Loading ammo into guns.

[tbodsefier 7]

After watching the recent Dev blog http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdcVPKD803E I came up with a question/possible suggestion about loading ammo. In the blog it was stated that magazines could be reloaded with loose ammo once take nout of the weapon. 

 

My question/suggestion is, can you load loose ammo manually into weapons? Realistically I would be able to load a single round into an M4/M16 (IE) kind of bolt action style, although it would be much slower. I think this should be an option for people especially if magazines aren't easily availible.

[Zuulass 45]

i would hope so

[IkaikaKekai 1957]

You raise a good point.  After all not every weapon has a detachable magazine, I'm somewhat curious as to how they'll handle tube mag shotguns, bolt actions without removable boxes, and break actions (that new 'hunting rifle' and the double barrel shotgun).  While I would think loading a gun like how you describe would be very difficult and time consuming, it should be an option.  However, in the mod I usually keep 2 mags in my main inventory and the rest in my pack.  In standalone I plan to do the same (provided I have enough mags), one on the gun, and at max 2 in my inventory and reload mags as I empty them when I get a chance.

[mr_chabowski@live.co.uk 2416]

For early-stage survivors, there's a chance, however small, that you'd find bullets and a gun, but no magazines. For this situation I think manually loading single rounds should at least be an option.

We've seen the magazine as an attachment on the weapon, and we've seen bullets loaded into a magazine. I suppose it depends on whether or not semis and automatics will NEED a magazine to fire.

 

We've been shown the break-barrel "hunting rifle" pics. And for the more civilian side of things I assume we're eventually going to have single-shot bolt-actions and tube-fed pump-actions and maybe lever actions. So we must be able to load loose rounds straight into those.

Hopefully it's not a feature restricted to non-magazine weapons.

[AP_Norris 1018]

So, can we just deposit rounds into the magazine slot instead of actual magazines so that we can either load a single shot or load into a tube mag or anything?

[TacticalN29 89]

After watching the recent Dev blog http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdcVPKD803E I came up with a question/possible suggestion about loading ammo. In the blog it was stated that magazines could be reloaded with loose ammo once take nout of the weapon.

My question/suggestion is, can you load loose ammo manually into weapons? Realistically I would be able to load a single round into an M4/M16 (IE) kind of bolt action style, although it would be much slower. I think this should be an option for people especially if magazines aren't easily availible.

There are some handguns on the market that (even though there is a round in the chamber) won't fire unless the magazine is in. That being said I don't believe you can load a handgun (a "modern" automatic) without a magazine. The slide just doesn't close. You may be able to on some, but I don't know. As far as tube fed weapons etc. I hope they make them realistic as far as loading. I'm not sure if all weapons have this, but the Mosin Nagant 91/30 (bolt action non-removable box type thing) has a way to drop the bottom of the box out to unload all the ammo at once.

[akafugitive 244]

Its called breach loading and yes I hope they do that if you dont have a mag for that gun

[AP_Norris 1018]

Its called breach loading and yes I hope they do that if you dont have a mag for that gun

I hope they have it so you it counts the round in the chamber when a mag is being used aswell.

Same for either pumping a shotgun once before loading one more shot.

Maybe several repeated hits of R on an already loaded gun makes the player load a extra bullet right into the breech?

[fluxley 2228]

Rocket has confirmed that you will be able to load a single round into a gun with no magazine.

 

http://www.reddit.com/r/dayz/comments/1lvxt1/dayz_devblog_7th_september_2013/cc3hoez

[akafugitive 244]

I'd also like to see Snap/Speed reloading and Controlled reloading.

Snap/Speed reloading is fast by expelling the mag from the gun falling to the ground and loading in a fresh mag. Mag could be picked up from where its dropped later (tap R)

Controlled reloading is slower and the standard in most games, empty mag is retained and a fresh mag is inserted (hold R)

Edited September 14, 2013 by akafugitive

[IkaikaKekai 1957]

Don't we have tactical reloading now?  I mean there's no animation for it but still.

[SalamanderAnder (DayZ) 1747]

That being said I don't believe you can load a handgun (a "modern" automatic) without a magazine. The slide just doesn't close.

 

You absolutely can. I worked at a gun range for almost two years, and only a few times did I encounter a pistol that wouldn't shoot without a mag. But most moderns automatics can be loaded manually, one bullet at a time.

Edited September 14, 2013 by SalamanderAnder

[akafugitive 244]

Don't we have tactical reloading now? I mean there's no animation for it but still.

Thats the point I made... having both would be nice instead of just a tactical reload.

Difference is what reload you would use in and out of direct combat

[AP_Norris 1018]

Double tapping R I think should be snap reloading.

You have to push R twice before your hand is on the mag release or else he grabs it and puts in pocket before grabbing another.

[TacticalN29 89]

You absolutely can. I worked at a gun range for almost two years, and only a few times did I encounter a pistol that wouldn't shoot without a mag. But most moderns automatics can be loaded manually, one bullet at a time.

