham Small Arms Company in England.

The Belgians' talks with Mauser prompted the Ottoman Empire to consider the design. In the end they ordered their own simpler variation of the 91 Argentine Mauser known as the 90 Turkish. While this was taking place, the Argentine Small Arms Commission contacted Mauser in 1886 to replace their Model 71s; since they wished to keep retraining of their armed forces to a minimum, they went for the Mauser 91. As with other early Mausers, most such arms were made by theLudwig Loewe company, who in 1896 joined with other manufactures to form Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken.

All variations used the same 7.65 mm round-nosed cartridge. Many parts were interchangeable, with the exception of the bayonets of the 89 and 90/91; the barrel shroud made the bayonet ring too wide. The 89 Mauser rejected by Germany in 1884 entered service in 1940 with the second-line units of Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands, and Belgium.

A non-rotating Mauser claw extractor was introduced in the Model 92. Several variations of this model participated in rifle trials for the U.S. Army of that year; the Norwegian Krag-Jørgensen rifle was ultimately chosen.

SVT Series



The SVT-40 is a Soviet semi-automatic battle rifle which saw widespread service during and after World War II. It was intended to be the new service rifle of the Soviet Red Army but the introduction of the SVT-40 was disrupted by the German invasion in 1941, resulting in a switch back to the older Mosin-Nagant bolt-action rifle for the duration. After the war, new rifles, the SKS and the AK-47, were adopted as Soviet service rifles instead. The abbreviation SVT-40 means Samozaryadnaya Vintovka Tokareva, Obrazets 1940 goda ("Tokarev Self-loading Rifle, Model of 1940", Russian: Самозарядная винтовка Токарева, образец 1940 года).

SVT 38




The design of the rifle originated in the early 1930s when Fedor Tokarev gave up his attempts to design a recoil-operated self-loading rifle, and concentrated on the gas operating principle. Stalin had a great interest in semi-automatic infantry rifles, and in 1935 a design competition was held. The winning rifle was designed by Sergei Gavrilovich Simonov, and was accepted into service the next year as the AVS-36. However, problems with the AVS quickly became apparent, and another competition was held, to which both Tokarev and Simonov submitted their improved designs. This time, Tokarev's rifle was chosen. It was accepted for production under the designation SVT-38, with hopes that it would become the new standard issue rifle of the Red Army. Ambitious production plans were made: production was anticipated to be two million rifles per year by 1942. Production began at Tula Arsenal in July 1939 (production at Izhmash began in late 1939).^[5]

The SVT-38 is a gas-operated weapon with a short-stroke, spring-loaded piston above the barrel and a tilting bolt.^[1] Thus it became one of the pioneers of this configuration, which eventually became widely used. There is some dispute about who exactly first developed this operating principle, as the SVT's mechanism (as implemented in 1935 competition prototype) closely resembles Dieudonné Saive's design of 1937; Saive eventually designed the FN FAL, which employs the same operating principle as the SVT.

Soviet small arms were usually of simple and robust construction, designed for use by poorly educated and sometimes poorly equipped soldiers. The SVT-38, in contrast, had been designed with weight savings in mind, including its wood stock, receiver, and action. It is gas-operated action, featuring a not readily accessed gas-cylinder cup. It was complex by Soviet standards, and was ill-suited to handling the detrimental effects of firing corrosively-primed ammunition without frequent cleaning.^[1]

The SVT-38 was equipped with a bayonet and a 10-round detachable magazine. The receiver was open-top, which enabled reloading of the magazine using five roundMosin–Nagant stripper clips. Fairly advanced features for the time were the adjustable gas system, muzzle brake, and telescopic sight rails milled into the receiver. The sniper variant had an additional locking notch for a see-through scope mount and was equipped with a 3.5X PU telescopic sight. This instrument was slightly shorter than the otherwise similar PU scope used on the Mosin–Nagant M1891/30 sniper rifle.

AVS 36



The AVS-36 (from Avtomaticheskaya Vintovka Simonova 1936 model; Russian: Автоматическая винтовка Симонова образца 1936 года) was a Soviet automatic rifle which saw service in the early years of World War II. It was among the early selective fire infantry rifles (capable of both single and full-automatic fire) formally adopted for military service.

