Excessive military loot

[Dr.Duff 211]

Yes military loot is ridonkulous right now, but then I found an M4A1 CCO SD at the NWAF barracks, so it hasn't annoyed me too much :P

[97ADU Doug 103]

I didn't even mind when this game has 50 cal's. As long as people actually had to work for them, head up north find heli crashes or barracks etc. Weapons like m14's, M4's and mk mods should exists in dayz, they should however be earned, and not accessible to any bambi within 5 minutes of them spawning.

Edited September 29, 2013 by 97ADU Doug

[Wayze 549]

Wow, there are still people complaining about the Mod not being like DayZ is supposed to be. Well, you are right and it will never change. The Mod is simply a deathmatch, nothing else. It has nothing to do with survival and it never will.

 

Just wait a few days or weeks and buy the SA.

[97ADU Doug 103]

Wow, there are still people complaining about the Mod not being like DayZ is supposed to be. Well, you are right and it will never change. The Mod is simply a deathmatch, nothing else. It has nothing to do with survival and it never will.

 

Just wait a few days or weeks and buy the SA.

 

Dont worry I will be, but days and weeks, sounds a bit optimistic.

[fluxley 2228]

As can be seen in the notes for the upcoming hotfix 

 

* [FIXED] - Loot Bias system Fixed. (Limits the amount of Piles within a building every 15 mins) - Should lower overall loot spawned, Should provide FPS Boost

 

 http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/148118-rolling-changlog/

 

Theres currently more loot than intended spawning in 1.8

 

Also, just checked the loot table and LMG's only spawn in barracks and at helicrashes. If you've found them in firestations its either a modified loot table or someone dropped them there.

 

I do agree that the M14 doesn't belong in normal military spawns, should be barracks only IMO.

Edited September 29, 2013 by Fluxley

[iegle 117]

LOL, the OP makes a point, initial reaction is to tar and feather him for it, and in the end general consensus is on his side.

 

It is a sad demonstration of the general douche bag culture on these forums, and in the game in general.

 

On point, I agree with the OP, military grade weapons are far to common.  Military loot spawns are as well.  The decision to upgrade the firehalls, Topolka Dam, and castles has been catastrophic to the game balance.  I hope it is fixed soon.

[fluxley 2228]

Worth noting that the airfield hangers no longer spawn military loot (its classed as military but theres no actual guns)  so adding military to the castles and dams has just spread things out over the map.

Edited September 29, 2013 by Fluxley

[97ADU Doug 103]

Worth noting that the airfield hangers no longer spawn military loot (its classed as military but theres no actual guns)  so adding military to the castles and dams has just spread things out over the map.

I dont mind that their adding more military spawns, its just that guns such as the m14 should never spawn so close to the coast as frequently as they do after this patch. Same deal with guns like the m4.

[Dchil 829]

This claim is also BS for firestations. I went to one today and although i found a couple of m1911s and a tonne of ammo for them (good news for me as a needed a sidearm) one ak and an m4/16 (didn't really check) and no ammo for 'em and m1014 shells. M14s aren't everywhere and i couldn't see any DMR or even m24 mags lying around.

[billyangstadt 272]

this is current firestation loot  lootChance = 0.2;

lootPos[] = {};

