What's the deal with epoch.

[SteelKnife 25]

Why do people like DayZ epoch so much?

[Dyckman 26]

Dunno, logged on once to a server. Killed someone, who had some nice gear decked out, and keys to a car. Pretty much had everything i've wanted in vanilla, let someone kill me and logged.

 

Didn't like it so much.

[meat pie 632]

its for noobs, and people who want bases and mmo money system 

 

I dont like doing this for every post but I have to,Not all epoch players are noobs but if you want a bigger picture dayz epoch is good,with the money and bases BUT some server make it into a stupid pvp NOT ALL some.

 

That being said if you like epoch good for you I play it sometimes to it has a lot more to do then dayz

Edited December 3, 2013 by meat pie

[Bludy 324]

it's what i ask myself everyday since i see threads on threads on servers all epoch. maybe it fulfills the desire of hoarding of people..it has safes, so you can hoard something which is safe once you run back after you died. keys prevent people from steal your car.

 

it has npcs..it has a lot of stuff i don't want in dayz..glad some people is spread where i will never meet them.

[jacobahalls 80]

Dunno, logged on once to a server. Killed someone, who had some nice gear decked out, and keys to a car. Pretty much had everything i've wanted in vanilla, let someone kill me and logged.

 

Didn't like it so much.

So you think that kinda stuff happens all the time? No it doesn't.

The reason why I like it so much is that I can build a proper base and hide all my crap inside without someone taking all my stuff while I'm offline. Another reason why is you because you have more guns, clothes, and backpacks. Not as much as Overwatch but that is a TDM mod. Also the traders are a nice touch with the currency system.

[mercules 1290]

Because it makes me play DayZ instead of playing BF3/4 with slower respawn options. ;)


Reasons why I like Epoch.

1. Trade system - Now hold on before you go all Loony Toons about how stupid trading systems would be in a Zombie Apocalypse you would actually be very wrong. When supplies get scarce people often have an abundance of one item and lack of another. They often will trade one for the other. The choice of using 1oz metals is appropriate as there is little use for them other than being more rare and a good trade token. Barter systems do not work because of numerous reasons the most common being lack of mutual wants... I have chickens to trade but the guy who has what I want doesn't eat chicken or eggs. Another is lack of "division". A working car is worth how many chickens? 

The trade system adds value to Epoch because I no longer find myself wandering past something and going, "Eh, I've got the X I want so I won't pick that up." Example: Say I am using an M16A2 and I find an M4A1. I don't just toss out the M16A2 because it has some value. If I can I will hold on to it until I can hit a trade post and then exchange it for something else I want/need. 

At the same time this does detract from the whole, I need to scavenge for X. However, it does remove some of the "choke points" of regular DayZ. Hospitals, Military Spawns, and such were common points that people would camp to kill others because you HAD to go to a couple places to get X if you needed it. Now you can pick up a bunch of Y and trade for X. Of course that means you have to go to a trader point but it does split up the spots people might camp.

2. Vehicle system - Vehicles can be locked. You can find random vehicles in bad shape around the map and fix them up then use them, or you can sell them and buy other things. Eventually you will probably buy a vehicle. At that point you get a key. Without the key people can't easily run away with your vehicle. This means you CAN actually drive it to a location you intend to run around in. You can log off and have some expectation it might be where you left it. This makes vehicles usable and worth getting. 

At the same time your vehicle is not totally safe. The easiest method to steal from it or it is to simply wait for someone to forget to lock it or take their key from them. If you are the spiteful sort you can simply destroy a locked vehicle and ruin their day or find one and strip the tires off it. There is also a rare loot drop that allows you to hotwire a car and steal it. The car will be locked after the restart but you could race it over to a trader and sell everything in it as well as the vehicle and make profit from stealing from someone. 

3. Real Weight system - They give us HUGE backpacks but everything has a weight and while you might try to cary two Main Rotors, you probably are not carrying them very far. Never pick up two piles of Cinderblocks if there are zombies around because there is a very real chance of you passing out from carrying them and dying. When you are exhausted from carrying heavy things or running for a while with a bit of weight you shake so bad you really can't shoot. This forces you to plan out your routes to avoid carrying heavy things over a long distance. You can load up a backpack with a few guns, but they will weigh you down. You also don't tend to packrat around with your backpack crammed full all the time because it is just too heavy to do reasonably. 

