Just because of bandit skin, someone's bad?

[WhosHunted 1]

So once upon a time, there was this guy(me) that had just hit a tree with his humvee, maybe 200 meters away from balota, so I decided I head down over to balota, to check some industrial loot for a car wheel, and I saw this survivor, running from the industrial to the hangers, so I kept my distance, and I was like, huh I've got an m4a1 cco and a DMR in my back pack, maybe I'll catch up and offer him my don't if he cooperates, in the meanwhile my friend was coming down to help me out in his white sedan, but before he got there, I caught up to the survivor and I creeped up behind him and I pulled the whole Frankieonpc moment, and I was like, hey buddy I'm friendly, can I get you to face the other way and drop your gun? And he was like, okay I'm dropping it(he only had an m9) and he was like I'm friendly don't shoot! And I was okay. But by this time there were afford zombies, so I was okay buddy come back here, so we ran back down the airfield and I was like, I'll send you on your way dude, but I have an extra for and 3 clips if you want it, and he's like really? Wow thanks, and I'm like np man, so he goes into my backpack, gets the DMR some food drink blah blah blah, then I was like my buddy just dc'd down there at the end of the airfield, you can have the white sedan man, and he was so impressed, so I got a call from my buddy saying his internet was down and he had already put the tire back on my humvee, and to just leave him, so I venture on, down the coast on the road, to come across the survivor I just helped out, and he's crouched behind his car looking up a hill, and I pull up and I'm like is everything okay? And he's like no there's someone up there shooting me, so I get out and I'm like, just stay here I'll go get him, and I legit get 20 meters up the hill and guess who shot me and killed me? I write in side chat: I'm like wtf dude? I just spared your life, kitted you, gave you a vehicle and then in return you kill me?

He responds with- your a bandit though

..... You've got to be kidding me.......

Advice for kids out there like this guy ^^^

1. Not everyone that has a bandit skin, is actually a bandit( there's self defence and things you can't help )

2. If someone helps you be nice, don't kill them.

3. Stop playing dayZ....

Thoughts on how sickening this game has got?

So once upon a time, there was this guy(me) that had just hit a tree with his humvee, maybe 200 meters away from balota, so I decided I head down over to balota, to check some industrial loot for a car wheel, and I saw this survivor, running from the industrial to the hangers, so I kept my distance, and I was like, huh I've got an m4a1 cco and a don't in my back pack, maybe I'll catch up and offer him my don't if he cooperates, in the meanwhile my friend was coming down to help me out in his white sedan, but before he got there, I caught up to the survivor and I creeped up behind him and I pulled the whole Frankieonpc moment, and I was like, hey buddy I'm friendly, can I get you to face the other way and drop your gun? And he was like, okay I'm dropping it(he only had an m9) and he was like I'm friendly don't shoot! And I was okay. But by this time there were afford zombies, so I was okay buddy come back here, so we ran back down the airfield and I was like, I'll send you on your way dude, but I have an extra for and 3 clips if you want it, and he's like really? Wow thanks, and I'm like np man, so he goes into my backpack, gets the don't, some food drink blah blah blah, then I was like my buddy just dc'd down there at the end of the airfield, you can have the white sedan man, and he was so impressed, so I got a call from my buddy saying his internet was down and he had already put the tire back on my humvee, and to just leave him, so I venture on, down the coast on the road, to come across the survivor I just helped out, and he's crouched behind his car looking up a hill, and I pull up and I'm like is everything okay? And he's like no there's someone up there shooting me, so I get out and I'm like, just stay here I'll go get him, and I legit get 20 meters up the hill and guess who shot me and killed me? I write in side chat: I'm like wtf dude? I just spared your life, kitted you, gave you a vehicle and then in return you kill me?

He responds with- your a bandit though

..... You've got to be kidding me.......

Advice for kids out there like this guy ^^^

1. Not everyone that has a bandit skin, is actually a bandit( there's self defence and things you can't help )

2. If someone helps you be nice, don't kill them.

3. Stop playing dayZ....

Thoughts on how sickening this game has got?