lootType[] = {

//one spawn

//tools

{"Binocular","weapon",0.05},

{"ItemFlashlightRed","generic",0.06},

{"ItemKnife","generic",0.06},

{"ItemGPS","weapon",0.01},

{"ItemMap","generic",0.03},

{"ItemEtool","weapon",0.03},

//weapons

{"Colt1911","weapon",0.05},

{"M9","weapon",0.05},

{"M16A2","weapon",0.05},

{"M16A2GL","weapon",0.02},

{"M9SD","weapon",0.01},

{"MakarovSD","weapon",0.01},

{"AK_74","weapon",0.06},

{"M4A1_Aim","weapon",0.03},

{"AKS_74_kobra","weapon",0.06},

{"AKS_74_U","weapon",0.04},

{"AK_47_M","weapon",0.04},

{"M1014","weapon",0.06},

{"M4A1","weapon",0.04},

{"M14_EP1","weapon",0.03},

{"UZI_EP1","weapon",0.05},

{"Remington870_lamp","weapon",0.05},

{"glock17_EP1","weapon",0.08},

{"MP5A5","weapon",0.04},

{"MP5SD","weapon",0.01},

{"M4A3_CCO_EP1","weapon",0.02},

//special

//mags special

{"ItemSandbag","magazine",0.04},

//bags

{"DZ_British_ACU","object",0.02}, // 18

{"DZ_CivilBackpack_EP1","object",0.01}, // 24

//multiple spawns

{"","military",0.70},

{"","generic",0.10}

[r4z0r49 4761]

class Land_a_stationhouse: Military { The station has always been military it has never been defined as anything else.
 

class Military: Default {zombieChance = 0.3;maxRoaming = 6;zombieClass[] = {"z_soldier","z_soldier_heavy","z_policeman","z_new_worker2","z_new_worker3","z_new_worker4"};lootChance = 0.2;lootPos[] = {};lootType[] = {//one spawn//tools{"Binocular","weapon",0.05},{"ItemFlashlightRed","generic",0.06},{"ItemKnife","generic",0.06},{"ItemGPS","weapon",0.01},{"ItemMap","generic",0.03},{"ItemEtool","weapon",0.03},//weapons{"Colt1911","weapon",0.05},{"M9","weapon",0.05},{"M16A2","weapon",0.05},{"M16A2GL","weapon",0.02},{"M9SD","weapon",0.01},{"MakarovSD","weapon",0.01},{"AK_74","weapon",0.06},{"M4A1_Aim","weapon",0.03},{"AKS_74_kobra","weapon",0.06},{"AKS_74_U","weapon",0.04},{"AK_47_M","weapon",0.04},{"M1014","weapon",0.06},{"M4A1","weapon",0.04},//{"M14_EP1","weapon",0.03},{"UZI_EP1","weapon",0.05},{"Remington870_lamp","weapon",0.05},{"glock17_EP1","weapon",0.08},{"MP5A5","weapon",0.04},{"MP5SD","weapon",0.01},{"M4A3_CCO_EP1","weapon",0.02},//special//mags special{"ItemSandbag","magazine",0.04},//bags{"DZ_British_ACU","object",0.02}, // 18{"DZ_CivilBackpack_EP1","object",0.01}, // 24 //multiple spawns{"","military",0.70},{"","generic",0.10}};};

 
class Land_Mil_Barracks_i: MilitarySpecial { This is the loot for barracks if im not mistaken a complete diffrent loot table.

class MilitarySpecial: Default {zombieChance = 0.8;minRoaming = 2;maxRoaming = 6;zombieClass[] = {"z_soldier_heavy","z_new_worker2","z_new_worker3","z_new_worker4"};lootChance = 0.1;lootPos[] = {};lootType[] = {//one spawn//tools{"Binocular","weapon",0.03},{"ItemFlashlightRed","generic",0.05},{"ItemKnife","generic",0.05},{"ItemGPS","weapon",0.01},{"ItemMap","generic",0.03},{"Binocular_Vector","generic",0.01},//weapons{"M16A2","weapon",0.05},{"M16A2GL","weapon",0.05},{"M249_DZ","weapon",0.01},{"M9SD","weapon",0.02},{"MakarovSD","weapon",0.02},{"AK_74","weapon",0.05},{"M4A1_Aim","weapon",0.02},{"AKS_74_kobra","weapon",0.05},{"AKS_74_U","weapon",0.05},{"AK_47_M","weapon",0.05},{"M24","weapon",0.01},{"SVD_CAMO_DZ","weapon",0.01},{"SVD_DZ","weapon",0.02},{"M1014","weapon",0.07},{"DMR_DZ","weapon",0.02},{"M4A1","weapon",0.05},{"M14_EP1","weapon",0.03},{"UZI_EP1","weapon",0.08},{"Remington870_lamp","weapon",0.06},{"glock17_EP1","weapon",0.07},{"M240_DZ","weapon",0.01},{"M4A1_AIM_SD_camo","weapon",0.04},{"M16A4_ACG","weapon",0.05},{"M4A1_HWS_GL_camo","weapon",0.02},{"Mk_48_DZ","weapon",0.01},{"M4A3_CCO_EP1","weapon",0.03},{"Sa58V_RCO_EP1","weapon",0.04},{"Sa58V_CCO_EP1","weapon",0.04},{"G36_C_SD_camo","weapon",0.01},{"M40A3","weapon",0.02},{"Sa58P_EP1","weapon",0.02},{"Sa58V_EP1","weapon",0.02},//special{"AmmoBoxSmall_556","object",0.04},{"AmmoBoxSmall_762","object",0.02},{"WeaponHolder_ItemCamoNet","object",0.03},//mags special{"PipeBomb","magazine",0.01},{"100Rnd_762x54_PK","magazine",0.01},{"Skin_Camo1_DZ","magazine",0.02},{"Skin_Sniper1_DZ","magazine",0.02},//bags{"DZ_CivilBackpack_EP1","object",0.01}, // 24{"DZ_Backpack_EP1","object",0.01}, // 24 //multiple spawns{"","military",0.70},{"","generic",0.10}};};