4. There is a reason to kill zombies - No really. A bunch of very useful rare drops come off of zombie corpses and you need those to "do things" in Epoch. Want to craft a locked door? Well, you need a combination lock off a "worker" zombie. Hope one drops for you... it might take a good deal of zombies. 

They are not that much more threatening, but wanting to actively engage them instead of just avoiding them is a nice change. 

5. Crafting/Modular Building - This is probably the biggest selling point to Epoch. You can build an actual base. It can be something simply like 4 wooden walls and a roof with a garage door allowing you access to the inside, to elaborate fortress designs with multiple layers of defense. This lets you stash loot and have it be moderately secure. People can still raid your base and nearly everything is destructible so you need to plan on loosing it, but it isn't a tent in the woods that anyone can access, they need to go through some effort to get your stuff, not just walk up to it and hit the scroll wheel. 

It gives you something to do once you have some food, some drink, ammo, and the gun you want, besides, "Let's go shoot someone." You still shoot at people but it isn't the only reason to log in. Typically you log in and go, "I need some mortar... I guess I'll hit some Industrial Spawns." and off you go hunting up supplies. Instead of, "I need a couple more DMR mags, I used mine up shooting bambis." 
 

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Epoch weaves all these things together so you end up using all the features. You want a base to secure a few items or sometimes to show off. For that you need weapons so you can go loot areas and kill zombies for some of the things you want. You will also need a vehicle since building supplies are heavy. Luckily you can lock it and it should still be there after 30 minutes of running around a town looking for loot. Then you need to transport those things to your base area and build while hoping no one spots you. The vehicle has to be close to where you are looting or you will have to make many small trips or stop and rest a lot while moving heavier things to the vehicle.

Someone hits your base or steals your vehicle(s) and suddenly you are trying to figure out who it was and return the favor. Someone kills you and takes your pride and joy Chopper Key then flies it away. Well you stashed a spare key in your base so you dig it out and hunt up your helicopter and steal it back. 

It gives you a lot to do that is interacting with the world and not just trying to work your way up to better guns and full equipment and then hunting people. 

 

[Dyckman 26]

So you think that kinda stuff happens all the time? No it doesn't.

The reason why I like it so much is that I can build a proper base and hide all my crap inside without someone taking all my stuff while I'm offline. Another reason why is you because you have more guns, clothes, and backpacks. Not as much as Overwatch but that is a TDM mod. Also the traders are a nice touch with the currency system.

I didn't like the idea in general. You have protected gear that now no one else can get to, unless you let people have it.

 

I like my loot not being safe. Where everything you have can be taken from you so easily. It's fresh everytime you have to re-loot stuff in towns.

 

Can't steal a car because it's locked, what a load of crap. Some servers even make it a rule to not be able to blow them up either. That kinda of stuff doesn't appeal to me, so I stay away now.

 

Now for you, if that's what you like by all means play it, I don't bash people on what they play, but for me it doesn't appeal me.

[mercules 1290]

it's what i ask myself everyday since i see threads on threads on servers all epoch. maybe it fulfills the desire of hoarding of people..it has safes, so you can hoard something which is safe once you run back after you died. keys prevent people from steal your car.

 

it has npcs..it has a lot of stuff i don't want in dayz..glad some people is spread where i will never meet them.

 

Keys "secure" a car, but it can still be stolen. It can also be damaged. What keys do it make it so you don't have some random person who spots your vehicle run away from it because you got out and went into a barn. 

The NPCs are all traders which is basically an interface to turn X into Y.

 

its for noobs and people who want bases and mmo money system 

 

"noobs" huh?  <_< How quaint your ignorance is. It's very much like Vanilla only you can take reasonable precautions to secure a few items so it is actually worth picking things up instead of, "Eh, doesn't fit in my backpack... leave it sit." and gives you something to do besides "I'mma goin' shootin' sum unarmed guyz in'na 'Lektro" 

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That reminds me. In Epoch I tend to use more of the map. You don't build your base in the most heavily traveled areas, for obvious reasons, so you tend to wander around the map looking for the random spawns like Supply Drops, Helicopter Crashes, Mass Graves, and such as well as bases. You also tend to go to Industrial spawns instead of just Residential to gear up and Military to get better gear. 

[mercules 1290]

I didn't like the idea in general. You have protected gear that now no one else can get to, unless you let people have it.

 

I like my loot not being safe. Where everything you have can be taken from you so easily. It's fresh everytime you have to re-loot stuff in towns.