Yeah I don't know how many, but some have it as a "safety feature". I know you can't load a single round into a Sig P250. Unless I was doing something horribly wrong lol! The slide wouldn't close the whole way. Not sure about Glocks. Also you can reload M4's/AR-15's without touching the magazine that you are ejecting. Edited September 14, 2013 by TacticalN29

[akafugitive 244]

Yeah I don't know how many, but some have it as a "safety feature". I know you can't load a single round into a Sig P250. Unless I was doing something horribly wrong lol! The slide wouldn't close the whole way. Not sure about Glocks. Also you can reload M4's/AR-15's without touching the magazine that you are ejecting.

 

 

Glocks can be shot with a single round chambered, we had a tactical officer accidentally shot in the neck here because of that.

 

Double tapping R I think should be snap reloading.
You have to push R twice before your hand is on the mag release or else he grabs it and puts in pocket before grabbing another.

 

I think that would defeat the idea behind snap/speed reloading, whole point is to reload on the go dynamiclly while maintaining situational awareness, not having to focus on when to hit r again. you have more time to pause and focus on what you are doing with Controlled reloading. R(hold) for a Controlled reload,R(tap) for Snap/Speed reload i think would be simplest meathod.

 

I currently use a Redi-mag system on my M4, that would be a nice addition also

 

*EDIT* just to make sure I'm not causing confusion I am Canadian, I know in the US they would refer to a snap reload as a tactical or speed reload. I will change my terminology so I dont cause confusion 

Edited September 14, 2013 by akafugitive

[akafugitive 244]

oops double post

Edited September 14, 2013 by akafugitive

[enforcer1975 1111]

I currently use a Redi-mag system on my M4, that would be a nice addition also

 

I know in the US they would refer to a snap reload as a tactical or speed reload.

 

 

If you ever find a US weapon in a post soviet country, quite a few are fighting to have a more realistic setup in DayZ "Chernarus+" so dust your AK and practice reloading!!!!  :lol:

 

Isn't a speed reload completely different from a tactical reload?

[AP_Norris 1018]

It wouldn't defeat situational awareness, just spam R quickly.

[akafugitive 244]

If you ever find a US weapon in a post soviet country, quite a few are fighting to have a more realistic setup in DayZ "Chernarus+" so dust your AK and practice reloading!!!!  :lol:

 

Isn't a speed reload completely different from a tactical reload?

 

Yeah I like both weapon systems. I'm hoping for the same thing to be honest but from my understanding they will be making the region appear to have NATO support areas with chopper crashes and FOB's being the only area you will find NATO weapon systems? I've also seen rocket say in an interview that they want to add maps in the US or other western regions later.

 

 

 

To me(Canadian), yes speed reload and tactical reload are different. To the US speed reload and tactical reload are the same...

Edited September 15, 2013 by akafugitive

[TacticalN29 89]

 

 

 

Glocks can be shot with a single round chambered, we had a tactical officer accidentally shot in the neck here because of that.

 

 

 

 

I know that. But what I'm saying is I don't know if you can insert a round into a Glock and shoot it without ever having used the magazine.

[AP_Norris 1018]

I know that. But what I'm saying is I don't know if you can insert a round into a Glock and shoot it without ever having used the magazine.

I'm pretty sure if you can eject a live round you can also breach load it.

[TacticalN29 89]

I'm pretty sure if you can eject a live round you can also breach load it.

Not necessarily. Unless I was doing something wrong you cannot breach load a Sig P250. But you can shoot it with the magazine not being in it. I don't know with Glocks. I have more experience on the P250.

[akafugitive 244]

Not sure about the SIG P250 but every semi-auto I've ever handled the slide can be racked with the mag dropped or it wouldn't lock the slide back when your mag goes dry. Maybe you had the safety engaged(I know Beretta's prohibit slide movement with the safety on)? I've also never seen the hammers lock you from dry firing without a mag inserted. I cant say I've tested firing a single breach loaded round on many handguns but I've handled a lot and I've never encountered any handgun that I would suspect to not allow a breach load, just be very offset without the weight of the mag.

Edited September 16, 2013 by akafugitive

[TacticalN29 89]

Not sure about the SIG P250 but every semi-auto I've ever handled the slide can be racked with the mag dropped or it wouldn't lock the slide back when your mag goes dry. Maybe you had the safety engaged(I know Beretta's prohibit slide movement with the safety on)? I've also never seen the hammers lock you from dry firing without a mag inserted. I cant say I've tested firing a single breach loaded round on many handguns but I've handled a lot and I've never encountered any handgun that I would suspect to not allow a breach load, just be very offset without the weight of the mag.

The slide can be racked on every handgun (with the with the mag dropped) as far as I know. I'm not saying I couldn't fire the P250 with the mag dropped. I'm saying I couldn't breach load it.