These are based on the hotfix changes. With the bias being broke in 1.8 its a little hard to judge any loot table.

[dgeesio 1034]

basically id remove most of the guns in the game apart from rifles shotguns and odd pistol myself.

 

who has spare m16s lying around lol or ak.

[Wayze 549]

basically id remove most of the guns in the game apart from rifles shotguns and odd pistol myself.

 

who has spare m16s lying around lol or ak.

AK probably.

I don't know about chernarus but russia is almost like the USA regarding firearms if I am not totally mistaken.

[dgeesio 1034]

so every russain has machine guns ? nice didnt know that.

[Chris529 380]

AK probably.

I don't know about chernarus but russia is almost like the USA regarding firearms if I am not totally mistaken.

What? Russia is a lot more 'strict' with regards to gun laws http://www.gunlab.com.ru/summary.html

[SalamanderAnder (DayZ) 1747]

What? Russia is a lot more 'strict' with regards to gun laws http://www.gunlab.com.ru/summary.html

 

 

Thank you for this, I wasn't actually sure about Russian gun laws. However, Chernarus is NOT located inside Russia. It is in the Czech Republic.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_Czech_Republic

 

They have less strict gun laws and there are an estimated 1,600,000 guns (registered and illicit) in the country. Let's also not forget that yes, gun laws might have some influence, but think about the situation of DayZ. It's the fucking apocalypse, yo. There isn't a "government" to control the registration, sale, and transport of weapons. Also, there would be some sort of military response, which would likely leave equipment behind in it's wake. One can still find old guns, grenades, military phones, ect. in the forests of Berlin from World War II (granted they don't work anymore, but the fact remains that they are there). When American troops left areas in the middle east, it was often cheaper and easier to leave massive numbers of military firearms behind than to ship them back to the United States. Guns can move in highly unpredictable ways.

 

However, I do agree with the OP that some of these buildings just don't make much sense as military weapon spawns. A military camp, I could understand finding a high-powered rifle there. But a fire-station? Eh? I can't think of any reason why a firefighter would need a gun.

Edited September 30, 2013 by SalamanderAnder

[Castle (DayZ) 23]

AK-74s and M4s aren't even really worth picking up...

 

As a long time player who's gotten to use all the guns, I can tell you that I'd rather have a fancy AK-74 or M4 than an M14.  M14s have their purpose, but frankly don't even really beat an AKM or Sa58 in that purpose, while M4s can come with quite the useful attachments.  Hell an M14 is just a severely gimped Mk 48 as far as DayZ is concerned.

Edited September 30, 2013 by Castle

[fluxley 2228]

 

However, I do agree with the OP that some of these buildings just don't make much sense as military weapon spawns. A military camp, I could understand finding a high-powered rifle there. But a fire-station? Eh? I can't think of any reason why a firefighter would need a gun.

 

A firestation is a pretty good defendable building what with having a lookout tower, not too far fetched to think that those with guns would try to hole up in there in a situation like dayz.

