Do you play on first or third person servers?

[dgeesio 1034]

just what this game needs tbh more polls :D

[SoulHunter (DayZ) 233]

Give me 7 screenshots, one for each day of the week, of a first person only server with 40+ people on it every day and I'll believe you.

If you are unable to do that, I believe I deserve an apology for being accused of being such things.

You have been accused of being such things because you have been deserved to be accused of being such things.

 

I said I know many FPV only servers the pop of which are far better than 99% of the remaining servers in dayz. But you asking for proof (SS ? and a specific number? 7 SS? Are you 7 or what?) for something you should of done before attempting to act like you know the case (which is the reason why you have been accused of being such things in the first place) is just another sign of being ignorance.

 

Just letting you know.

[Wayze 549]

You have been accused of being such things because you have been deserved to be accused of being such things.

 

I said I know many FPV only servers the pop of which are far better than 99% of the remaining servers in dayz. But you asking for proof (SS ? and a specific number? 7 SS? Are you 7 or what?) for something you should of done before attempting to act like you know the case (which is the reason why you have been accused of being such things in the first place) is just another sign of being ignorance.

 

Just letting you know.

Just deliver ecidence goddamit. Everyone can throw with words. "I said I know, so I am the king of the world you ignorant f*ck"

What the hell is wrong with you? Show us some f*cking screenshots and we believe you, otherwise your arguments are worth bullsh*t.

Edited August 29, 2013 by Wayze

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

Currently out of 6216 servers there are a whopping SIX servers running first person only.

 

-UK352 with 12/42 players

 

-DayZ ZP NOCD RU private hive with 3/50 players

 

-BMRF DayZ #2 with 2/55 players

 

The other three only had 1 player, so they're not even worth mentioning.

 

 

 

 

This is hardly the picture you painted in your post SoulHunter. Perhaps you have something better than DayZ Commander to find these hidden gems you speak of?

[BigChef 55]

But you are being rude. A poll has been made on reddit and similar results have been gathered for the same subject (FPV or TPV). Therefore this poll must be valid (to a point) as well.

Sure, it's a data entry, but hardly the opinion of the playing populous, this forum for that matter.

[dallas 5195]

Imagine if all 1st person players joined 1st person servers, instead of joining 3rd person servers and complaining about it?

 

I play 3rd person, because I've always enjoyed BI's simulation approach to a military shooter. To me it's not about FOV, it's simply that I accept and appreciate that 3rd person is a part of BI's battlefield and BI has even offered a solution for servers to enforce their own mandatory difficulty settings.

 

Some people simply refuse to accept that BI games are what they are.

Edited August 29, 2013 by Dallas

[TheDesigner 1197]

Currently out of 6216 servers there are a whopping SIX servers running first person only.

-UK352 with 12/42 players

-DayZ ZP NOCD RU private hive with 3/50 players

-BMRF DayZ #2 with 2/55 players

The other three only had 1 player, so they're not even worth mentioning.

This is hardly the picture you painted in your post SoulHunter. Perhaps you have something better than DayZ Commander to find these hidden gems you speak of?

I play on an Origin server that is FPV only and has ~15 on average on 7 days a week.

It's not listed there.

Where'd you find this list and what are you filtering for?

Imagine if all 1st person players joined 1st person servers, instead of joining 3rd person servers and complaining about it?

I play 3rd person, because I've always enjoyed BI's simulation approach to a military shooter. To me it's not about FOV, it's simply that I accept and appreciate that 3rd person is a part of BI's battlefield and BI has even offered a solution for servers to enforce their own mandatory difficulty settings.

Some people simply refuse to accept that BI games are what they are.

Yeah, but when the forum rants about realism and all that and how "this" isn't realistic or "that" isn't realistic or something ruins their immersion while third person spying over a wall, Rocket needs to step up and do what the community rants for. First step towards the realism we want is no third person. An FOV slider should be enabled, but no 3rd person at all.

DayZ will never be the realistic zombie survival sim people want until 3rdPV is eliminated. Until then, things like suppression, effective tactics, and gunplay will be on par with COD.

Edited August 29, 2013 by TheDesigner

[dallas 5195]

DayZ was never about realism, it's about authenticity.

 

Not the authenticity of whether you like first person view or not, but whether you're driven by real emotions, when you either chose to search for resources  in remote villages, because you don't like being forced to kill people in self defense or if you are drawn towards the high populated areas, because you have no qualm about competing for the resources with violence. 

 

Third person players are as worried or intrigued, when they here a gunshot beyond the horizon, some third person players will be driven towards the shot by curiosity or greed, while other third person players, will be driven away from the gunshot by fear and paranoia, the same way as first person players make decisions based on their similar authentic experience.

