Eliminate M107 and AS50

[SepticTank 1]

so you mean to tell me....that you want the only thing that can counteract nvg/ghillie night time enemies....to be taken out of the game?

im sorry, but no. thermal weaponry needs to stay in the game to "trump" the night time campers who use silenced weaponry.

im not being a dick or rude, just trying to tell you my opinion as to why its in the game in the first place. i do however, suggest that the ammunition type be changed. 5.56 is literally the most common ammo in the game at this point.

[Edgey75 0]

i have a as50 with 9 mags as yet i havent shot a player with it.

it has been used to provide overwatch for clan mates when were on raiding missions and for anti bandit scanning duty, ive come close to taking one player out but it would of agro`d a load of zeds on team mates and the player did a dc cos he was scared after he saw my clan mates kitted out to the max :D.

the as50 is near useless in the dark due to its lack of night vision and its incapatability with nvg`s it is also bad for atracting zed attention due to its noise although not as bad as the dinnerbell lee enfield :P but still not something you want to go firing unless needing too.

it might kill players easy enough and drop zeds but from what ive encountered of bandits its not a weapon that ive seen them use much ive encountered more with silenced weapons.

also many people dont know how to properly use the sights on the AS50.

in the clan we have 3 AS50`s and we had 1 M107 these were found in the many 12+ man raids we have done so their not easy to find imo.

you might get lucky and find some nice weapons and rare ammo on a run but it isnt a gaurentee, ive been on loads of raids where the best things we found were ak`s.

i think the balance of weapons is fine and doesnt need any taking out, maybe a few more added would be nice though.

if your complaining about these weapons cos you have been sniped by them, then start using your cover more stop running in open feilds and take more notice of your surroundings better, try teaming up with a friend too so that you have some back up when the doodoo hits the fan.

[(gp)echo 0]

Removing these weapons would be a terrible mistake. More importantly, they are defintely not overpowered in the Day Z world. Why?

- most players don't utilize them to their full potential

- they are rare

- the ammo is rare

- they are VERY loud (and attract zombies like crazy)

- they render the player's primary weapon slot useless for most engagements inside of 300m

- players rarely survive long enough to develop experience using these weapons

- Day Z is designed to be a cruel and hostile world

- they help "thin the herd"

I can't emphasize how awful this suggestion would be to the Day Z experience. If anything, we need even more rare/exotic weapons in the game.

[infinitegrim 47]

overpowered? yes' date=' but no more so than other rifles. It has a HUGE pull for zeds and finite ammo. Make the ammo more rare if you like, up the noise

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Actually in our experience it doesnt pull zombies at all.

[naizarak 41]

in my opinion, all military weapons should be removed. emphasis should be placed on handguns/alternative weapons. civilian shotguns and rifles should be expanded upon but made rare.

military weapons would then be ultra rare with very hard-to-find ammo.

the .50cals just don't fit in at all. most powerful sniper rifle should be the cz. even the dmr is overpowered.

edit: pvp shouldn't be about who has the better gun, it's about tactics, awareness, strategy, and positioning.

[(gp)echo 0]

edit: pvp shouldn't be about who has the better gun' date=' it's about tactics, awareness, strategy, and positioning.

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The use of military weapons and sound tactical/operational art is not incompatible. All of your considerations still apply. These concepts do not have to be mutually exclusive.

Furthermore, removing them from the mod will not improve the pvp experience. After all, guns don't kill people; people kill people. Do you wish to remove bandits too? :rolleyes:

[7-75 callaghan 43]

They should at least be removed and replaced with the KSVK.

[GodOfGrain 191]

in my opinion' date=' all military weapons should be removed. emphasis should be placed on handguns/alternative weapons. civilian shotguns and rifles should be expanded upon but made rare.

military weapons would then be ultra rare with very hard-to-find ammo.

the .50cals just don't fit in at all. most powerful sniper rifle should be the cz. even the dmr is overpowered.

edit: pvp shouldn't be about who has the better gun, it's about tactics, awareness, strategy, and positioning.

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A weapon means shit if you don't have these things you just mentioned.

[cherocha 4]

I like how you all think that just because something is rare makes it balanced. If there was a mobile nuclear weapon that had .00000001% chance of spawning' date=' it would be balanced, right? No, that's idiotic. Just because something is rare or hard to get doesn't make it balanced. Second, these night vision items, the NVG and the guns that come with something like NV, aren't even realistically placed in the game. You expect to find special ops equipment in the middle of backcountry Russia? Sure you could argue that you might find some nice automatic weapons, but you're seriously not going to find special ops style guns. This isn't Tom Clancy's Post-Apocalyptic Zombie Diaries, it's the middle of nowhere in Russia.

These guns don't have any place in the game and make it piss poor easy once you get them at night compared to the hell it is beforehand. The only thing people think makes them balanced or realistic for some reason is that they're rare, when they're actually too rare to even be in the game's setting.

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You pretty much want to remove everything in the game that I spent countless hours combing fields to find, and now cherish. My M107, NVGs, and although I haven't read a complaint from you yet, I'm sure you'll find some reason to whine about my L85A2 RIS CWS.