The designer, Sergei Simonov, began his work with a gas-operated self-loading rifle in 1930. The first prototype was ready in 1931 and appeared promising, and three years later a trial batch of an improved design was made. In 1935, a competition between Simonov's design and a rifle made by Fedor Tokarev was held. The Simonov rifle emerged as a winner and was accepted into service as the AVS-36. The AVS-36 was a gas-operated rifle with a short piston stroke and vertical sliding locking block. It was capable of both automatic and semi-automatic fire. The barrel was equipped with a large muzzle brake to reduce recoil. Ammunition was in a detachablemagazine holding 15 rounds. A knife bayonet was issued with the rifle. A sniper version was produced in small amounts with a PE scope. The AVS-36 was first seen in public in the 1938 May Day parade in Moscow, when it was displayed by the marching 1st Rifle Division. The American public became aware when it was covered in an August 1942 issue of the American Infantry Journal, in an article by John Garrett Underhill, Jr.^[2]

Once in service, it quickly became apparent that the AVS was not a satisfactory design; the operating mechanism was overly complicated, and the problem was made worse by the rifle's construction which let dirt get inside the weapon. The rifle was also particular about ammunition quality. The muzzle brake design proved to be a failure — the rifle was nearly uncontrollable in automatic fire. Some of the problems were traced to the magazine, which was deemed too long. Production of the AVS-36 was terminated in 1938,^{[citation needed]} and a new design competition was held to which Simonov and Tokarev submitted their improved designs.

In 1938 Tokarev's SVT-38 was also adopted for service. In 1939 a politicized dispute erupted within the Soviet elite as to which design, that of Simonov or that of Tokarev, should prevail. Simonov's rifle was lighter and contained fewer parts, while Tokarev's rifle was considered sturdier, although this mainly due to firing pin breakages on Simonov's rifle. Both guns had their supporters and detractors among the Politburo. Stalin ultimately sided with Tokarev, with whom he had a good personal relationship. By a decision of the Defense Committee dated 17 July 1939, mass production was to concentrate on the SVT-38.

The rifle first saw service in the Battle of Halhin Gol, and later in the Winter War, but did not perform well. Some of the problems were caused by incorrect maintenance; many rifles went into combat without having been cleaned of their storage grease, which then "froze" solid.^{[citation needed]} About 300 AVS-36 exemplars were captured by the Finns;^[4] some were used by their new owners.^[5] The SVT-38s and LS-26s used on the Finnish side suffered from similar problems. After a large amount of the more serviceable SVTs were captured, the AVS-36s were largely withdrawn from service.^{[citation needed]} In the Soviet Union, the AVS was quickly marginalized and apparently withdrawn from service during 1941, though it saw brief service during World War II. Some reports claim that remaining AVSs were mostly scrapped. Today, the AVS-36 is a rare collector's item; most of the remaining rifles in existence are in Finland.Official Soviet production breakdown figures are: 106 made in 1934, 286 in 1935, 10,280 made in 1937, 24,401 in 1938, with an estimated total of 65,800 AVS-36s manufactured until production stopped in 1940 (exact production figures for some years, like 1936 or 1939, is not reported).^[2]

Simonov would later design an anti-tank rifle, the PTRS-41, and the SKS carbine, which employed simpler tilting bolt operation.

PPSh-41



The PPSh-41 (Pistolet-Pulemyot Shpagina; Russian: Пистолет-пулемёт Шпагина; "Shpagin machine pistol"); is a Soviet submachine gun designed by Georgi Shpaginas an inexpensive, simplified alternative to the PPD-40. Common nicknames are Pe-Pe-Sha from its three-letter prefix and Papasha (Russian: папаша), meaning daddy.

The PPSh was a magazine-fed selective fire submachine gun using an open-bolt, blowback action. Made largely of stamped steel, it could be loaded with either a box or drum magazine, and fired the 7.62×25mm Tokarev pistol round.