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

It was DayZ commander filtered to vanilla dayz, including private hives with 1 player or more.

[TheDesigner 1197]

It was DayZ commander filtered to vanilla dayz, including private hives with 1 player or more.

DayZ Vanilla is a rare server type itself. Filter for all mods variants.

DayZ was never about realism, it's about authenticity.

Not the authenticity of whether you like first person view or not, but whether you're driven by real emotions, when you either chose to search for resources in remote villages, because you don't like being forced to kill people in self defense or if you are drawn towards the high populated areas, because you have no qualm about competing for the resources with violence.

Third person players are as worried or intrigued, when they here a gunshot beyond the horizon, some third person players will be driven towards the shot by curiosity or greed, while other third person players, will be driven away from the gunshot by fear and paranoia, the same way as first person players make decisions based on their similar authentic experience.

I have to disagree. A FPV player will ALWAYS have a more authentic and realistic experience in DayZ than a TPV player. Why? Simple. They can't use their magical third eye to poke out of cover to see their assailant. They don't know if he's flanking them, rushing, or taking cover also. They can't keep tabs on him from behind a wall. TPV player can keep their crosshairs on him from behind cover! And you're telling me that's authentic?!

With FPV, turning a corner is a surprise. Will there be a zombie right there? A player? A car? You don't know. Mister magical TPV player does, though. He's already surveyed the entire street before he's come out of the corner. Authentic? No. Casual play? Yes.

To prove my point, watch any major YouTuber. What happens when they get in a firefight? Dive for cover and third person over cover. Not authentic at all.

Edited August 29, 2013 by TheDesigner

[Mullraugh 1151]

You have been accused of being such things because you have been deserved to be accused of being such things.

I said I know many FPV only servers the pop of which are far better than 99% of the remaining servers in dayz. But you asking for proof (SS ? and a specific number? 7 SS? Are you 7 or what?) for something you should of done before attempting to act like you know the case (which is the reason why you have been accused of being such things in the first place) is just another sign of being ignorance.

Just letting you know.

I have stated an opinion. If you think I'm being ignorant of the fact there are no first person servers, that is your problem, since I can't find any fucks to give about the subject. Also, I'm fine with you blindly insulting me like you did, since i've lived through far worse, but if you're going to insult me, do it right. It's "being ignorant" not "being ignorance", and no, I am not seven years old.if anyone's proving themselves to be immature here, it's you. I apologize if I have insulted you in any way. Good day. Edited August 29, 2013 by mullraugh

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

DayZ Vanilla is a rare server type itself. Filter for all mods variants.

 

It's all relevant. If you uncheck the first person requirement, the servers with more than 20 players is over a dozen.

 

Also, if you look in DayZ commander, it says there are 2800 servers for DayZ, while the largest mod (Origins) only has just over 1000. That can hardly be called rare. I don't even think all the mod servers combined surpass the number of vanilla dayz servers.

Edited August 29, 2013 by bad_mojo

[dsi24 227]

Come on guys this is really basic shit.

 

If you want to complain about FoV: Realize that 2x Numpad - will fix it, you can also change it in the CFG if you're willing to deal with a small consistent change to your magnified scopes.  

If you want to complain about motion sickness: Realize that turning off post proc and headbob will fix it (as with every other game ever)

If you want to complain about lack of awareness: Realize that freelook and increased FoV will fix it.

If you want to complain about not being able to see your clothes: Realize that freelook and the gear menu paperdoll will fix it.

 

 

It's really annoying to see shit that's been left behind for a week at this point, buried by facts, brought back up because third person players are resorting to digging up old lines.

[sixfeetgiantbunnyrabbit 40]

Give me 7 screenshots, one for each day of the week, of a first person only server with 40+ people on it every day and I'll believe you.

If you are unable to do that, I believe I deserve an apology for being accused of being such things.

singing with my Most tender Meat Loaf voice: 'i can do that, oh oh now i can do that".

i play once a week for about 2 hours maybe. That's exactly 100% of my gaming time. So casual player here. I used to be forced to very Löw populated servers because i refused to play on 3rd person Servers. But recently i came across the Zombies.nu servers based on the DayZero Mod. There are 1st person only servers located in europe and the us. I've yet to See the Player count drop under 40 since (re)descovering the servers. And no kidding, i already came across lots of friendly survivors helping me out (and i need a lot of help...).

[Statik (DayZ) 2695]

I play 3rd because 1st get next to no traffic. It's amazing how much the game changes when it's 1st person only. Sniping/Counter sniping is a whole new game.

