Third person view removal from SA discussion

[reapers239 57]

That is simply wrong. Choice is not always good. People tend to chose everything but wise all over the place on all sorts of occasions. Choice is limited by rules everywhere to make things go round.

Again narrow thinking in regards to days first and third PS view, that also takes away from the freedom given to the player. We only these two options nothing more, like I said you like it go play a different game.

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

it's an advantage in both situations

did you watch dslyecxi's video?

I watched it and I'm still not convinced removing 3PV is a good idea at all. If it's a 1PV player vs a 3PV player then yes the 3PV player has an advantage.

So they have 3 choices on what to do:

A ) Remove 1PV entirely from the game

B ) Remove 3PV entirely from the game

or

C ) Leave it as is

If they did either A or B they would piss off way too many people. If they kept it the way it is only a VERY small number will continue to be frustrated.

You can't eliminate one side of the playerbase. All you can do is compromise. That's why they added 1PV only servers.

Edited January 6, 2014 by WrecklessMEDIC

[twinturbonet (DayZ) 294]

that video answers everything.

Video is PERFECT.  lol

[serenityrick 218]

First case is retarded, obviously the guy in front of the door can use 3rd person to scan the room before he comes in, without being seen as well. And the second one is a bad example as well, since rational people obviously don't take walks on the streets of big cities, and assume that there are snipers lurking on the balconies, terraces and in general high point sniper nests. It's a VERY low chance, that the guy could stand up, do a decent aim and actually shoot the person standing at the store, in that limited time window that he has.

 

Anything else?

 

What the hell are you talking about?

[deevote 21]

I watched it and I'm still not convinced removing 3PV is a good idea at all. If it's a 1PV player vs a 3PV player then yes the 3PV player has an advantage.

So they have 3 choices on what to do:

A ) Remove 1PV entirely from the game

B ) Remove 3PV entirely from the game

or

C ) Leave it as is

If they did either A or B they would piss off way too many people. If they kept it the way it is only a VERY small number will continue to be frustrated.

You can't eliminate one side of the playerbase. All you can do is compromise. That's why they added 1PV only servers.

 

Wrong. 1st person vs 3rd person, one player has advantage. 3rd person vs 3rd person, one player has advantage. Just because you can use third person doesn't mean you can see any player that is using it too.

[daze23 549]

I watched it and I'm still not convinced removing 3PV is a good idea at all. If it's a 1PV player vs a 3PV player then yes the 3PV player has an advantage.

when people use it to look around cover, it almost always creates a lopsided situation. the other player is at a disadvantage regardless of view they're using

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

when people use it to look around cover, it almost always creates a lopsided situation. the other player is at a disadvantage regardless of view they're using

That's like saying it's unfair if one player walks into a room when the other guys back is turned and they're both in FPV. Obviously one player will always have an advantage regardless of their FOV. :D

[deevote 21]

That's like saying it's unfair if one player walks into a room when the other guys back is turned and they're both in FPV. Obviously one player will always have an advantage regardless of their FOV. :D

 

What you just said isn't even relevant to this discussion. You're comparing someone that has control of their situational awareness(by turning around) to someone that, no matter what view they use or where they are looking, has the possibility of being seen by someone that isn't even possible to be seen. It must be a hard concept to grasp, but you have to keep an open mind to understand this.

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

Funny how whenever the disadvantages are brought up the 3rd person people just scream "you're doing it wrong!". Examples used in the video suddenly become "their fault for standing in the open".

 

There's literally NO discussion to be had with some of these third person advocates. At least the first person advocates entertain every discussion brought up and constantly have to repeat their arguments and reasoning over and over again. The third person advocates just ignore our discussion and responses, move onto another topic which they think dismisses this whole debate, and the cycle continues.

 

Funniest shit is the whole "your servers are empty, so you're the minority" conclusion that they seem to have forgotten was brought up by them. They're now trying to say that's specifically the reason we want to force our view on everyone, because we don't have enough full servers.

 

Really, at some point we just need to stop responding to them. They're only making this thread a pointless read for everyone who attempts it. There's no discussion coming from their side anymore, they're just screaming the same crap over and over. Nothing constructive ever comes from talking to a person with their head buried in the sand.

 

Kudos to Rick for keeping up the fight. My brain hurts too.

Edited January 6, 2014 by bad_mojo

[Gerandar 212]

 

 

its you guys that dont budge we agree that the camera needs to be fixed, next to no one wants to play on your shitty first person only servers so instead of beating this dead horse find a compromise that fixes the issues with the camera. 

Edited January 6, 2014 by Gerandar

[daze23 549]

That's like saying it's unfair if one player walks into a room when the other guys back is turned and they're both in FPV. Obviously one player will always have an advantage regardless of their FOV.

getting shot in the back is "fair" IMO (at least in the context of this game). when it happens to me, I know it was generally my fault for not being aware of my surroundings and/or picking a bad place eat a kiwi. it's also a matter of luck/chance, and it's understandable if I end up on the losing side of that

it's not my fault I can't see that guy on the other side of the wall though

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

Funniest shit is the whole "your servers are empty, so you're the minority" conclusion that they seem to have forgotten was brought up by them. They're now trying to say that's specifically the reason we want to force our view on everyone, because we don't have enough full servers.

Did you just admit 1st person servers are empty because you're the minority? And that you're trying to force your views for the same reason? Well done. ;)

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

its you guys that dont budge we agree that the camera needs to be fixed, next to no one wants to play on your shitty first person only servers so instead of beating this dead horse find a compromise that fixes the issues with the camera.

 

You're the only ones thinking that a low population of first person servers is a good representation of the whole dayz communities feelings towards first person only. Why should I accept that line of thinking when I've seen massive amounts of people saying they would accept the removal of third person?