The PPSh saw extensive combat use during World War II and the Korean War. It was one of the major infantry weapons of the Soviet armed forces during World War II. The total number of PPShs manufactured during World War II is estimated to be more than 6 million. In the form of the Chinese Type 50 (a licensed copy), it was still in use in Vietnam with the Viet Cong as late as 1970. According to the 2002 edition of The Encyclopedia of Weapons of World War II the PPSh was still in use with irregular military forces.^[7]

Lend Lease M1911



The M1911 is a single-action, semi-automatic, magazine-fed, recoil-operated pistol chambered for the .45 ACP cartridge,^[1] which served as the standard-issue sidearmfor the United States Armed Forces from 1911 to 1985. It was first used in later stages of the Philippine-American War, and was widely used in World War I, World War II, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War. The M1911 is still carried by some U.S. forces. Its formal designation as of 1940 was Automatic Pistol, Caliber .45, M1911for the original Model of 1911 or Automatic Pistol, Caliber .45, M1911A1 for the M1911A1, adopted in 1924. The designation changed to Pistol, Caliber .45, Automatic, M1911A1 in the Vietnam era.^[1] In total, the United States procured around 2.7 million M1911 and M1911A1 pistols in military contracts during its service life. The M1911 was replaced by the 9mm Beretta M9 pistol as the standard U.S. sidearm in the early 1990s, but due to its popularity among users, it has not been completely phased out. Modernized derivative variants of the M1911 are still in use by some units of the U.S. Army Special Forces, the U.S. Navy and U.S. Marine Corps.^[4]

Designed by John Browning, the M1911 is the best-known of his designs to use the short recoil principle in its basic design. The pistol was widely copied, and this operating system rose to become the preeminent type of the 20th century and of nearly all modern centerfire pistols. It is popular with civilian shooters in competitive events such as USPSA, IDPA, International Practical Shooting Confederation, and Bullseye shooting. Compact variants are popular civilian concealed carry weapons, because of the design's inherent slim width and the power of the .45 ACP cartridge.<sup>[5]

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Edited January 22, 2014 by King of kong

[triage 117]

ALL OF THEM

 

*deserved caps*

[King of kong 1117]

Forgive the small text it's copy pasted

[thedogfoodyayho 295]

Also, if you voye for the Nagant, vote here to!

 

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/166647-nagant-m1895-poll/

[Ymath 30]

No SKS?

[Vector636 30]

SKS is already in, just not in the current build.

https://twitter.com/ctorchia/status/425731511661248513

Edited January 22, 2014 by Vector636

[King of kong 1117]

Fuck that shit I want AK

[thedogfoodyayho 295]

Ak-74M also confirmed

[Vector636 30]

Yeah they modeled the AK b4 the M4 I believe its in most of the early standalone videos, I don't know why its not in yet maybe spawn issues or something else.

[Awruk 216]

AK74M coming soon but not AK47. So dissapoint.

[Vector636 30]

AK74M coming soon but not AK47. So dissapoint.

In time they will prob add the 47 and maybe the 12. Actually I am surprised I have not seen the AK-12 or the AN-94 when I searched for them. Also not a gun but what about a NR-40 a WW2 russian combat knife. http://www.tactical-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/_mg_5572.gif

Edited January 22, 2014 by Vector636

[rabb1t 13]

In time they will prob add the 47 and maybe the 12. Actually I am surprised I have not seen the AK-12 or the AN-94 when I searched for them. Also not a gun but what about a NR-40 a WW2 russian combat knife. http://www.tactical-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/_mg_5572.gif

This isn't Call of Duty.  Why would the developers want to add experimental rifles that are in very limited numbers even today?  

[Vector636 30]

One did I say that they would be common, and two do you know when this game takes place. Its perfectly reasonable to think that certain soldiers might have the rifle(Wasn't there a war between US and Russia,that's the back story isn't it) The Ak-12 is still in prototype but the AN-94 has seen limited service so you cant say it is not out there, and like I said before do you know when this game takes place. Don't bring CoD into this because I sure as hell didn't bring it up.

[rabb1t 13]

One did I say that they would be common, and two do you know when this game takes place. Its perfectly reasonable to think that certain soldiers might have the rifle(Wasn't there a war between US and Russia,that's the back story isn't it) The Ak-12 is still in prototype but the AN-94 has seen limited service so you cant say it is not out there, and like I said before do you know when this game takes place. Don't bring CoD into this because I sure as hell didn't bring it up.

You seem upset.

It makes zero sense to have either rifle in the game at all.  The game takes place in some fictional Czech area.  I brought up Cawadooty because they are the kind of game to add weapons like this that are barely out of testing let alone in service.  This is DayZ, not some action FPS.  

It's not perfectly reason to think certain soldiers would want the rifle because that's not how the military works.  You think a soldier gets their service weapon during a tour simply based on their own choice?  I could join the Russia Army and ask all day for an AK-12 and I'd get laughed at and handed an AK-74M like everyone else.  

