BattlEye Bans?

[BelMarduk 169]

Last year I fired up DayZ MOD and was greeted with a global ban. Took about 4 days of emailing BE, but had my game back. I was flagged with a false positive or whatever. They wouldn't go into specifics, but if I remember right, (or more to the point, the only thing I could think, it was something from me crashing a heli, and the code it sent, it was very odd the game crash after the heli crash, anyhow...) I have much faith in Battle Eye after that experience. Yah it sucked while I was in the 'holding cell' for them 4 days, but really if you're not actually partaking in shenanigans, they will exonerate you.

[floj 393]

Just seems a bit nonsensical to download and run another, possibly unverified program to lower cpu usage :/ 

 

Delete/disable all the crappy programs that are running in the background in the first place (and if you bought a PC premade from a shop there's probably a ton of crap you don't want running on startup so I'd format the drives and start from scratch). Make sure you actually read all those little texts asking you to tick/untick boxes when you download new (verified) software because more often than not they'll be trying to get you to add some piece of shit spyware at the same time (especially if it's free software in the first place).

 

If explorer.exe is impacting on your cpu while gaming then I think you have some issues beyond a few fps in a game.

[Firstbornchicken 34]

 

If explorer.exe is impacting on your cpu while gaming then I think you have some issues beyond a few fps in a game.

 

Old computers can be helped a lot by FPS boosting, and people with older computers are often the people not able to manually gain the effect.

 

There is really no two ways about it, FPS boosting software is a legit form of software. sometimes it is even packaged with the drivers for the GPU

Edited January 13, 2014 by Firstbornchicken

[byrgesen 1341]

FPS Boost is a real thing - What it does is manage background applications to make a selected program use more memory while turning others such as explorer.exe to a lower usage.

 

Old computers can be helped a lot by FPS boosting, and people with older computers are often the people not able to manually gain the effect.

 

There is really no two ways about it, FPS boosting software is a legit form of software. sometimes it is even packaged with the drivers for the GPU

 

 

Yes, BUT only download from trusted sources....................

A youtube video is not a trusted source hehe, but some people needs to learn it the hard way i guess.

Edited January 13, 2014 by Byrgesen

[SAXX0N 28]

I think it's funny how it is hardly ever the poster that has this problem. It is always a friend, uncle, cousin or their neighbor.

 

lulz

[floj 393]

http://www.howtogeek.com/171734/benchmarked-will-a-game-booster-improve-your-pc-gaming-performance/

 

Not really effective. And like I said, they just do stuff that you can do manually yourself - disable background processes. Old computers tend to have more shit running because of bad user habits.

[Firstbornchicken 34]

 

 

 

 

Yes, BUT only download from trusted sources....................

A youtube video is not a trusted source hehe, but some people needs to learn it the hard way i guess.

 

 

I am just saying, that the assumption that the FPS booster was at fault for being unlegit, is just that, an assumption.. It could very well be that FPS boosters are counted as cheats by the game (They once was by Warden fyi)

 

So the question is still, at least to some extent, how safe are actually legit FPS boosters when it comes to BattleEye?

[ratiasu@hotmail.co.jp 122]

Buy a new PC (800 euros for a decent one). No money? Then you shouldn't be playing games in the first place.

Edited January 13, 2014 by Ratiasu

[Firstbornchicken 34]

Buy a new PC (800 euros for a decent one). No money? Then you shouldn't be playing games in the first place.

 

You really cant be that daft. can you?

[floj 393]

You really cant be that daft. can you?

I know...it's a PC, why not just buy a new CPU for 200 euros or so

[mercules 1290]

I am just saying, that the assumption that the FPS booster was at fault for being unlegit, is just that, an assumption.. It could very well be that FPS boosters are counted as cheats by the game (They once was by Warden fyi)

 

So the question is still, at least to some extent, how safe are actually legit FPS boosters when it comes to BattleEye?