 

Can't steal a car because it's locked, what a load of crap. Some servers even make it a rule to not be able to blow them up either. That kinda of stuff doesn't appeal to me, so I stay away now.

 

Now for you, if that's what you like by all means play it, I don't bash people on what they play, but for me it doesn't appeal me.

 

There is no reason to pick up anything in DayZ that doesn't fit in your backpack. Why? Because there is no way to secure it. So the game ends up boiling down to, "Pick up gun. Get ammo. Shoot someone. Die. Repeat." Don't worry about food because there is no real reason to "survive" since there is nothing to do but shoot people. Don't fix up a vehicle, because you just basically did a bunch of work for something you can't even use or it will be stolen while you fill it with gas or step into a building to find some beans. Park that chopper off the map so no one will take it, don't bother to use it, you spent time fixing it up and using just means someone might shoot or steal it. 

[r4z0r49 4761]

Guys no need to turn this into a battle. Give your reasons and move on.

There is nothing wrong with epoch some ppl like it others don't :-)

[Korsbaek 1778]

The NPCs are all traders which is basically an interface to turn X into Y.

 

Realism.

[r4z0r49 4761]

Alot of players like the base building and the fact you can store you vehicles and gear in locked areas. Something DayZ will never have

[brzator47@gmail.com 524]

Because it makes me play DayZ instead of playing BF3/4 with slower respawn options. ;)

It depends on what you mean by "playing DayZ" I guess. The non pvp aspect of epoch doesn't really make me feel I'm playing DayZ. Far from that actually.

It does give you more stuff to do which in turn does mean I'm less likely to go try pick a fight out of boredom. I don't like the way it achieves that however. Hoarding stuff I don't need in order to buy a car doesn't really fit into DayZ for me. Not to mention the whole traders idea with safe zones which most epoch servers have is pretty lame. Bases are too safe, cars are too safe, although they can get stolen... in theory. Safe storage devalues character life even more which is why it's still a pvp/kos fest. They do have some ideas I'd like to see in DayZ but overall, I'm not a fan of Epoch.

[meat pie 632]

Keys "secure" a car, but it can still be stolen. It can also be damaged. What keys do it make it so you don't have some random person who spots your vehicle run away from it because you got out and went into a barn. 

The NPCs are all traders which is basically an interface to turn X into Y.

 

 

"noobs" huh?  <_< How quaint your ignorance is. It's very much like Vanilla only you can take reasonable precautions to secure a few items so it is actually worth picking things up instead of, "Eh, doesn't fit in my backpack... leave it sit." and gives you something to do besides "I'mma goin' shootin' sum unarmed guyz in'na 'Lektro" 

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That reminds me. In Epoch I tend to use more of the map. You don't build your base in the most heavily traveled areas, for obvious reasons, so you tend to wander around the map looking for the random spawns like Supply Drops, Helicopter Crashes, Mass Graves, and such as well as bases. You also tend to go to Industrial spawns instead of just Residential to gear up and Military to get better gear. 

 

 

I did not say Its ONLY for noobs look buddy I try not to put a size 8 Ps. after evrey thing so I dont get comments like that but It seems I have to.

Its for people who want trading and bases.AND!!! its  a better place to start then normal dayz.

OK? I will add a small descalamer so I dont make anyone sad.

 

I did not mean to say that it is a stupid mod for stupid people,I dont give a fuck who plays epoch it does not make you a bad person.

Edited December 3, 2013 by meat pie

[Skat3rat 1633]

I'd like to chime in real fast and state that the reason I think it's so popular, is because it features a lot of things DayZ players have wanted and gives a lot of new features and challenges.  However Epoch isn't for everyone.  I myself really enjoyed it at first but have grown bored of it.  So have several of my friends.

[mercules 1290]

It depends on what you mean by "playing DayZ" I guess. The non pvp aspect of epoch doesn't really make me feel I'm playing DayZ. Far from that actually.

It does give you more stuff to do which in turn does mean I'm less likely to go try pick a fight out of boredom. I don't like the way it achieves that however. Hoarding stuff I don't need in order to buy a car doesn't really fit into DayZ for me. Not to mention the whole traders idea with safe zones which most epoch servers have is pretty lame. Bases are too safe, cars are too safe, although they can get stolen... in theory. Safe storage devalues character life even more which is why it's still a pvp/kos fest. They do have some ideas I'd like to see in DayZ but overall, I'm not a fan of Epoch.