[Vector636 30]

I am just tired of people always bringing up call of duty as a defense for their hate.I didn't mean that soldiers would just ask for the gun I meant that certain units might have them. When I say that they could be in the game I am not saying they should be common or even rare, they should be extremely stupid rare. But still you only said it takes place in a fictional czech area I know that but we still don't know the date so it would be feasible to have one of these in. But certainly not as a common thing like I said, and def much much much later in the development.

[rabb1t 13]

I am just tired of people always bringing up call of duty as a defense for their hate.I didn't mean that soldiers would just ask for the gun I meant that certain units might have them. When I say that they could be in the game I am not saying they should be common or even rare, they should be extremely stupid rare. But still you only said it takes place in a fictional czech area I know that but we still don't know the date so it would be feasible to have one of these in. But certainly not as a common thing like I said, and def much much much later in the development.

It's a stupid idea, a really stupid idea.  Something that everyone seems to realize but you.  Why would the developers waste time catering to people like you who want a rifle that's barely in anyone's hands of people other than armorers?  They have real shit to do like adding the content they've been working on for months.  But yeah, let's have them waste time rendering models and animations and code in their mechanics so Cawadooty lovers can have a futuristic looking gun in DayZ with a 1/1,000,000,000 chance to spawn in loot tables.  

[Vector636 30]

See now you seem angry, you also still haven't answered my question about the fact you have no idea when this game takes place. Because you say it would only be in the hands of armorer but you have absolutely no idea what time frame this game takes place in do you. I also said that it had no place in the current development timeline but much later prob past open release. Why does every person seem to think that when someone suggests something in the suggestion area they think it should be immediately implemented. So how am I a CoD lover for simply stating that its possible for one of these guns to be in the region albeit as a rarity, how does it even look futuristic? are you serious. Maybe if I said I wanted to have a ASH-12 then you could call me a CoD kiddie

[rabb1t 13]

See now you seem angry, you also still haven't answered my question about the fact you have no idea when this game takes place. Because you say it would only be in the hands of armorer but you have absolutely no idea what time frame this game takes place in do you. I also said that it had no place in the current development timeline but much later prob past open release. Why does every person seem to think that when someone suggests something in the suggestion area they think it should be immediately implemented. So how am I a CoD lover for simply stating that its possible for one of these guns to be in the region albeit as a rarity, how does it even look futuristic? are you serious. Maybe if I said I wanted to have a ASH-12 then you could call me a CoD kiddie

What makes you think the game takes place in the future?  Let alone in the future long enough to the point that the AN-94 and AK-12 are even in respectable numbers in service? 

You're sounding like a CoD kiddie because you're suggesting experimental rifles still in testing to be added to a game that's centered on realism.  It makes zero sense to find an AK-12 after society collapses in the police station of some Czech town that looks like it was taken straight from 1983.  

[Chaingunfighter 917]

What makes you think the game takes place in the future?  Let alone in the future long enough to the point that the AN-94 and AK-12 are even in respectable numbers in service? 

You're sounding like a CoD kiddie because you're suggesting experimental rifles still in testing to be added to a game that's centered on realism.  It makes zero sense to find an AK-12 after society collapses in the police station of some Czech town that looks like it was taken straight from 1983.  

Well an FNX-45, Colt Python and to some extent an M4A1 aren't realistic either. The M4A1 is common enough to justify but what Chernarussian is going to own a $3,000 out-of-production American .357 magnum, or a .45 ACP gun that's only been around for two years and has hardly had enough time to even export to the US?

I'm not saying I advocate for adding 'fps' guns, but to argue that they shouldn't be in because there aren't enough around is poor, unless you do want them to get rid of the FNX and python.

And how about all of this Magpul and CQB gear for the M4?

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And on the WW2 guns, all of them shown except the experimental guns and the Gewehr 41. The Gewehr is usually only shown in movies/games because the Germans didn't really use semi-automatic rifles all that much whereas the Americans had the M1 Garand and the Soviets had the SVT-40 (Which still wasn't very common but saw reasonable use) and thus they would need one for balance or whatnot. 

The Nagant M1895, KAR-98K, Mauser M1898, PPSh-41, SVT-40, M1911 and TT-33 are weapons I actually want a lot, but the rest are up to the devs. Technically you could include the RPD on their since it did see some WW2 service, and I definitely want the RPD in game.

