announcement about usage of my addons in dayz mods: I DO NOT ALLOW AND DO NOT WANT my addons in dayz mods

[Fraggle (DayZ) 15720]

I'm finding the theme of this whole thread very contradictory.

 

Firstly, I completely understand your frustration about people using your work without attempting to seek permission or credit you for your hard work.  I've been very vocal about it in the past and it's still a massive issue.

 

Secondly, the fact that some people then go on to make money from your work is even worse, again many of us here have been quite vocal about that too.

 

Here's where the irony comes in to play though:  Origins didn't seek permission from any of the DayZ developers for any of the content they use.  They also make money from it.  As I said before, DayZ is a mod created by Dean Hall for free (much as you have created your content for free) and should not be seen as a revenue stream.

 

Now you intend to take a share if the revenue from Origins.....  Do you see my point?

 

The whole thing's a bloody mess.  Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong in any of the comments I have made.

[PK Richie 507]

Also Origins don't make money from donations, they license the files to server hosters so effectively they SELL the rights to host servers.

As you make a commision from that revenue, do you pay tax on your earnings ? and do BIS allow you to earn revenue from anything made with their tools ? pretty sure you can't :p

[vilas@o2.pl 13]

ooo noone knows who made Taviana while on BIS forum there is 100 pages long topic about Taviana since 2010 and first building were made in 2006 by Martin and shown on OFP forum , super 

 

http://s8.postimg.org/qq2z8vz7p/image.jpg

 

look this is from Operation Flashpoint from 2006 

Edited October 22, 2013 by vilas

[terrvik 2409]

ooo noone knows who made Taviana while on BIS forum there is 130 pages long topic about Taviana since 2006 , super 

 

What does that have to do with anything? There are loads of stuff that has been written down for far longer that I have no idea about.

 

Far more serious issues have been brought up in this thread though, don't avoid them.

[vilas@o2.pl 13]

problem is that Dayz moders (different mods which are dozens, or even 20 ? i do not know how many there are Dayzs) didnt even bother to contact Arma addon makers and like with this Taviana

Martin develops map since 2006 and in 2012 someone says "why cant i release my own version, i do not know who is author" eh... 

 

"i do not know who is author" is excuse , just like what one dayz moder told me few months ago "every addon on armaholic is opensource" and can be edited

 

afaik dayz origins functions like other dayz mods - has credits to Dan Hall, but only Dan Hall can say about use or not use his files

 

Origins causes hate cause Origins has it s own model makers and such like (not just using addons made for Arma) ? 

Edited October 22, 2013 by vilas

[Fraggle (DayZ) 15720]

problem is that Dayz moders (different mods which are dozens, or even 20 ? i do not know how many there are Dayzs) didnt even bother to contact Arma addon makers and like with this Taviana

Martin develops map since 2006 and in 2012 someone says "why cant i release my own version, i do not know who is author" eh... 

 

"i do not know who is author" is excuse , just like what one dayz moder told me few months ago "every addon on armaholic is opensource" and can be edited

You seem to be avoiding some of the valid points raised in this thread...

[vilas@o2.pl 13]

you seem to avoid that i have right to decide about my addons, it is major thing, my addons are mine, non less non more 

[Spikér 136]

ooo noone knows who made Taviana while on BIS forum there is 100 pages long topic about Taviana since 2010 and first building were made in 2006 by Martin and shown on OFP forum , super 

 

http://s8.postimg.org/qq2z8vz7p/image.jpg

 

look this is from Operation Flashpoint from 2006 

 

Ok, well then I'm sorry for my ignorance however I'm a player and not a modder. Blame the people who modded DayZ for not acknowledging the original creators of said mod's. 

 

I only came to ARMA2 through DayZ so i would not have known about previous mods aimed at Pre-DayZ arma 2.

[Fraggle (DayZ) 15720]

you seem to avoid that i have right to decide about my addons, it is major thing, my addons are mine, non less non more 

I don't decide anything here and I'm avoiding nothing here.

 

As I said above, it's very wrong for people to use your work without permission.  It's also wrong to use DayZ as a revenue stream, something you are now a part of.

 

Am I missing something?

