Standalone: Foreign Weaponry

[khaenz 93]

It does not make any sense how you can find weapons such as M16s and M4s in Chernarussian military areas, or firestations. If you connect it with the ArmA 2 story though, it would make more sense to find them on small bases. It doesn't make sense to find G36 variants either, and this is why I want to suggest this:

 

My suggestion is: add more foreign weaponry, and an explanation for them and those that already exist.

Heli crash sites are a good explanation to them. They would be rare, and repairing them/maintaining the foreign weapons would be nearly impossible, since you would have to find a heli crash site for just that one specific country your foreign weapon is from, and hope to find parts from it.

 

Crash sites would be from different countries. You could have a Austrian one with AUG compact bullpup rifles and their uniforms, or a German one with G36 variants and bundeswehr uniforms, China with QB rifles and unforms, and more.

 

Countries I think should go crash their helis in a post-soviet state: China, Austria, Germany, UK, Sweden/Finland, Israel and of course the US. Oh and also the Czech Republic! :D

 

There should be a couple of those weapons and their variants, compatible with each other. To balance this, there would be many different countries, so that it will be hard to find just that one gun or part you need, because if you find a heli crash site, it might be chinese, german, british etc. instead of Austrian if you have a nearly-broken AUG and no remaining parts.

 

This suggestion helps with adding variety to DayZ, and a goal to many players. Players could have as a goal to get their favorite weapon, and have to find heli crash sites that have just that one weapon they want. Basically sort of an end-game goal, and it continues since you need to maintain the weapon if you wish to keep it.

 

And if anyone thinks this is a re-suggestion, I don't think I have found one that explains that it should be hard to maintain or find the parts for a gun, that helis should be country-specific and that it can be an end-game goal and add an explanation for there to be foreign weapons.

 

What do you think?

Edited October 29, 2013 by dollon

[voddler (DayZ) 367]

Pretty much nailed it, this is my exact view on the topic with the weapons in Chernarus. Finding an M4A3 in a Chernarussian(??) firestation seems a bit odd :P

[King of kong 1117]

I find it strange that China and the rest would go crashing choppers full of guns in a small country. I had a few thoughts though: Sweden/Finland/Ireland, UN nations, probably in Chernarus or refueling there since Takistan is right next to Chernarus. Germany , 'murica, British, Czech are plausible. Iraq and China unlikely.

[khaenz 93]

I find it strange that China and the rest would go crashing choppers full of guns in a small country. I had a few thoughts though: Sweden/Finland/Ireland, UN nations, probably in Chernarus or refueling there since Takistan is right next to Chernarus. Germany , 'murica, British, Czech are plausible. Iraq and China unlikely.

Lol when did I mention Iraq? , but China does want to investigate since the US and such seem so interested. China would also want to know what the infection is about.

If you misread Israel is Iraq, Israel would probably also want to know more about the infection. I would also love to see their Tavor Assault Rifles in the game.

[SFRGaming 718]

Already been suggested and discussed. Use the search bar.

[King of kong 1117]

Lol when did I mention Iraq? , but China does want to investigate since the US and such seem so interested. China would also want to know what the infection is about.

If you misread Israel is Iraq, Israel would probably also want to know more about the infection. I would also love to see their Tavor Assault Rifles in the game.

Sorry, I meant Israel I doubt that the Israeli Army would just pop over to Chernarus for a cuppa and a chat. They'd need to receive permission to enter Chernarussian airspace. Just my 'pinion though   .

[King of kong 1117]

Lol when did I mention Iraq? , but China does want to investigate since the US and such seem so interested. China would also want to know what the infection is about.

If you misread Israel is Iraq, Israel would probably also want to know more about the infection. I would also love to see their Tavor Assault Rifles in the game.

Since when did you get all these facts that China "Does" want to know about the infection?

[-Gews- 7443]

I don't really want more foreign weapons, it's bad enough as it is with M14s and Lee-Enfields and "Yellow boy" Winchesters.

 

 

However I agree that any foreign weapons should, of course, be found mainly in bases/installations formerly under foreign control, and not in firestations or barns.

[callsignBravo (DayZ) 323]

i like it exept for the uniforms part, i don't think a full uniform would survive a crash, and anyway its going to be single articles of clothing so maybe a german helmet or a country specific jacket type.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

I don't really want more foreign weapons, it's bad enough as it is with M14s and Lee-Enfields and "Yellow boy" Winchesters.

 

 

However I agree that any foreign weapons should, of course, be found mainly in bases/installations formerly under foreign control, and not in firestations or barns.

I think this completely blew over your head; it's an explanation for why the foreign weapons are there.

Also, the M14 is completely plausible, it's still in service in the US as well as many other countries, and was heavily exported. I have no idea why you hate it being in the game so much. 