[alsmir 255]

There's no valid voting option for me.

I don't care whether the server is 3p or 1p and if the server allows use of 3p there are still many situtations when you're better off using 1p view.

I just pitty all those people trying to convince everyone how 1p view is superior and everyone who disagrees is a noob >.>

[Wayze 549]

There's no valid voting option for me.

I don't care whether the server is 3p or 1p and if the server allows use of 3p there are still many situtations when you're better off using 1p view.

I just pitty all those people trying to convince everyone how 1p view is superior and everyone who disagrees is a noob >.>

There is, because you either play on third person servers mainly or on first person servers. This has nothing to do with what you care about, it is just the fact where you play. If you don't care about it is probably B, because there is no single first person server which is good at the moment.

Edited August 29, 2013 by Wayze

[TheDesigner 1197]

There is, because you either play on third person servers mainly or on first person servers. This has nothing to do with what you care about, it is just the fact where you play. If you don't care about it is probably B, because there is no single first person server which is good at the moment.

Well, the truth is FPV players are severly punished in DayZ. Since it is the harder option and server admins like to make DayZ as easy as possible, only few servers have FP only.

Think of how much better and harder DayZ would be without 24/7 daylight, self blood bagging, third person view, and repaired & fueled cars. Going off topic, but this is also why we, as a community, shouldn't be trusted with our own servers. Rocket said he wanted to be unforgiving... so far, the mod has gotten pretty forgiving.

[SoulHunter (DayZ) 233]

If the old polls on the forums and on the reddit were correct, the rate of FPV siders should be about 66%-72%.

 

As we can see here, it is about 68%, which is pretty much legit I guess. Btw the results of the reddit poll are "STILL" the same. Just saying for someone who think that such polls cannot determine what all the players actually think;

 

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1pZqrOkddl42aICeOf7EBAGqAwEHgLwbiYJlIJj2Sil4/viewanalytics

[SoulHunter (DayZ) 233]

Just deliver ecidence goddamit. Everyone can throw with words. "I said I know, so I am the king of the world you ignorant f*ck"

What the hell is wrong with you? Show us some f*cking screenshots and we believe you, otherwise your arguments are worth bullsh*t.

May I ask who you think you are to be able to order me or talk to me like that? Do you just ignore the fact that I have all the rights to assume of knowing anything I desire? I am able to/allowed to think that I know anything possible, which does not need to be corrected by any other human-being.

 

 

 

 

...otherwise your arguments...

What arguments please? I did state no argument in the first place. Again.. What do you think you are exactly talking about?

 

I've come up with some known facts that must be known by everyone already. That is the reason why he (and now you as well) has been called to make some research before getting to a convo making up stuffs from thin air. That is because being ignorance.

 

However, I am in will to help you to make the research that he and you should of done ages ago as seeing you unavailable to do that even though you might be actually wanting to.

 

To start the research with, I'll let you know the most used method to learn stuff on internet, known as "google". I am pretty sure that you've heard of it already. And it is not really hard to use that. There is also a well made version of it, for those who are not familiar with it.

 

http://googleforidiots.com/ (Just following the instruction can give you the key of the world! \O/ )

 

Btw HERE is the official "Read-Me/User-Guide" of the site for if someone would have trouble using it. =) Did not check it, but heard from many people that it makes everything more clear.

 

Now here we are taking a break. Just type anything you want and mighty gooogle shall bring it to you!

 

 

 

Assuming that you might probably fail finding anything yet again, here is another helpful tool that you can use: http://dayzcommander.blob.core.windows.net/releases/Dotjosh.DayZCommander.Installer.msi

 

And here is the official FAQ section showing many aspects of it: http://www.dayzcommander.com/Faq

 

And here is a tutorial of how to use it for beginners of DayZ;

 

 

 

There is not all the servers (especially servers of some mods of the mod which have more FPV only servers than the browser has so far) but it would still help you to get some idea about the server-base. (I am sure that you'll find that "7" number. The holy 7 man.. 7FPT!!1!)

 

Now here giving you about 8 hours to analyze the info that you've just gathered. Play with the gooogle and dayz browser.

 

 

 

 

Welcome back! It was not that hard, was it? =) Now! Here is the most important part so far!

 

Assuming that you have not still found anything of literally anything, here is a help for you!

 

http://imageshack.us/a/img191/3909/wtlz.png

 

254 results so far! Most of them seem to bee offline (due to many reason, like summer is over, bad server providers etc.) like the majority of all the servers anyway! Some servers are europe ones, so might be quite quiet.