Edited October 22, 2013 by Fraggle

[Spikér 136]

And this boys and girls, is why i am happy that the SA will have very little if none modding options!

 

P.S fraggle, LOVE your London comment but you should see Newcastle. Where men are men and women are behemoths!

Edited October 22, 2013 by Spikér

[PK Richie 507]

Hmmm http://resources.bisimulations.com/wiki/BISim_Wiki:General_disclaimer

 

 

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[vilas@o2.pl 13]

i also wish best luck to Dan Hall and Standalone without modding cause it will avoid probles

 

Arma2 is third game from BIS we modding (OFP was since 2001, since 2006 Arma1)

shame that many players know Arma2 only from Dayz not from military simulations

 

moding for this game exist since 2002, ends lastly due to Dayz mod appearance by some moders, i hope when SA will be released addonmakers will have again peace of mind and no problems like now 

 

and what about this: 

 

http://dayzhell.com/donate/

Edited October 22, 2013 by vilas

[Fraggle (DayZ) 15720]

P.S fraggle, LOVE your London comment but you should see Newcastle. Where men are men and women are behemoths!

 

Haha!  I've actually moved now so I've left the pissy smell of London behind QQ.

 

Anyhoo - On topic: @Vilas, I'm sorry for sounding harsh above, I just find the whole situation to be a joke.  I love that people like you work hard for free (or not so much for free now I guess) so that we can enjoy the fruits of your labour and as Spiker said, the SA should be released in the nearish future (hopefully) so hopefully many of these sub-mods will crash and burn anyway.

 

Much love.

 

Edit - Also many of us here have also been part of the Arma community for many years.  The SA won't initially be moddable so in the future these problems won't arise.

Edited October 22, 2013 by Fraggle

[r4z0r49 4761]

 

 

afaik dayz origins functions like other dayz mods - has credits to Dan Hall, but only Dan Hall can say about use or not use his files

 

This is incorrect the files used in origins are the community 1.6 files not just Deans work. No credits have ever been given to any of the community. 

[vilas@o2.pl 13]

http://dayzhell.com/donate/

 

this is how many mods appear 

 

http://dayzhell.com/forums/index.php?threads/new-dayz-epoch-server-coming-soon.39/#post-93

 

afai understand guys want money to play Epoch which... contains my cars

Edited October 22, 2013 by vilas

[vilas@o2.pl 13]

This is incorrect the files used in origins are the community 1.6 files not just Deans work. No credits have ever been given to any of the community. 

okay i can tell them that they must put credits, please say which , i will say to Martin that he must give credits to ... , if they not listened to you, they will listen to me i hope

 

+

 

http://dayzhell.com/donate/

 

this is how many mods appear 

 

http://dayzhell.com/...oon.39/#post-93

 

afai understand guys want money to play Epoch which... contains my cars

Edited October 22, 2013 by vilas

[PK Richie 507]

http://dayzhell.com/donate/

 

this is how many mods appear 

 

http://dayzhell.com/forums/index.php?threads/new-dayz-epoch-server-coming-soon.39/#post-93

 

afai understand guys want money to play Epoch which... contains my cars

 

When you uploaded your user made content made with BIS tools you gave Bohemia full ownership, the files can be used freely and without any royalty due.

 

Look, cut the bullshit and say what we all know you mean :p

Origins have told you they will share the license money they charge in exchange for you stopping other mods using it, Your thread title says no Dayz mod can use it but you're allowing Origins :lol:

 

You're a hypocite Vilas and you can't stop anyone using the files because you no longer own the rights to them, go ahead and copyright them and send Epoch a DMCA notice.

[Spikér 136]

i also wish best luck to Dan Hall and Standalone without modding cause it will avoid probles

 

Arma2 is third game from BIS we modding (OFP was since 2001, since 2006 Arma1)

shame that many players know Arma2 only from Dayz not from military simulations

 

moding for this game exist since 2002, ends lastly due to Dayz mod appearance by some moders, i hope when SA will be released addonmakers will have again peace of mind and no problems like now 

 

and what about this: 

 

http://dayzhell.com/donate/

 

 

Oh believe me vilas, due to DayZ i have discovered the wonderful game that is ARMA2. So i would say that the DayZ/Arma2 is a mutually benefiting relationship.