 

Edit:

 

With only Russian/Eastern Bloc weaponry the game would get immensely boring. Obviously the Mosin-Nagant, SVT-40, SKS, Type 56, Tokarev TT-33, Vz. 61, RPD, RPK, AK-74M, PPS-43 and PPSH-41 are a 'must-have', but a good ol' M-14 (Or M-1A, or Mini-14 for crying out loud) is still something worth having.

Edited October 29, 2013 by Chaingunfighter

[-Gews- 7443]

I think this completely blew over your head; it's an explanation for why the foreign weapons are there.

Also, the M14 is completely plausible, it's still in service in the US as well as many other countries, and was heavily exported. I have no idea why you hate it being in the game so much.

 

No, it didn't, it just didn't change my mind. Foreign bases or not, the country is not going to be littered with the contents of the latest Combat Arms annual. Even in the bases it would probably look something like M4, M4, M4, M4, M4, M4, M4, M249, M4, M4, M240, M249, M4, M4, M4.

 

I don't find the in-game M14 or DMR even remotely plausible at all since those wouldn't be issued to any US troops going into Chernarus - they would either have the fancy ones with the Sage stocks or something else entirely. 

 

As for Chernarussians having them, nope, for two reasons: reason one, because they are a former Soviet republic and I don't believe US would give a former Soviet republic thousands of surplus M14s in the years after 1991... reason two, look at photos and video from wars in Georgia, Chechnya, all over the Balkans - no one has M14s.

[SFRGaming 718]

Can I take us back a few months ago when dean said he's not aiming for realism, but for authenticity

[Chaingunfighter 917]

No, it didn't, it just didn't change my mind. Foreign bases or not, the country is not going to be littered with the contents of the latest Combat Arms annual. Even in the bases it would probably look something like M4, M4, M4, M4, M4, M4, M4, M249, M4, M4, M240, M249, M4, M4, M4.

 

I don't find the in-game M14 or DMR even remotely plausible at all since those wouldn't be issued to any US troops going into Chernarus - they would either have the fancy ones with the Sage stocks or something else entirely. 

 

As for Chernarussians having them, nope, for two reasons: reason one, because they are a former Soviet republic and I don't believe US would give a former Soviet republic thousands of surplus M14s in the years after 1991... reason two, look at photos and video from wars in Georgia, Chechnya, all over the Balkans - no one has M14s.

It's a fictional country, so that doesn't really rule out the possibility of it being ingame. That's beside point - I agree that the current models in-game don't make any sense (the military style M14 and DMR) and something like the M39 EMR or MK14 would be a good replacement.

 

That being said, I still maintain that a civilian-ish M-1A rifle (Essentially an M14, slightly modified) and a Mini-14 should be in the game.

 

(And assuming that the bases were not US, then obviously main-service weapons of whatever country that base was from would replace it; i.e. the L85, L110A1 (Minimi) and L7A2 (Mag) )

Edited October 29, 2013 by Chaingunfighter

[-Gews- 7443]

Can I take us back a few months ago when dean said he's not aiming for realism, but for authenticity

 

Any feeling of authenticity goes out the window when I realize there are 5 Western pistols vs 1 Eastern, or 3 Western LMGs vs one RPK-74, or 13 Western assault and sniper rifles vs 3 AKs and the SVD...

 

Which is why I say we don't need more foreign weapons. A better explanation for foreign weapons is needed and I agreed with that.

Edited October 29, 2013 by Gews

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Any feeling of authenticity goes out the window when I realize there are 5 Western pistols vs 1 Eastern, or 3 Western LMGs vs one RPK-74, or 13 Western assault and sniper rifles vs 3 AKs and the SVD...

 

Which is why I say we don't need more foreign weapons. A better explanation for foreign weapons is needed and I agreed with that.

That's why they could balance it out with the addition of more and superbly common Eastern weapons, and then have a good variety of Western weapons, too, but have them spawn at a relatively lower rate than (most of) the Eastern weapons.

[enforcer1975 1111]

I don't know if they want to investigate with the army, you know they are mostly there to shoot things. Wouldn't they want to send a team of scientists instead? Not the resident evil scientist type teams though. And why would they send their people to refuel in a dangerous place ( zeds and triggerhappy humans )? They would either establish a farp in a safe place or send a tanker airplane instead. And how many countries actually go proactive in foreign afairs except france and the states? Germany??? They would try to negotiate with the zeds to "lay down their teeth"  :lol:

Having the worlds arsenal available in such a remote place is kind of... immersion breaking?

Edited October 29, 2013 by Enforcer

[AP_Norris 1018]

iDK if heli rashes should be the only way to obtain these foreign guns.

You're basically saying that the only guns there are CDF, to say not a single civilian fancied owning a m1911 or an M4 is crazy.