Edited November 19, 2013 by WhosHunted

[Conkykillz 791]

I am waiting for the SA,

 

Played first time in months the other night spawned "Killed on Sight" with nothing, this happened three times in a row. I feel to many kiddies play now, With no Moral Compass and just ruin the whole experience. YES we need Bandits but not "ASSHATS" who give TRUE Bandits a bad name, Any kind of role play is better than someone sniping you with No interaction..... But this is DayZ

[WhosHunted 1]

Yup haha tbh with you, the kid was like 12.

Btw conky I would go try and join a team! Like a hero team/clan/group, most servers they play shouldn't have such bad bandit level! Try playing epoch too! It's a great mod! If your interrested apply at angelsofthevoid.com that's the hero clan I play with!

[Oliver Riedel 176]

"and a don't in my back pack"

 

"offer him my don't if he cooperates"

 

dafuq are you talking about.

Anyways, If I see a bandit skined player I shoot on sight no matter the circumstances. If it was "self defense" then I dont think you would have a bandit skin bud. I try to communicate with survivors as much as possible, I try to let them know I am there from a distance then approach so they cant play the "you scared the shit outta me" card. Ive been killed by bandits and survivors alike and they claim afterwards "Oh im friendly I just felt like shooting you" or "Sorry bud you scared me, but Im still taking everything you own, thanks". And I am kinda tired of everyone calling someone that shoots on sight a kiddie. Admit it you shoot people on sight all the time, the one time it happens to you you have to complain and start calling them kiddie, etc. I dont think its the "kiddies" that make the game bad, I think its the community just complaining about getting shot on sight so much that they have to turn to KOSing them selfs to defend aginst it. I know I KOS, I dont complain when it happens to me. I have gotten to the point that I only arm myself with a baseball bat to fight the urge to go on killing sprees.

 

Bad engrish i know leve me al0ne.

[Chris529 380]

Yet people still defend the legitimacy and effectiveness of the skin/humanity system  <_<

I shot a guy on principal because he combat logged from zombies despite being well armed, brought my humanity way down around 0. It's Epoch so there's bandit AI, 12 AI kills later I still barely had 1k humanity. I wasn't made a bandit but it put me well on my way to being skinned as one.

Edited November 19, 2013 by Chris529

[WhosHunted 1]

Oliver!!! Auto correct on my phone!!! Sorry man :S

[Oliver Riedel 176]

Oliver!!! Auto correct on my phone!!! Sorry man :S

Lol thats no problem, Was just trying to figure out what a don't was.. had me really confused.

[WhosHunted 1]

Exactly Chris, and whether or not Oliver, I still went out of my way to help this guy, if I was like you, don't you think I would have killed him the moment I saw him? Whether you want to believe the skins are real or not, that's up to you man! That's how's you play! But I'm no bandit.

[WhosHunted 1]

Different opinions and different ways to play the game! No matter what dayz needs people like you and me, to make the game dayz

[geogeorgegeo@hotmail.co.uk 50]

It is far easier to gain bandit skin than gain hero or survivor skin. So after you gain it (after a few kills) you get KOS'd forever, even if you actually are a 'good' player such as the OP. This is because it is impossible or atleast very difficult to detect when someone is actually being 'good' such as helping a stranger as it is qualitative unless with things like the number of bloodbags you give to people (which is a very unnatural and artificial way to get humanity, and can easily be exploited because of this).

 

Basically, the skins are bad because they tend to dictate gameplay which should be emergent rather than gameplay dictate the skin, because there are many factors players take into account that humanity does not.

[Korsbaek 1778]

What's an Oliver?

 

Did you have a boy in your backpack?

[Element47 2480]

so you expected your friendliness to be repayed in kind. and you were disappointed. welcome to life.

 

 

ok, that may sound cynical - but thats one of the things i actually like about DayZ - it brings all these aspects of human personality right to the front. as a medic, we had people who we brought from the brink of death and who then turned on us - a very small percentage, but still happened. so if people turn on hero medics who just healed them, how is it surprising when some turn on bandits who were nice to them? the reasons behind such actions are diverse, from pure asshattery over lack of understanding to paranoia.. but its that diversity that keeps the game entertaining for many..