Edited January 23, 2014 by Chaingunfighter

[Vector636 30]

What makes you think the game takes place in the future?  Let alone in the future long enough to the point that the AN-94 and AK-12 are even in respectable numbers in service? 

You're sounding like a CoD kiddie because you're suggesting experimental rifles still in testing to be added to a game that's centered on realism.  It makes zero sense to find an AK-12 after society collapses in the police station of some Czech town that looks like it was taken straight from 1983.  

lol So now your are saying I think the AK-12 could be found in a police station, even though I already said it would have to be extremely rare. On the time subject I was simply saying it could be past our current date(it could be 2015,2016,17,18 we don't know) that dose not make it futuristic. There was supposed to be a war before the outbreak, so I was thinking it would be possible that you could find a crashed military heli with some dead spec ops soldiers. I made it quite clear I did not believe that it would be used by the common soldiers.

[rabb1t 13]

You really just aren't getting it.

It makes zero sense for it to be in the game.  Zero.  

And it also doesn't make sense to bring up the weapons in the mod because the mod had to use what was available, not making them from scratch.  It's why stuff like the No.4 Mk.1 and SA80 is in the mod but not the standalone.  The AK-12 and AN-94 have zero place in the game.  They are experimental weapons, with the AK-12 not even being in any active service and has no plans to be introduced for quite some time.  If this game was some 60 years in the future, then perhaps it would, but not now.  The AN-94 is a completely different story seeing how basically no one is issued it, even in the Russian armed forces.  The overwhelming vast majority of the military uses the AK-74M with many units still using the AKM, including the Spetsnaz.  It would make more sense to include things like the VSS and GsH-18 than it ever would the AN-94 let alone the AK-12.  I'm dumbfounded that anyone would think the AK-12 being in DayZ is a good idea.  

The AK-12 being in the Czech Republic after the apocalypse makes as much sense as finding an OICW in New Jersey if the game took place there instead.  Unless they plan on suddenly adding an experimental weapons lab in DayZ, then it makes no sense to include it considering the entire area looks like it's from the 1980s.  

Edited January 23, 2014 by GruntyAssassin

[AP_Norris 1017]

In time they will prob add the 47 and maybe the 12. Actually I am surprised I have not seen the AK-12 or the AN-94 when I searched for them. Also not a gun but what about a NR-40 a WW2 russian combat knife. http://www.tactical-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/_mg_5572.gif

AK 12 isn't cool & old or fit the lore :(

[thedogfoodyayho 295]

You seem upset.

It makes zero sense to have either rifle in the game at all.  The game takes place in some fictional Czech area.  I brought up Cawadooty because they are the kind of game to add weapons like this that are barely out of testing let alone in service.  This is DayZ, not some action FPS.  

It's not perfectly reason to think certain soldiers would want the rifle because that's not how the military works.  You think a soldier gets their service weapon during a tour simply based on their own choice?  I could join the Russia Army and ask all day for an AK-12 and I'd get laughed at and handed an AK-74M like everyone else.  

This game takes place on Russia's border, near Takistan (Another bohemian-made country) and is nowhere near the Czech Republic.

The apocalypse happened in 2016 or 17, becuase there are experation dates on cereal boxes.

 

But seeing as the russian army has decided against the Ak-12, and i don't see Chernarus being rich enough to buy them, it makes no sense.

Then again, neither does 3/5 of the guns ingame.

[thedogfoodyayho 295]

And another thing. The conflict in Chernarus took place in 2009. Most of the fighting was between the Loyalist CDF (Chernarus Defence Force) backed by US Special forces (No regular formations were ever on the mainland, if i remember right) Vs the CDh-something insurgents. Later in the campaign the Russian army intervened (Idr why) and thet were equipped with AK-107s, PkPs, and Aks-74us, along with Makarovs.

 

CDF And Insurgent weapons were usaully similar. Ak-74s, AKMs, PKMs, SVDs, Rpgs, AK-74s fitted with PSO optics, ect.

 

Us Force Recon weapons were mainly highly custcomizee M4s with suppressors, Holographic sights, CCO sights, M203s, ect, and M21 DMRs.

 

Just to clarify

[razgriz93@gmail.com 228]

Kar98 and Gewher41 have no place in DayZ, but I voted for them because I'm a wehraboo.