But I do agree that CDF guns should be much more common than any foreign weaponry.

Maybe because of the zombies they had trouble with getting ammo in or something meaning that instead of the guns being rare the ammo is? Because I actually hate seeing 100 dead soldiers and not a single rifle from them in sight.

It would make more sense that they were killed by having no ammo rather than no guns right?

[SFRGaming 718]

And quite honestly I avoid AK's due to their recoil. I find the M4 currently is just the all around better weapon and the ammo isn't hard to find.

[rossums 2190]

I'd like a focus (especially when concerning the 'low' end) on Soviet weaponry.

As long as there is a believable reason (UN Troops attempting to control the outbreak, yadda yadda) then I don't see why there wouldn't be various foreign weaponry around although it would be a lot more limited to more military-oriented areas in comparison to weapons like the Mosin Nagant, AK and other super mass produced weaponry that would be commonly found in the area in homes and businesses.

[terminal_boy 860]

Phased plasma rifle in the 40 Watt range or GTFO!

[enforcer1975 1111]

Phased plasma rifle in the 40 Watt range or GTFO!

 

 

Nah...let's take Klingon or Romulan disruptors...those are foreign. That shit up there is still made in terra. :P

[itsDIETZ 20]

It does not make any sense how you can find weapons such as M16s and M4s in Chernarussian military areas, or firestations. If you connect it with the ArmA 2 story though, it would make more sense to find them on small bases. It doesn't make sense to find G36 variants either, and this is why I want to suggest this:

 

My suggestion is: add more foreign weaponry, and an explanation for them and those that already exist.

Heli crash sites are a good explanation to them. They would be rare, and repairing them/maintaining the foreign weapons would be nearly impossible, since you would have to find a heli crash site for just that one specific country your foreign weapon is from, and hope to find parts from it.

 

Crash sites would be from different countries. You could have a Austrian one with AUG compact bullpup rifles and their uniforms, or a German one with G36 variants and bundeswehr uniforms, China with QB rifles and unforms, and more.

 

Countries I think should go crash their helis in a post-soviet state: China, Austria, Germany, UK, Sweden/Finland, Israel and of course the US. Oh and also the Czech Republic! :D

 

There should be a couple of those weapons and their variants, compatible with each other. To balance this, there would be many different countries, so that it will be hard to find just that one gun or part you need, because if you find a heli crash site, it might be chinese, german, british etc. instead of Austrian if you have a nearly-broken AUG and no remaining parts.

 

This suggestion helps with adding variety to DayZ, and a goal to many players. Players could have as a goal to get their favorite weapon, and have to find heli crash sites that have just that one weapon they want. Basically sort of an end-game goal, and it continues since you need to maintain the weapon if you wish to keep it.

 

And if anyone thinks this is a re-suggestion, I don't think I have found one that explains that it should be hard to maintain or find the parts for a gun, that helis should be country-specific and that it can be an end-game goal and add an explanation for there to be foreign weapons.

 

What do you think?

You do realize that just about every has some form of M4/M16 type rifle in use by some of its forces? It may not be the main rifle but it is in use by a large part of the world including Post soviet bloc countries looking to westernize. They definitly don't need to be as common as they are but they are there. They need more Saiga, Vepr, and CZ sporting rifles. Oh and an AMD-65!  :D

Edited October 29, 2013 by -RoosteR-

[terminal_boy 860]

I don't think people appreciate the level of gun control in place in former Soviet satellite states. A Party member in good standing might be allowed to have a shotgun or hunting rifle if they had access to land to use it on. Even then, having a non-Soviet block weapon was impossible for all but the Party elite.

 

Short of what got dropped by Western forces operating in the area, the only likely foreign weaponry to be had would be German WW2 kit providing that Chernarus was invaded/occupied in WW2.

[enforcer1975 1111]

I don't think people appreciate the level of gun control in place in former Soviet satellite states. A Party member in good standing might be allowed to have a shotgun or hunting rifle if they had access to land to use it on. Even then, having a non-Soviet block weapon was impossible for all but the Party elite.

 

Short of what got dropped by Western forces operating in the area, the only likely foreign weaponry to be had would be German WW2 kit providing that Chernarus was invaded/occupied in WW2.

 

Are you still surprised by that? Most posts asking for western weapons have a ...you can find this in walmart... somewhere. Even England has really harsch gun control laws compared to Germany where you can at least own an airsoft gun without needing a defense such as beeing a collector or a skirmisher. If i remember right that RIF rule is still in effect?

[terminal_boy 860]

I guess I should be used to the "Why can't I have a mini gun / rail gun / Gold Deagle?" threads by now, but they really annoy me as seeing any of those weapons in the SA would ruin any immersion for me.

 

You do indeed still need a defence under the VCRA to purchase RIFs.