Duo Blackrose's list of pistols

[duoblackrose 8]

Saddle up, this is going to be a long post.

 

first some brief information about the OP. I'm a huge gun-lover, but my favorite firearms are pistols. I spend a fair bit of time researching them (and by research I mean reading about them, not playing CoD). So that being said, I get kind of bummed that I have to go through pure military areas just for a side-arm (which I typically use as a primary weapon anyway). so, in interest in keeping this brief, I'll cut to the quick and give you the list of pistols that should be added, being posted here to hopefully get a response from the Devs.

 

LIST FORMAT

• Pistol
• Caliber
• Magazines
• suggested spawns and rarity.

----why it should be added

• notes

 

THE LIST IS A FOLLOWS.

 

• MAKAROV PM
• 9x18mm
• 8 round box magazine
• relatively common in residential areas.

----this much-despised gun from the mod should resurface here to be an even more despised pistol in the standalone. these little things boast a both a bad magazine capacity and a week caliber, that can not be interchanged with any 9x19mm (or rather 9mm) gun. Making it relatively common will add an element of fun-frustration trying to upgrade, because none of the fire arms I suggest later will share it's caliber, forcing the player to ditch everything they have for it in order to effectively upgrade.

• it's also worth noting that these puppies have been reported to have suppressors, but good luck finding them, because if it's suppressor is added, it would be an extremely rare residential spawn.

 

• THE TT-30 AKA TOKAREV
• 7.62x25
• 8 round box magazine
• same as MAKAROV

----why should the Makarov be the only one to get all the hate though? This also eastern block piece of hardware takes an equally annoying-to-get-rid-of caliber, it's only redeeming characteristic is that it's slightly more powerful

 

• THE CZ-75
• 9x19mm
• 15 round box magazine
• less common than the Makarov or the Tokarev, but still relatively common.

----This Czech pistol is also pretty commonly seen in this area, and should be the first pistol on this list that sounds alright to use, because it is. though it wouldn't be as accurate as say a Glock or Beretta, listed later on.

 

• THE M1911
• 45 ACP
• 7 round box magazine (ultra rare 15 round box magazine [protrudes from bottom of pistol] not necessary)
• not too uncommon in residential, or military

----as a gun that's been in wide-spread use for over 100 years, a game with guns without it could be considered an abomination.

• the magazines should be crazy common.

 

• THE GLOCK 17,19,26,22,23,27,21,30
• 9x19mm,(17,19,26) .40S&W,(22,23,27).45ACP(21,30)
• Lots of different capacities, pending differences in both gun and cartridge sizes. you can look them all up on Glock's website.
• kind of rare in dense residential (city block buildings), rarer in houses, not too uncommon in military (military folds the subcompacts percentage into the full-sized loot)

----another very common pistol now-a-days, but not nearly as old, the Glock is one of the most common firearms purchased for it's reliability, accuracy, and capacity. there are some note to be taken which will be discussed now

• Glock pistols will accept the magazine on any larger magazine of the same caliber, IE the subcompact Glock 26 is capable of taking the magazine from it's big brother, the Glock 17.
• Glock also makes extended magazines (up to a 50 round magazine for the 9mm), all of the extended magazines, if added, should be a super rare military spawn.
• The subcompact pistols (26,27,30) should only take up 2 inventory spaces when they have their usual low-capacity magazines inserted in the gun.

 

• THE BERETTA M9
• 9x19mm
• 15 round box magazine (ultra rare military spawn 30 round magazine)
• kind-of-rare in dense residential areas, not too rare in houses, relatively common in military.

----as the standard side-arm for the US armed forces, this gun would be found with little effort in military areas, though it's suppressors wouldn't. I own one of these myself and can personally vouch for their accuracy and reliability. a keen observer will have noted that I'm suggesting a residential spawn. the reason for this is A) because there is a civilian variant of this gun, the Beretta 92fs, which is for all intents and purposes identical to the military issue M9 (main difference is that the 92fs has a 3-dot sight, whist the M9 uses a 2 dot sight) and B) there is a civilian variant of the M9 as well.

 

• THE H&K USP
• 9x19mm, 40S&W, .45 ACP
• Box magazines, 15 round (9mm), 13 rounds (.40S&W), 12 rounds (.45 ACP)
• uncommon-rare in residential and military

----more difficulties regarding caliber and magazines, as USP magazines will only work on their respective caliber pistols, not many people use these (people prefer Glocks, a Beretta, or a Sig).

• these guns have also been known to be compatible with suppressors.

 

• THE WALTHER P99
• 9x19mm, .40 S&W
• Box magazines 16 rounds (9mm) 12 rounds (.40 S&W)
• Rare residential

----yet another gun to add to your magazine-finding difficulties, I haven't heard of a military that uses these, hence the lack of military spawns.

 

• THE SIG-SAUER 226 SERIES
• 9X19mm, .40S&W
• Box magazines 15 rounds (9mm) 12 rounds (.40S&W)
• Rare residential and military

----this gun came in second in the military trials, losing to the Beretta M9 (then 92fs) on a cost basis, lots of militaries use them, as they are a good gun. worth putting in as yet another gun you could have and be looking for magazines for.