 

The real question is, "Why risk it?" when you can... as was pointed out... manually do everything a "legit" FPS-booster would do. 

[Firstbornchicken 34]

I know...it's a PC, why not just buy a new CPU for 200 euros or so

 

 

Lets all just remember that it is ALPHA. People might need help getting settings that allow this ALPHA to play properly right here and now, but knowing the game being optimized later makes investing in new hardware, a tard, drastic? stupid? lacking in respect for money perhaps ?

 

 

The real question is, "Why risk it?" when you can... as was pointed out... manually do everything a "legit" FPS-booster would do. 

 

Not everyone that plays games understand such mechanics / settings.. i have had to help most my friends optimize their gear, and i would rather that some, "one click install" download could save me the trouble.

Edited January 13, 2014 by Firstbornchicken

[BelMarduk 169]

But this is where the steam security comes in play, because if it is "this simple" steam would be out of business lol.

So no, it isnt really that simple, if it was nobody would use steam by now, coz it would be a giant problem :)

 

And to clarify, BE doesnt not read your memory, it reads your current running processes (much like Warden in WOW) to see if you are running illegal 3rd party software :)

And then its scanning your client constantly, to make sure you dont do something you arent allowed to do.

We can compare this to Warden in WOW, sure it was possible to cheat and to bot alot in WOW, but the reason it was so damn easy was because the software you were using was "masked" from Warden, so it never saw it running in the first place.

This is where the "cat after mouse"-playtime starts. Warden found a way to see the software running, mass ban rolled out, software got updated to mask it self better, warden didnt see it again.

BE works in a very similar way, when it comes to checking running processes, but it also check every single thing you are doing in game, and i mean EVERYTHING.

So basicly, if you are doing something BE is configured to "not-allow" boom, you get a kick and it gets reported to the logs.

Could be an error in the BE filters or could be a serious security issue, you cannot find out until you start reading the logs and understand what people did :)

As I have not decompiled the BE client (and I would imagine neither have you), exactly what and how BE does its thing, is pure speculation. I would however (making an informed speculation) make the assumption that ONE of the ways BE works is both examining running processes (which in and of itself is one thing) along with monitoring threads to key memory addresses. simply (or only) examining running process would be a very silly in and of itself.

You get this cheat/hack called leetgamehack.exe. BE looks for that process. Change name of leetgamehack.exe to skype.exe and you would foil BE. So NO, its not a simple matter of scanning for running processes. 

There are a number of things BE does as an 'anti cheat'. Scanning processes? YES. Scanning memory? YES, Scanning client/server communications? YES. Other things I am not listing here? Absolutely.

Are there thigs BE will flag and ban for that are NOT cheats? you betcha. Will the fine folks at BE review a BE bad and over turn if it is false? Im living proof they will.

TL;DR? If you get banned and were cheating, you will stay banned. If you are banned from a false flag, you will get your account back. If you were an idiot and allowed someone to cheat you, well you're screwed... and screwed you should be. Don't be an idiot.

[floj 393]

Lets all just remember that it is ALPHA. People might need help getting settings that allow this ALPHA to play properly right here and now, but knowing the game being optimized later makes investing in new hardware, a tard, drastic? stupid? lacking in respect for money perhaps ?

It was a flippant response to the guy suggesting a brand new PC for what seems to be a CPU bottleneck :P

 

But yeah it's gonna be a 2015 game, sure you could trudge along on a 2005 PC, or a minor upgrade could give you a whole new lease of life.

 

That said, this thread is more about people not knowing how to disable a ton of crap that begins on startup and overloads your current processing when gaming: formatting HD and reinstalling on a clear slate or just msconfig.exe ftw...NOT installing runmagamefast.exe as yet another program to help a problem you can solve yourself (which seems to be the issue with the player in question, just downloading more and more shit rather than dealing with the problem correctly)

[SAXX0N 28]

As I have not decompiled the BE client (and I would imagine neither have you), exactly what and how BE does its thing, is pure speculation. I would however (making an informed speculation) make the assumption that ONE of the ways BE works is both examining running processes (which in and of itself is one thing) along with monitoring threads to key memory addresses. simply (or only) examining running process would be a very silly in and of itself.