 

http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=5220c5f8e4b09938befb2ec1

[Gerandar 212]

You're the only ones thinking that a low population of first person servers is a good representation of the whole dayz communities feelings towards first person only. Why should I accept that line of thinking when I've seen massive amounts of people saying they would accept the removal of third person?

 

http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=5220c5f8e4b09938befb2ec1

 

an internet poll is a better representation then people playing the game~ logic!

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

You're the only ones thinking that a low population of first person servers is a good representation of the whole dayz communities feelings towards first person only. Why should I accept that line of thinking when I've seen massive amounts of people saying they would accept the removal of third person?

http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=5220c5f8e4b09938befb2ec1

So out of more than 500,000 players you found a poll that samples 5000 of them?

You're right! That's way more accurate than what the servers are showing. :P

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

Rather than debate his side, he simply refuses to accept my personal experience or any evidence I bring him.

 

Edit: Wreckless, it's over 800,000 now, at least be accurate if you're gonna get all picky over the numbers.

Edited January 6, 2014 by bad_mojo

[daze23 549]

an internet poll is a better representation then people playing the game~ logic!

the poll asks the question of what people would do if all there was is 1st person

how many people play on what servers now is completely different. many people play on 3rd person servers, but would still like to see it removed from the game

[Gerandar 212]

the poll asks the question of what people would do if all there was is 1st person

how many people play on what servers now is completely different. many people play on 3rd person servers, but would still like to see it removed from the game

 

again a 3rd party internet poll is not a better representation of peoples opinions on 3rd person, its not going anywhere tho you can keep trying if you want.

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

again a 3rd party internet poll is not a better representation of peoples opinions on 3rd person, its not going anywhere tho you can keep trying if you want.

 

You realize you can't just say things with no reasoning. Just because you don't think it's a good representation, doesn't mean simply saying that to us will sway our opinions.

 

Why is that poll not a good representation?

Why is looking at the current server populations a better representation of a hypothetical situation that has never existed?

[soulfirez 901]

The topic shouldnt really be to remove 3rd view it should really be how to fix it. I have already posted the video of a very effective method for making 3rd view no more advantagous than 1st.

 

I play 1st i find it more immersive but i do not want to force anyone else to play my way because it is what i prefer i want to play on full healthy servers be it with 1st or 3rd view players if and when the play field is evened out . The LOS (line of sight) video i posted from the 2017 mod ( a dayz varraition being done for arma 3) is a near perfect solution the 3rd view people still have there view and the 1st view players are not disadvantaged by it lol .

 

Although what dismays me is some 3rd view players shot that down as i dont like it no reason behind it just doesnt look right ( it looks exactly as it does now just zombies and players you couldnt see from your position do not get rendered on the screen. and for those guys its obvious your play style relies on hiding and using the 3rd view periscope to get kills (nothing will ever change your way )

 

Everyone else go back watch that video and realise life aint black or white but shades of grey ( comprimise finding a solution to a problem rather than scraping what is in many peoples eyes a needed feature).

 

I want to go back to killing any threat to me in the game (or talking to ones i think are less of a threat which gets me killed alot lol ) be it zed or 1st view or 3rd view players lol ...

Edited January 6, 2014 by SoulFirez

[daze23 549]

again a 3rd party internet poll is not a better representation of peoples opinions on 3rd person

it's a poll that asks that specific question

what servers people currently choose to play on could depend on many other factors

[Gerandar 212]

You realize you can't just say things with no reasoning. Just because you don't think it's a good representation, doesn't mean simply saying that to us will sway our opinions.

 

Why is that poll not a good representation?

Why is looking at the current server populations a better representation of a hypothetical situation that has never existed?

 

3rd party website not very well advertised poll, not nearly enough votes and no way to ensure they are unique

 

If people wanted to play without 3rd person we can, the majority appear to not want to as they have taken the option to play with 3rd person.

 

so your saying the devs should change it and pray to god the game doesnt die off like your first person servers? who in there right mind would take that gamble.

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

The topic shouldnt really be to remove 3rd view it should really be how to fix it. I have already posted the video of a very effective method for making 3rd view no more advantagous than 1st.

 

I'm not against the idea in the video. I would have to test it out for a while and see if I can find faults in it. It seems like a good solution to remove a lot of the exploits.

 

But, I feel like this topic of removing 3rd person should remain at least until something like that video has replaced the 3rd person camera we have now. There's no reason they couldn't remove third person until something like that system can be implemented. I just feel like if that system(removing the exploits) is the end goal, keeping the exploitable view in the game as a placeholder in the mean time is doing the game no favors. What if there are issues with that system? We fall back to the current system?

[daze23 549]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0fWg1UkGP8&feature=youtu.be&t=14m00s

I just watched this, and I have to say it is very interesting. I'd like to see them try something like this. I do find players appearing a disappearing kind of awkward and "immersion breaking", but i guess there has to be a compromise somewhere

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

3rd party website not very well advertised poll, not nearly enough votes and no way to ensure they are unique

 

If people wanted to play without 3rd person we can, the majority appear to not want to as they have taken the option to play with 3rd person.

 

Except in that poll, the question asks if third person was removed, how would you react. This can't be judged by looking at the current number of players playing on which servers.

 

So, I'll ask again, why should I accept that line of thinking when my experience in these discussions & things like that poll say otherwise? Why does the amount of first person servers in a split system represent the overall feeling towards removing 3rd person view?

 

It makes no sense. That's like saying everyone has pennies at home in their change jar, so nobody supports the removal of the penny from circulation. People playing third person doesn't mean they can't deal with it being removed. Sway my opinion on this topic, PLEASE!