 

Well, the ONLY thing that is actually safe... is a Safe. Your walls can be taken down by a guy with a melee weapon if he is determined and there are still Satchel Charges and Grenades around. I don't much like the safes as they do give you one thing that is totally safe and can't be messed with. Even so Safes are not totally safe. You can crack a safe as it is a 4 digit code but it would take a LOT of effort to do so. The code is assigned random so you can't even use people tendency towards certain number sets to crack it. Since it takes a full animation to enter the code it could take a long time but it is possible to do. 

You can also hide nearby and shoot someone after they have opened their safe. This is the easiest way to crack one. 

On normal vanilla Epoch servers you tend to save up for a vehicle, then save up for a Safe. Then you start gathering to craft things. This takes place after what you would typically do in Vanilla so it extends out the time before you go, "I'm bored... PVP." Even so you are typically having to watch out for others constantly since it is easier to let someone else gather up all the cinderblocks then shoot them, take their keys, and drive away with all their work. 

[mercules 1290]

I did not say Its ONLY for noobs look buddy I try not to put a size 8 Ps. after evrey thing so I dont get comments like that but It seems I have to.

Its for people who want trading and bases.AND!!! its  a better place to start then normal dayz.

OK? I will add a small descalamer so I dont make anyone sad.

 

I did not mean to say that it is a stupid mod for stupid people,I dont give a fuck who plays epoch it does not make you a bad person.

 

I disagree. I think everyone should start with Vanilla and then once they are at the point of going, "Well, what else is there to do?" Then they should try something like Epoch where there is that next step. 

[okiimatsu 56]

This Epoch sounds like Grand Theft Zombie.

[hellcat420 212]

i started playing epoch because vanilla dayz got boring real fast.  its easy to find gear in vanilla dayz and the pvp gets boring pretty quickly, especially when you have nothing to fight for other than the lulz.

[boxman80 964]

Epoch just plays so much better as an MMO in my opinion. Yes there's a lot of it that isn't as authentic as Day Z (vanilla) but it fills gaps in vanilla and gives more and longer term, game play objectives. I loved vanilla for it's look and feel and how it was you against the elements and other players. Its a fantastic game for a few hours of gaming, a few weeks or even longer. But once you start to group up and play longer term you start hitting it's boundires. Once you've done your raids and scavenges and got your basic kit there's very little incentive to do anything else but kill! Epoch offers more things to do with excellent features such as the base building and the trading and these  things just play out really well with groups and teams. Yea it's not strictly the same authentic gams as day z but it plays really well and offers more things to do. It shouldnt really be compared directly to day z  as both aim to offer different experiences.  

[Jex 1104]

I've tried Epoch, I was a little put off that people can destroy your bases as they take hours of work - is it common to come back and find your base ruined? I'm also thinking that using the hardest materials means trying to hatchet through would takes a lot longer than a wood wall?

[dgeesio 1034]

Why do people like DayZ epoch so much?

pretty boring tbh. often dominated by server owners who have all gold and vehicles and massive bases. cue big youtubers make friends with server owners then miraculously they too have massive bases and every item under the sun isnt that amazing ! :lol:

 

hurry up standalone ! B)

[SteelKnife 25]

pretty boring tbh. often dominated by server owners who have all gold and vehicles and massive bases. cue big youtubers make friends with server owners then miraculously they too have massive bases and every item under the sun isnt that amazing ! :lol:

 

hurry up standalone ! B)

Your picture reminds me of that hand eye monster from pan's labyrinth.

[Esolu 320]

I've been hearing rumours that Epoch is a social experiment to filter all the unwanted players from Vanilla servers. 

Seems to be working fine!

Thanks Epoch.

[Jock McScottish 216]

Epoch to me is for players who are bad losers. Don't like the idea of being killed and losing your gear? Build a big base with big indestructible black safes in it. Which takes me to my next point. Ugliness. I tried epoch, & in the middle of a field I stumbled over a dozen or so big black unbreakable safes. Absolutely killed the immersion aspect STONE DEAD. Epoch is just plain horrible on the eye, random walls and floors all over the map... Then there are the regulars on the epoch servers teaming up to kill noobs to boost their egos knowing if they get killed they can always run back and gear up in their safehouse. what a cop-out.

I have tried most of the mods, and the base building ones have the scummiest KOS players IMO. I have met many friendlies on Vanilla, but on Epoch the heroes are as bad as the bandits. For people who want build comfy houses that let nobody pass but their friends? play the sims-. That's what I preach.

Edited December 5, 2013 by Jock McScottish