You get this cheat/hack called leetgamehack.exe. BE looks for that process. Change name of leetgamehack.exe to skype.exe and you would foil BE. So NO, its not a simple matter of scanning for running processes. 

There are a number of things BE does as an 'anti cheat'. Scanning processes? YES. Scanning memory? YES, Scanning client/server communications? YES. Other things I am not listing here? Absolutely.

Are there thigs BE will flag and ban for that are NOT cheats? you betcha. Will the fine folks at BE review a BE bad and over turn if it is false? Im living proof they will.

TL;DR? If you get banned and were cheating, you will stay banned. If you are banned from a false flag, you will get your account back. If you were an idiot and allowed someone to cheat you, well you're screwed... and screwed you should be. Don't be an idiot.

I love the fact that people have been saying BE is a joke when they are basing their experience with BE from the mod. These people have obviously no idea that the architecture has changed and SA works almost completely differently than the mod not to mention the internal changes and upgrades to BE itself.

 

Gotta love it when BE gives them a swift kick in the balls.

 

edit - Not implying anything about you OP, just the discussion in general.

Edited January 13, 2014 by SAXX0N

[mercules 1290]

 

Lets all just remember that it is ALPHA. People might need help getting settings that allow this ALPHA to play properly right here and now, but knowing the game being optimized later makes investing in new hardware, a tard, drastic? stupid? lacking in respect for money perhaps ?

 

 

 

Not everyone that plays games understand such mechanics / settings.. i have had to help most my friends optimize their gear, and i would rather that some, "one click install" download could save me the trouble.

 

 

Then they should either educate themselves or purchase better equipment. Same thing goes for hiking. If you want to do ultra-light hiking you either educate yourself on how to make inexpensive gear that does what you need it to and tips to help you get more out of the weight you are carrying, or you go to an outdoors store and buy the more expensive ultra-light gear. This is the same in nearly every situation. Learn how to change your own oil for your car or risk a visit to the garage where many other issue might "accidentally" be discovered and you might mistakenly believe you need a transmission fluid flush because someone played on your ignorance. 

 

[Firstbornchicken 34]

which seems to be the issue with the player in question, just downloading more and more shit rather than dealing with the problem correctly)

 

I quite agree. But i just don't see the "just learn it okay thanks" as a proper response. Just explaining people what it is the program is doing that they could do themselves, they always ask, "Why spend time doing a lot of stuff, that this one click does"

 

And to be honest, i am flabbergasted by the question... i can't seem to explain why my complicated way is better than their one click program. Is my nerdish tingering really "THE RIGHT" way to do it?

[BelMarduk 169]

It was a flippant response to the guy suggesting a brand new PC for what seems to be a CPU bottleneck :P

 

But yeah it's gonna be a 2015 game, sure you could trudge along on a 2005 PC, or a minor upgrade could give you a whole new lease of life.

 

That said, this thread is more about people not knowing how to disable a ton of crap that begins on startup and overloads your current processing when gaming: formatting HD and reinstalling on a clear slate or just msconfig.exe ftw...NOT installing runmagamefast.exe as yet another program to help a problem you can solve yourself (which seems to be the issue with the player in question, just downloading more and more shit rather than dealing with the problem correctly)

Reading your post made me chuckle. Not really at you, just the implications behind the post. A new computer costs however many hundreds of dollars/euros whatever.

The mantra "I don't know anything about computers to be able to optimize my rig', followed up with "I can't afford a new computer, or even single parts'... Well lazy Lindas, I am here to tell you ALL the information you would get in a Masters level computer technology course is available FOR FREE all over the interwebs.

"I don't know what I am doing", "I don't know how to...." simply are NOT valid excuses. They are simply cop-outs to LAZINESS. Giving OP's cousin's friends neighbors uncle the benefit of the doubt, he should still be punished simply for this LAZINESS.