 

With regards to the DayZHell you have linked. That is also something i strongly disagree with. Getting custom loadouts is, in my eyes a form of micro transactions and as such a P2W and should be removed. However, if as some people have stated they NEED donations to keep their server running due to costs, then how is that different to my group and our server? We have 7 friends that all chip in to pay for the server that we play on.  We don't accept donations from the public as we don't need it at the moment. If we did, then we probably would.

 

HOWEVER!

There is a very distinct difference from accepting donations from people who play on your server to keep your (and their server) running to accepting money to use a MOD of a MOD.

 

Also, with regards to epoch. We host our server through vilayer. We pay no extra for the EPOCH files than we would for the core DayZ files. You are more than welcome to come and join our server and you will see that there is NO bollocks asking for donations or any other crap. I only just seen your work in EPOCH today when a hello kitty smart car drove past me ( and got promptly blown the F£$K UP).

 

 

EDIT.. dont know why text is messed up lol

Edited October 22, 2013 by R4Z0R49
Corrected text

[vilas@o2.pl 13]

of course i do own my addons , for saying such things you would be banned in BIS forum or Armaholic, Bohemia doesnt own my textures, my models and i  have right to say whom i give addons and whom not 

 

You're a hypocite Vilas and you can't stop anyone using the files because you no longer own the rights to them, go ahead and copyright them and send Epoch a DMCA notice.

 

this is total bulshit

 

and what is Dayz Taviana in his avatar ? 

Edited October 22, 2013 by vilas

[r4z0r49 4761]

okay i can tell them that they must put credits, please say which , i will say to Martin that he must give credits to ... , if they not listened to you, they will listen to me i hope

 

Don't worry about it that ship sailed long ago.

[RedNome 443]

Enjoy it while it lasts vilas, because the lifespan of Origins is finite, especially once SA hits.

 

No one will want a part of you or your mods after that, well no one with any kind of integrity anyway.

 

I'm not gonna kiss your arse and thank you for your hard work over the years as you've pissed away all rights to that with this thread and your actions, total loss of respect.

 

Origins is a cancer to this community, and now you're a part of it, you are no better in my eyes.

 

As I said, enjoy it while it lasts, I hope it was all worth it.

[Fraggle (DayZ) 15720]

 for saying such things you would be banned in BIS forum or Armaholic, Bohemia doesnt own my textures, my models and i  have right to say whom i give addons and whom not 

 

You'd get banned on the BIS forums for looking at a moderator funny.  Here we allow people to speak their minds freely as long as it's not abusive, so with that in mind let's keep it pleasent.

Edited October 22, 2013 by Fraggle

[vilas@o2.pl 13]

addonmakers own rights to their addons and this cannot be questioned like it is dayz versum

[Spikér 136]

Vilas, this will be my last post on the subject and i hope i don't offend you as it is not my intention to.

 

I would follow what Razor said on page 1 as all this thread is becoming now is a rather confusing debate where some people are getting rather heated. The fact that you mentioned Origins will ( in many people's eyes) lower peoples respect towards you and lower your credibility in general.

[mojave955 0]

Enjoy it while it lasts vilas, because the lifespan of Origins is finite, especially once SA hits.

 

No one will want a part of you or your mods after that, well no one with any kind of integrity anyway.

 

I'm not gonna kiss your arse and thank you for your hard work over the years as you've pissed away all rights to that with this thread and your actions, total loss of respect.

 

Origins is a cancer to this community, and now you're a part of it, you are no better in my eyes.

 

As I said, enjoy it while it lasts, I hope it was all worth it.

 

People like you, who lack respect toward addon makers, are ruining this great community.

 

Vilas is a renowned addon maker known throughout BIS community for over a decade.

 

His contribution to BIS games has been tremendous and boosted countless number of people's gaming experience.

 

Keep in mind that no matter what you think, countless number of people will, and still do, download Vilas's addons. 

 

Without great modders like Vilas, BIS games wouldn't be the same and now some new modders and users who were introduced to ArmA 2 via DayZ are damaging the community.