[Castle (DayZ) 23]

A firestation is a pretty good defendable building what with having a lookout tower, not too far fetched to think that those with guns would try to hole up in there in a situation like dayz.

 

It also has doors absolutely everywhere that lead into the giant open area where you're going to get surrounded and overpowered.  So I guess it does work because people like you go "oh a vantage point better go in there," and then die because of how penetrable it is to a horde of zombies.

[fluxley 2228]

It also has doors absolutely everywhere that lead into the giant open area where you're going to get surrounded and overpowered.  So I guess it does work because people like you go "oh a vantage point better go in there," and then die because of how penetrable it is to a horde of zombies.

  :D yeah, see, makes perfect sense.

[mercules 1290]

It also has doors absolutely everywhere that lead into the giant open area where you're going to get surrounded and overpowered.  So I guess it does work because people like you go "oh a vantage point better go in there," and then die because of how penetrable it is to a horde of zombies.

 

Technically the Zeds should be stopped by those doors, it's the glitch that they can walk through them that makes the Firehall less defensible. 

[Castle (DayZ) 23]

Technically the Zeds should be stopped by those doors, it's the glitch that they can walk through them that makes the Firehall less defensible. 

 

They open doors.  Them walking through doors happens when you open a door right on them as they were about to open it so they close it on themselves because there's apparently no distinguishable difference between the command to open and close.

[Brew78 27]

I haven't seen any of this excessive weapon spawns in any of the cities yet, and in fact have only found one of the short AK's, AK-74u I think?

 

It does seem that the barracks do spawn more weapons than I've seen in prior patches - one spawn had two M14-AIM's and an M4-ACOG, which I've never seen before.  Then again, my weapon spawn luck is through the floor relative to most people.

 

Speaking of loot spawns, I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong with the chopper crashes, but I haven't gotten a single bit of loot yet out of four crash sites. 

 

The first one I came across looked like there may have been some things in the tall grass but the server had been laggy and the admin rebooted it as I was approaching (DOH!). 

 

The next one was after that reboot, there was another chopper crash in another field nearby, so I thought "Great!" and approached slowly and stayed hidden for awhile.  Lots of zombies were spawning so I thought there might be some good loot there.  I followed the advice in the "Loot spawns explained" thread and tried to stay 50-100ish meters away for awhile before getting any closer.  I crawled around and saw no loot, got spotted and attacked, hauled ass out of there, managed to survive.

 

The next one after that was fairly near a scheduled reboot so may have been there awhile, and same as the prior one, approached slowly and carefully, wasn't ever spotted by any zeds, left with no loot.

 

The fourth was the same story as the second (found the crash fairly quickly after a reboot) except I evaded detection.  Actually, I lurked in the area even longer, ran further away, got closer, tried to activate whatever zones might cause loot to spawn, still nothing.  Not even any trash loot, just lots and lots of military zombies.

 

Dunno if its an issue with that particular server, if I'm approaching the crash site incorrectly, or if its just a case of my continued shitty luck.

[mercules 1290]

They open doors.  Them walking through doors happens when you open a door right on them as they were about to open it so they close it on themselves because there's apparently no distinguishable difference between the command to open and close.

 

What I am attempting to state is that whomever holed up in the firestation would have likely barred the doors to keep them shut. I don't know about where you live, but I can't walk up to such a location where I live and just open the door, they are locked and secured. Zombies would have had to break their way in or an infected but not yet showing symptoms person would have had to have made it inside. Firehalls are cinderblock with metal doors. They should have been hard to break into, thus a good place for people to hole up in. It would have been fairly secure. However it isn't for us because Zombies can glitch through ~walls~ and you can't lock the doors. Closing them means they just walk through them. Oh, and they do not always gltich through them because you were closing them. Sometimes they just simply walk through them for no apparent reason. They walk through unopened doors I've never touched, for instance and not just one Zed.

[Bludy 324]

honestly i don't make myself a lot of question abuot loot in dayz..i just keep going. but i can understand the OP..anyway if you had vision of all that loot i'm sure you enjoyed your m14..being it out of place in cherno or not..