The day Rocket panders to the idiots whining about balance (balance... in Dayz...) and takes out or dumbs down the epic rewards, is the day I stop playing.

[foliveira1982@gmail.com 14]

I don't think these guns fit with the mood of this mod.

Also' date=' these guns doesn't really have the purpose for killing or scouting zombies. It's MAINLY PvP weapon.

I'm not saying PvP is bad, but these guns really breaks the balance because they can shoot so far away without aggroing a single zombie.

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Dont want pvp? Go play Hello Kitty Online.

[Never 237]

That's why they're hard to be found.

Nothings hard to find in this game, you can just server farm for days with a decent group.

That fact makes Dayz a bit of a joke tbh. Oh yeah! lets murder each other over INFINITE resources!

But yeah agree with OP, Youdon't need to but stupid restrictions on bandits, you just need to bin the thermal scope sniper rifles, and then make the ammo RARE AS HELL for the sniper rifles that are left in.

Make groups have to plan and equip their groups to their strengths, don't just let them flit though paraell dimensions until they all own guns that can punch out an engine block.

Making a camp with HUGE stashes of gear is way to easy.

[naizarak 41]

edit: pvp shouldn't be about who has the better gun' date=' it's about tactics, awareness, strategy, and positioning.

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The use of military weapons and sound tactical/operational art is not incompatible. All of your considerations still apply. These concepts do not have to be mutually exclusive.

Furthermore, removing them from the mod will not improve the pvp experience. After all, guns don't kill people; people kill people. Do you wish to remove bandits too? :rolleyes:

in my opinion' date=' all military weapons should be removed. emphasis should be placed on handguns/alternative weapons. civilian shotguns and rifles should be expanded upon but made rare.

military weapons would then be ultra rare with very hard-to-find ammo.

the .50cals just don't fit in at all. most powerful sniper rifle should be the cz. even the dmr is overpowered.

edit: pvp shouldn't be about who has the better gun, it's about tactics, awareness, strategy, and positioning.

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A weapon means shit if you don't have these things you just mentioned.

Yeah but as of now pvp is too easy. Just grab a scoped rifle, camp a popular spot, and take pot shots at passing players. There's no strategy to it.

I have nothing against pvp, I just think the current system doesn't work well. Make bandits work for their kills. Make them value each bullet and seriously contemplate the meaning of every engagement. Overpowered guns along with their ubiquitous ammo are way too common to yield such an approach to pvp.

[Friend-or-Pho 0]

I but these guns really breaks the balance because they can shoot so far away without aggroing a single zombie.

Have you ever fired either gun, they aggro every zombie for a mile.

What exactly is the "mood" of the mod? One could just as easily say all military-grade weapons don't belong in-game. But there was clearly a massive military presence during the outbreak, and as a result there are lots of high-end weapons available. Besides the AS50 and M107 are very rare, I don't see any reason why these weapons in specific should be removed.

I've suggested before that instead of removing or reducing the number of military weapons, they should be made harder to find. Currently finding a crashed chopper that isn't looted requires a ton of luck. Perhaps finding all high-end weapons should have the same element of luck. This seems like the best options IMO, because it makes sense for military weapons to be in-game, but currently they are very easy to get a hold of.

[7-75 callaghan 43]

I think the best solution is to make the ammo even rarer for the top tier weapons. Find a way to prevent server farming - loot spawning should be dependent on total player number, as should be crash sites - they shouldn't occur at all on half-empty servers. Read my crash site suggestion to help improve this, and prevent the boring bandit-farmers from just collecting loads of stuff and killing everyone actually trying to make the most of the mod. I'm not against PvP, just the immature kids who can't think of anything else to do other than snipe.

[7-75 callaghan 43]

lol u mad gayfag?

Can't we have forum moderators add warning levels for things like this? We don't need people who think and speak this way in our community, please guys.

[UbiquitousBadGuy 846]

Already taken care of.

[7-75 callaghan 43]

Already taken care of.

Thank you :-)

[Cori 7]

You people are idiots to think that M107 and AS50 is overpowered. Even at long distances you can agro zombies. I have an AS50 and I shoot from 400 meters and zombies find me at times.

[ApeToe 3]

in my opinion' date=' all military weapons should be removed. emphasis should be placed on handguns/alternative weapons. civilian shotguns and rifles should be expanded upon but made rare.

military weapons would then be ultra rare with very hard-to-find ammo.

the .50cals just don't fit in at all. most powerful sniper rifle should be the cz. even the dmr is overpowered.

edit: pvp shouldn't be about who has the better gun, it's about tactics, awareness, strategy, and positioning.

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The .50cal isn't a military weapon, anyone in the US outside of California can own a Barrett. Know your facts.

[naizarak 41]

in my opinion' date=' all military weapons should be removed. emphasis should be placed on handguns/alternative weapons. civilian shotguns and rifles should be expanded upon but made rare.

military weapons would then be ultra rare with very hard-to-find ammo.

the .50cals just don't fit in at all. most powerful sniper rifle should be the cz. even the dmr is overpowered.

edit: pvp shouldn't be about who has the better gun, it's about tactics, awareness, strategy, and positioning.