 

----Various revolvers

there are a lot to list, but to add to ammo-finding difficulties, primarily revolver calibers should be used mainly .38 special being common

.357 magnum being relatively common. (and able to use ,38 special rounds)

.44 magnum being pretty rare.

There are a lot of revolvers that could be added, and I'm not going to get into them (plus I'm not as familiar with revolvers as I am with semi-automatics) my short-list includes

• -Colt Python both stub nose (2 slots vertically in inventory), 4 inch (4 slots) and 6 inch (6 slots)
• -Colt Anaconda (same as python, but in .44 magnum)
• -Mataeba
• -the REX
• -S&W Model 29 (ridiculously rare) and

 

• THE S&W M500 X-FRAME
• .500 S&W round
• 5 round cylinder
• almost impossible to find (both the gun and the ammo)

----this is the most powerful handgun money can buy, and as such is rare as all hell to find someone insane enough to buy it. Again, I view it as a status symbol, something that should not be implemented until base-building and long-term storage is well underway. this is something that should take days to find the gun, and enough ammo to deal with all the zeds you agro when you fire the damn thing (all the zeds in cherno are coming for you). this gun will make you go deaf for a couple seconds.

 

3 more guns I would like to talk about

• THE JERICHO 941 (aka Baby Desert Eagle)
• 9x19mm
• 15 round box magazine
• Super rare residential

----now we get into the other reason for all these guns, status symbols, I view this gun as being sort of a low-tier symbol of wealth, being something that has to actively be searched for.

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• THE FN FIVE-SEVEN
• 5.7X28mm
• 20 round box magazine
• rare military spawn

----The primary reason I'm even suggesting this is to go along with the FN P90 which shares the same caliber, This time around I would like to see more Submachine guns, as there were only ever a few in the mod version. Submachine guns take pistol cartridges, so naturally there should be pistol that takes the same rounds as the submachine gun. sort of don't care weather or not it gets implemented (the only one's I'm going to be absolutely adamant about are The Glock 17, The M1911, The Beretta M9).

Last but not least.

 

• THE IMI DESERT EAGLE MK XIX
• .357 MAGNUM, .44 MAGNUM, .50 ACTION EXPRESS
• BOX MAGAZINES, 9 ROUNDS (.357), 8 ROUNDS (.44), 7 ROUNDS (.50AE)
• ULTRA RARE CIVILIAN SPAWN IN ANY CALIBER

----THIS GUN IS INTENDED TO BE THE ULTIMATE STATUS SYMBOL cough I can't yell anymore cough This gun should be implemented much later on, as sort of a status symbol, the idea being that they don't spawn in cities or military at all (no military on earth uses them), they would only spawn in small residential houses. my idea is that a .50AE Desert Eagle, in any condition, with a full magazine, would takes weeks to get your hands on, and a pristine 50AE Desert Eagle, in your desired finish (there are a lot, probably be an easy feat, just by swapping textures) would take a month to find. the other calibers would just be there to piss you off "yay I found a deagle AHH IT'S A .357!! disappointment"

 

some of the later guns in this list are more of a "wouldn't it be cool if" type deal, I honestly don't expect most of this to be added, and if anything I'm trying to drive the point that decent guns should not solely be found in military, although military spawns should have all the best guns (regarding assault rifles and submachine guns) good guns and ammo should be able to be found anywhere.

 

TL;DR, this is a wish list from a guy with a hard-on from guns.

 

[hannibaldaplaya 1095]

We do need more variety when it comes to Pistols, and SMG's would be nice. 

[Yeung-Jin 28]

Fellow gun aficionado here. I'm into handguns, revolvers in particular, and I do a good amount of competitive shooting. I think diversity in the .357 magnum category would be awesome, and I love the Mateba idea (even if they're rarer than a frenchman in a bubble bath). I own one of Emilio Ghisoni's guns and it's a gem. Do you do any comp shooting?

[Raptor05121 32]

Too much is a bad thing. I don't want to find gun X, magazine Y, then magazine Z and gun B. Too much to mix and match. I think the cap should be at ~5 pistols max. One of which should be the 1911.

[duoblackrose 8]

Too much is a bad thing. I don't want to find gun X, magazine Y, then magazine Z and gun B. Too much to mix and match. I think the cap should be at ~5 pistols max. One of which should be the 1911.

 

 

that's the point, i wrote this list intending to make it hard. this isn't just military spawn anymore, civilians own guns too, there's still plenty of room in the loot table for things, now, maybe we can get away with the M9, M1911, G17, the .357, and the FNX .45, but what's the point? two of those guns share the same ammo type, i want pistol parts to be found in every 5th-10th house in residential, i want people to be able to have a handgun, but be forced to pistol whip because none of their ammo fits it, i want them to have to consider ammo-scarcity VS. gun-scarcity VS round effectiveness when trying to "upgrade", i want people to be firing one shot at a time because they still haven't found a magazine.