 

 

 

 

 

It is far easier to gain bandit skin than gain hero or survivor skin.

 

as someoone wonderfully put it in another thread: you dont get a bandit skin for huggin' lots of kittens.

[WhosHunted 1]

I never once asked for my friendliness to be rewarded, all I wanted was for him to not be something so stupid and be that rude. Like I get it at other times you see a bandit and you think bad guy blah blah blah, but after the fact when he's proved in that moment to you, that he's not a bandit, what do you do? Turn on him, I like dayz for the hero and bandit aspect, but he's not ban doting he's ruining. What he did is just not worth it. Dayz wouldn't be dayz with bandits and hero and fighting and betrayal ect. But this did not have to happen, this is too much in my mind

[kichilron 8550]

Yet people still defend the legitimacy and effectiveness of the skin/humanity system  <_<

I shot a guy on principal because he combat logged from zombies despite being well armed, brought my humanity way down around 0. It's Epoch so there's bandit AI, 12 AI kills later I still barely had 1k humanity. I wasn't made a bandit but it put me well on my way to being skinned as one.

 

 

No humanitymorph on Epoch. ;)

 

And 12 AI would bring you 2400 humanity.

[WhosHunted 1]

Kich that's why I like epoch, but I've killed 26 bandit ai all in a field once and only gained 2300 humAnity, I think it's either buggy, or based on the server?!

[Element47 2480]

I never once asked for my friendliness to be rewarded, all I wanted was for him to not be something so stupid and be that rude. [...]

 

 "to repay in kind" means, to act back in the same way. your skin aside - you were friendly, you expected him to be friendly in return. he wasn't, but instead he betrayed you. Disappointment.

 

There are no rules of conduct in DayZ apart of those which people negotiate between themselves - and there is no ingame mechanic to enforce such arbitrary rules. this is the very core of DayZ. every encounter between strangers is full of tension, and though it has the potential for massive disappointment, it also carries the incredibly rewarding possibility of people getting along despite lack of rules and enforcement.

 

 

 

EDIT: actually, the whole incident is a non-issue. it could be summed up as:

 

"I armed a stranger, he shot me in the back" - "lol, welcome to DayZ"

Edited November 19, 2013 by e47

[kichilron 8550]

Kich that's why I like epoch, but I've killed 26 bandit ai all in a field once and only gained 2300 humAnity, I think it's either buggy, or based on the server?!

 

 

Depends on the server and I can only speak for the ExposedGaming and MustyGaming servers, as I did the AI there.

 

It also differs between mission-AI, which gives you nothing (no banditkill and no humanity) and the rest of the custom AI

[beavis_5000 111]

Havnt read thru all the posts yet, will do when I get the time.

 

In my experience playing on Epoch and Private DayZ servers I found that Bandit skins dont mean as much as they do on Vanilla servers. The reason why is you have to defened yourself so much more on the Private servers for obvious reasons.

 

Ive never had a bandit skin on Origins or Vanilla. On Epoch and Private DayZ servers I ended up with bandit skins on just about every server I played on literally getting bandit skins on 2-3 servers a day.

 

On the Epoch or Private servers, if you spawn in, manage to get a good gun and make it off the coast your likely gonna be in a bandit skin because you will have to kill at least two people along the way.

 

Sure you can spawn in and head straight out north but who is gonna do that when Bolota and Cerno has two barracks a piece.

 

In conclusion you have Bandits everywhere on Epoch or Private DayZ servers, literally 70% or more on a high pop server. Where as on Vanilla they are much more rare and when you do see one you know there is a strong chance they dont have the skin because of self defense reasons ie they KoS.

[herrjon 478]

I do agree that skin means ultimately nothing, going back to my experience of being shot by a Hero (whilst being a Hero myself) and being helped by a bandit.  However, the flipside holds true.  Just because you were nice to someone and gave them gear, that doesn't mean they aren't free to shoot you in the back.  Players are allow to do what they see fit, following morals and rules only they set for themselves.