[/quote']

The .50cal isn't a military weapon, anyone in the US outside of California can own a Barrett. Know your facts.

lol so just because it can be civilian-owned doesn't make it a military-used weapon?

don't get into technicalities, this is just a game, and in the frame of dayz, some weapons just don't fit in

[7-75 callaghan 43]

in my opinion' date=' all military weapons should be removed. emphasis should be placed on handguns/alternative weapons. civilian shotguns and rifles should be expanded upon but made rare.

military weapons would then be ultra rare with very hard-to-find ammo.

the .50cals just don't fit in at all. most powerful sniper rifle should be the cz. even the dmr is overpowered.

edit: pvp shouldn't be about who has the better gun, it's about tactics, awareness, strategy, and positioning.

[/quote']

The .50cal isn't a military weapon, anyone in the US outside of California can own a Barrett. Know your facts.

Fact - it is a military weapon.

[ApeToe 3]

in my opinion' date=' all military weapons should be removed. emphasis should be placed on handguns/alternative weapons. civilian shotguns and rifles should be expanded upon but made rare.

military weapons would then be ultra rare with very hard-to-find ammo.

the .50cals just don't fit in at all. most powerful sniper rifle should be the cz. even the dmr is overpowered.

edit: pvp shouldn't be about who has the better gun, it's about tactics, awareness, strategy, and positioning.

[/quote']

The .50cal isn't a military weapon, anyone in the US outside of California can own a Barrett. Know your facts.

lol so just because it can be civilian-owned doesn't make it a military-used weapon?

don't get into technicalities, this is just a game, and in the frame of dayz, some weapons just don't fit in

You're right the military uses the M9 as well, lets remove that too.

[7-75 callaghan 43]

This thread is silly, but the OP did have a point, stop arguing off topic nonsense about the M9 being removed too. Learn how to structure a logical argument people, and not resort to infantile rhetoric. There is a problem presented by the fact that there are a great many sniper rifles in the game, which more-or-less force PvP as they are good for nothing else. Like I said - make ammo VERY scarce, so that we are encouraged to stash them somewhere, rather than use them as a primary.

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in my opinion' date=' all military weapons should be removed. emphasis should be placed on handguns/alternative weapons. civilian shotguns and rifles should be expanded upon but made rare.

military weapons would then be ultra rare with very hard-to-find ammo.

the .50cals just don't fit in at all. most powerful sniper rifle should be the cz. even the dmr is overpowered.

edit: pvp shouldn't be about who has the better gun, it's about tactics, awareness, strategy, and positioning.

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The .50cal isn't a military weapon, anyone in the US outside of California can own a Barrett. Know your facts.

lol so just because it can be civilian-owned doesn't make it a military-used weapon?

don't get into technicalities, this is just a game, and in the frame of dayz, some weapons just don't fit in

You're right the military uses the M9 as well, lets remove that too.

And you still don't get it - the M9 is not a military weapon, although it is used by them sometimes. It was designed as a universal sidearm by Berretta. The M109 on the other hand, was designed exclusively for military use, as an anti-material rifle, then laws were changed to allow people to own one in certain places.

[ApeToe 3]

This thread is silly' date=' but the OP did have a point, stop arguing off topic nonsense about the M9 being removed too. Learn how to structure a logical argument people, and not resort to infantile rhetoric. There is a problem presented by the fact that there are a great many sniper rifles in the game, which more-or-less force PvP as they are good for nothing else. Like I said - make ammo VERY scarce, so that we are encouraged to stash them somewhere, rather than use them as a primary.

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The M9 being removed wasn't off topic at all, I was simply proving a point that this idea is a terrible one as I and the majority of others ITT believe. If you don't like the PvP, go play the offline version of DayZ.

ps get rid of your super sized ego, it does you no good on an internet forum.

tl;dr

~dealwithit~

[7-75 callaghan 43]

This thread is silly' date=' but the OP did have a point, stop arguing off topic nonsense about the M9 being removed too. Learn how to structure a logical argument people, and not resort to infantile rhetoric. There is a problem presented by the fact that there are a great many sniper rifles in the game, which more-or-less force PvP as they are good for nothing else. Like I said - make ammo VERY scarce, so that we are encouraged to stash them somewhere, rather than use them as a primary.

[/quote']

The M9 being removed wasn't off topic at all, I was simply proving a point that this idea is a terrible one as I and the majority of others ITT believe. If you don't like the PvP, go play the offline version of DayZ.

ps get rid of your super sized ego, it does you no good on an internet forum.

tl;dr

~dealwithit~

As I have repeatedly said, I have no problem with PvP - but sniper rifles are too prevalent, and they essentially force PvP, in a mod that Rocket very clearly stated was 'not PvP'. Twisting someones words -the childish rhetoric I was talking about. Besides, if I didn't like PvP, I certainly wouldn't play the offline version of DayZ, there are 100+ better mods for that kind of gameplay.