Edited December 31, 2013 by DuoBlackrose

[thedogfoodyayho 295]

No Deagle, no FivE-Seven. They make no sense.

 

There needs to be more old weapons, like the Nagant 1895, Cz52, ect.

 

The makarov should also be a military spawn, as well as civilian, becuase in ArmA it was the CDF's standard sidearm.

[duoblackrose 8]

Fellow gun aficionado here. I'm into handguns, revolvers in particular, and I do a good amount of competitive shooting. I think diversity in the .357 magnum category would be awesome, and I love the Mateba idea (even if they're rarer than a frenchman in a bubble bath). I own one of Emilio Ghisoni's guns and it's a gem. Do you do any comp shooting?

 

No, i'm only 22. i barely get to go shooting because ammo is so expensive, and i keep getting laid off due to the economy

[DefoneESP 17]

im all for more hand guns and less hi powered semi-auto sniper rifles

 

im a little on the fence about sticking to the whole eastern european theme, it adds to the realism/immersion of the game by having authentic ECOMBLOC weapons, but at the same time it is a game, id like some more familiar stuff too (glocks, M&Ps, Colt etc)

 

i agreed with most of your choices, however i think the desert eagle should be left out, it is by all means a glamor gun, over priced toy, and is in almost any FPS out there

[Dchil 829]

M1911 - a BHP would be a better option as they are quite common in europe.

Glock - Needs to be rarer as police forces in the area use h&k's and CZ'S more than glock from what i hear.

M9 - Plausible if you go with the Arma 2 storyline for before the apocalypse. Swap with another hicap 9mm and i think it would be better.

Colt Anaconda - No, too rare. Only made for a few years in limited numbers, I will concede this point however if you can find me evidence of one being in Australia. Make this a ruger model or the M29 mentioned before.

S&W 500 - No, see Colt Anaconda.

Five-seven - Bit rare and used too little by any military for it to be a mil spawn.

Deagle - Plausible, but must be ultra rare.

 

This is all IMO.

[Mr Jizz 313]

Agreed.

 

I think since you released this post there have been additions, namely the confirmed (?) CZ-75.  I've actually fired this myself and would be a great find in places like police stations, police cars, and in cities.  9mm needs to be the standard for this game, not .45ACP or .357.  It would be great if they added both the CZ75 and the compact CC version, the RAMI.  They could make compact versions relevant by having them use up fewer slots in an inventory; say two slots instead of four.

 

Glock 17/19 and HK USP would also be fairly common. Both can be found chambered in 9mm or .45ACP (among other calibers)

 

A 1911 or five-seven (not to mention 5-7 ammo) would be very uncommon in Eastern Europe/Russia, HOWEVER.. so too would the M4.  The militaries of these areas would use AK47(74), G3 or FN FAL variants/clones by and large.  If we're seeing M4's as the most common primary rifle, then the sky's the limit.  Beretta M9 or SigSauer 220/228/229 would all me great to see. 

 

The Deagle is totally impractical, and propagated mostly by video games.

[Bakercompany86 347]

Too much is a bad thing. I don't want to find gun X, magazine Y, then magazine Z and gun B. Too much to mix and match. I think the cap should be at ~5 pistols max. One of which should be the 1911.

 

Disagree.

 

 

We have how many different magazines for one rifle already? 4? 5?  I say why the hell not!

[Gandolaf 81]

I agree with as much as i can except one thing...

I want a 8" Revolver,because they are fucking awesome.

[.VincenT. 45]

No Deagle, no FivE-Seven. They make no sense.

 

There needs to be more old weapons, like the Nagant 1895, Cz52, ect.

 

The makarov should also be a military spawn, as well as civilian, becuase in ArmA it was the CDF's standard sidearm.

So why exactly dont they make any sense in your opinion? All thesw people that wanna run around with medieval swords and shields are starting to piss me off.

[.VincenT. 45]

Agreed.

 

I think since you released this post there have been additions, namely the confirmed (?) CZ-75.  I've actually fired this myself and would be a great find in places like police stations, police cars, and in cities.  9mm needs to be the standard for this game, not .45ACP or .357.  It would be great if they added both the CZ75 and the compact CC version, the RAMI.  They could make compact versions relevant by having them use up fewer slots in an inventory; say two slots instead of four.

 

Glock 17/19 and HK USP would also be fairly common. Both can be found chambered in 9mm or .45ACP (among other calibers)

 

A 1911 or five-seven (not to mention 5-7 ammo) would be very uncommon in Eastern Europe/Russia, HOWEVER.. so too would the M4.  The militaries of these areas would use AK47(74), G3 or FN FAL variants/clones by and large.  If we're seeing M4's as the most common primary rifle, then the sky's the limit.  Beretta M9 or SigSauer 220/228/229 would all me great to see. 

 

The Deagle is totally impractical, and propagated mostly by video games.

This IS a video game, also e.g. the hunter backpack is impractical since its smaller than the montain backpack, i still use it cause it has style, sane would go for a deagle or an AS50, I would use them even if they take 3 times as much space as a normal gun.