 

 

I hope I could help you to learn making own research before asking for others. It is not a nice behavior and is generally known as "being rude, lazy" and most importantly "ignorance".

 

So yeah! We are done now! Take care!

 

 

 

 

Regards

Edited August 29, 2013 by SoulHunter

[Mullraugh 1151]

May I ask who you think you are to be able to order me or talk to me like that? Do you just ignore the fact that I have all the rights to assume of knowing anything I desire? I am able to/allowed to think that I know anything possible, which does not need to be corrected by any other human-being.

 

This statement bugs me since it's entirely hypocritical and it's the only reason we're all here arguing still. I'd hate to get back into this stupid discussion, but you did exactly what you told Wayze not to do, to me. Here, take a look:

 

There is no such thing as a first person only dayz server that's populated enough to play it.

There are many. You are just being ultimately ignorance or just trolling. Either way, don't do that.

 

You "ignored my rights" to have an opinion and "corrected" me by insulting me.

 

My grandmother always told me not to laugh at a twig in one person's eye when you have a log in your own.

(aka, don't be a fucking hypocrite douchebag, especially on the internet)

 

You're acting like an asshole, and nobody likes it. And we're all going extremely off-topic because of it. So kindly stop, thank you.

Edited August 30, 2013 by mullraugh

[SalamanderAnder (DayZ) 1747]

Where's the vote for "I wouldn't mind having a less exploitable, context sensitive 3rd person camera?"

 

And also first person only servers would still be possible in the standalone. So I'm having a hard time seeing why this is such a heated debate.

 

The people who advocate first person back up their claim by showing that first person servers are populated in the mod. Well if that is true, then you have ultimately defeated your own argument. Particular servers in the Standalone will continue to mandate first person perspective, and therefore first-person junkies will be sated. People who don't mind third-person could play third person servers.

 

The real issue at hand is that third person provides too much visual information. That's it. If it was more limited, then its use as a "periscope" would be amputated; therefore gun play would still be drastically improved, because players would have to take more risks to get visibility of other players.

 

Why can't we just find a middle ground? It would make the game better for everyone, not just the people who like this or that. I can't run 4000 km in first person in this game. It makes me feel seasick and it's also kind of boring. Yeah, maybe I want to admire my new shirt. So? Who are you to judge? Also, consider damage to your backpack. In real life, you would feel the damage to equipment. You would feel blood on your back. You can't portray that information in a video game. Visual cues are helpful for situational awareness.

 

Take The Last of Us, for example. Third person? Yeah. Exploitable? Not really. In fact, that game is fucking hard. So what it really boils down to is again, realism vs. authenticity + a little fun every once in a while. For crying out loud, it is a game after all.

Edited August 30, 2013 by SalamanderAnder

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

And also first person only servers would still be possible in the standalone. So I'm having a hard time seeing why this is such a heated debate.

 

Has that been confirmed? I haven't seen this stated officially yet.

[SoulHunter (DayZ) 233]

This statement bugs me since it's entirely hypocritical and it's the only reason we're all here arguing still. I'd hate to get back into this stupid discussion, but you did exactly what you told Wayze not to do, to me. Here, take a look:

But what I said was a fact, not a statement/argument/opinion (said this 2nd time now.. Will I have to say again?)

 

You ignoring the fact that there are many servers enough populated to play without making research is the fact making you ignorance.

 

I, however, even though did not need to prove this fact, I actually did by helping you to make the research you should of done instead of me.

 

I proved it. Because I know what I think I know. It is a literal fact. Therefore, your statement of me being an hypocrite is totally invalid.

 

By proving the fact, I've actually made a research about FPV only servers, therefore not off-topic at all. Yes, as you said, you are just being off-topic, and I respect you for thinking that aspect.

 

 

You're acting like an asshole, and nobody likes it.

As said before, you have literally "no right" to be able to talk like that. And you are talking for everyone on the world now. That's, good sir, being ignorance. Ask yo grandmama and she shall explain to you how a normal human-being should be behaving like.

 

Btw, as me having proved that there are more than 0 FPV only server "more than" enough populated to play, I've also literally proved that you have been being ignorance (and also that you did reply without reading the post yet again). You did literally no research at all.. I don't understand why people like you like bringing stuff from their asses.

 

Read before posting. Thats the golden rule of any forums. Read my post, and you'll understand that you were being just ultimately ignorance.

 

 

 

Thanks

Edited August 30, 2013 by SoulHunter

[tommes 331]

I just pitty all those people trying to convince everyone how 1p view is superior and everyone who disagrees is a noob >.>

Not noob. Just lame. ^^

At least if you cling to it like little girl to her teddybear.