 

This is why I get excitement out of how I play.  Most people are very grateful you run into danger to heal them, a stranger, some even offer to give me things as "payment", but that doesn't stop them from shooting me because they like my gun or backpack, or mentioned I have NVG's, or even just to try to piss me off and have a laugh.  Every engagement is filled with tension and danger, moreso than a KoS playstyle sometimes.

 

The point is, regardless of how you decide to play, you have to assume any and every player is going to take a shot at you any chance they get.  It's a cynical veiwpoint at best, but it's what has helped me survive.

[beavis_5000 111]

imo Bandit skins mean something on Vanilla. Maybe not so much on Private Servers.

 

On Vanilla a bandit skin lets you guage ones willingness to kill others (Survivors and Heros).

 

Hero skins kind of mean something too but not in a good way as they are too exploitable. Tho I wouldnt KoS a Hero I would avoid them at all costs. Chances are they play on a team or clan and boosted that hero skin or at the very least consistantly play with a team. Im not saying teams cant be Heros, im just saying most teams will mow you down every chance they get so its best to avoid them. Bottom line, avoid Heros because its more likely they are a bandit in disguise.

 

As for survivors I pretty much avoid them at all costs as well and wont KoS them. They could be a Hero at heart or Bandit buts theres almost a 80% chance they are Bandit at there roots.

 

So imo Survivor and Hero skins pretty much mean nothing while Bandit skins definately mean something (Vanilla). On Private Servers one could say Bandit skins mean nothing as its almost harder to stay a Survivor than it is to be a bandit.

[thelonewarrior 886]

I usually always have a bandit skin now, and it's always in self defence

Recently I was playing on a server and a guy in a survivor skin red pawned 3-4 times at electro to try and kill me and each time I killed him

I had a bandit skin once and got to know the guys on the server, we had a non shoot on sight ceasefire between me and a group of at least 3 but they were not interested in teaming up, just said they wouldn't shoot me

I ran into them at least 5 times over the month I played there and went from -5000 humanity with a bandit skin to a hero skin

The moment I got a hero skin, every player I met ( even those normally friendly) KOSed me

Their reasoning was "your a hero, you won't fire back if you want to keep the skin"

The three guys I mentioned? Ran into them where I couldn't escape, gunned me down and took my coyotee backpack even though all 3 had one because they wanted a "spare"

I'd just like to mention they died at least 7-8 times per 3 hour session i played, usually to zombies

They could have used an extra guy but decide to kill me instead

From my experience:

Bandit skin means people KOS you and say its because your a bandit

Survivor skin means people KOS you because they think you could be a bandit

Hero skin means your a pushover and won't fight back against survivors

[WhosHunted 1]

Exactly, just proves that achievable skins should be permanently removed from the game

[herrjon 478]

Exactly, just proves that achievable skins should be permanently removed from the game

 

They will be removed from standalone afaik

[PhilB 230]

When I have a bandit skin, as I often do, I ALWAYS make a point to tell the dude in direct chat that I got the bandit skin by self defense, even if that's not true. Assuming that he's gonna infer from your actions that you are not truly "a bandit" might've been the simple mistake here. Tell the dude some sob story about how you had to fend off multiple survivors and inadvertently got the bandit skin. But also assume that this tactic will only work 1/3 of the time. Plus you went into Balota and helped some unknown dude and turned your back on him, that's a death wish move under any and all circumstances. More of a social experiment with the assumption of death.

Also, these make great stories. Love backstabbing, even sorta when it happens to me.

[broguenz 333]

When I have a bandit skin, as I often do, I ALWAYS make a point to tell the dude in direct chat that I got the bandit skin by self defense, even if that's not true. Assuming that he's gonna infer from your actions that you are not truly "a bandit" might've been the simple mistake here. Tell the dude some sob story about how you had to fend off multiple survivors and inadvertently got the bandit skin. But also assume that this tactic will only work 1/3 of the time. Plus you went into Balota and helped some unknown dude and turned your back on him, that's a death wish move under any and all circumstances. More of a social experiment with the assumption of death.

Also, these make great stories. Love backstabbing, even sorta when it happens to me.

 

There is that. Sometimes your outplayed / fall for a story and mad as you are bro you think gg