[floj 393]

Reading your post made me chuckle. Not really at you, just the implications behind the post. A new computer costs however many hundreds of dollars/euros whatever.

The mantra "I don't know anything about computers to be able to optimize my rig', followed up with "I can't afford a new computer, or even single parts'... Well lazy Lindas, I am here to tell you ALL the information you would get in a Masters level computer technology course is available FOR FREE all over the interwebs.

"I don't know what I am doing", "I don't know how to...." simply are NOT valid excuses. They are simply cop-outs to LAZINESS. Giving OP's cousin's friends neighbors uncle the benefit of the doubt, he should still be punished simply for this LAZINESS.

I have the best of both worlds atm, running a new rig and I learned how to optimise my imac running windows through bootcamp for gaming for the 8 years before that - So yeah, although my specs are shiny in my sig, I was running games til last year on essentially a badly specced 2005 laptop :D

 

NB: Drill holes in the case if you want to OC the video cards in imacs...they get toasty

Edited January 13, 2014 by phlOgistOn

[Firstbornchicken 34]

@Belmarduk

 

One of the worst feelings when doing PC support is getting your hands on a computer where some Google hero has been messing around.

 

Some people can easily get the "feeling" needed to work with software, some people can't. Just like i could spend hours upon hours of teaching people how to repair a car, yet they will never ever get it.

 

It is not reasonable to expect everyone to be experts in every aspect of every tool in our daily life.

 

This is a perfect example of people not being able to stand besides their own perspective and look at something objectively

[sukka 5]

Once a cheater always a cheater  ;)

[antonioajc 500]

This kind of third party softwares such as this "FPS Booster" could be classified as hacks. Maybe his account was compromised when he installed it and used it?

[byrgesen 1341]

I am just saying, that the assumption that the FPS booster was at fault for being unlegit, is just that, an assumption.. It could very well be that FPS boosters are counted as cheats by the game (They once was by Warden fyi)

 

So the question is still, at least to some extent, how safe are actually legit FPS boosters when it comes to BattleEye?

 

Good point, and thats exactly why people shouldnt do this :)

Go tweak your game files and get rid of all thoose processes you dont want manually, so much safer.

Most of the time theese "FPS enhancers" only give placebo effects anyway. It does not take much know-how to make it work better on your own.

 

@BelMarkduk

No i havent done anything like that, i can only speak from the years of experience ive got with BE, from Arma 2/3 server hosting :)

But you are right, we will see false positives, especially so early in development.

[OrLoK 16185]

@Belmarduk

 

One of the worst feelings when doing PC support is getting your hands on a computer where some Google hero has been messing around.

 

Some people can easily get the "feeling" needed to work with software, some people can't. Just like i could spend hours upon hours of teaching people how to repair a car, yet they will never ever get it.

 

It is not reasonable to expect everyone to be experts in every aspect of every tool in our daily life.

 

This is a perfect example of people not being able to stand besides their own perspective and look at something objectively

Hello there

 

Whilst I agree that not everyone can/will be a computer "expert" it is up to the user to learn the basics an inform themselves of any risks.

 

That said, how many of us can truly say we've never installed some piece of software where we fully knew its heritage?

 

Mistakes do and will happen.

 

Still, as long as one make a modest effort to get informed then most likely one will be ok.

 

Rgds

 

LoK

[Nihilum 209]

yeah, unless they stole both your steam and your email info, there's no way to hack a steam account.


Theoretically possible if your friend was dumb enough to DL a random .exe but then it's his fault for lacking the brain power to deduce or look into things.


I myself had my arma II OA key stolen downloading custom skins with an installer and made a huge stink about it, but was told the same -- hence the big ol' warning in the mod section about DLing unauthorized programs as most were in fact key loggers collecting keys to turn around and sell on the same or similar sites.

Edited January 13, 2014 by Nihilum