Ammo reloading / Weapon jams etc

[beani5003 28]

Been told to post this here, don't know if its been suggested already, if it has, i'm sorry for the repost.

 

The idea that I had was when i saw the gamescon preview, about loading ammunition into a magazine.

The idea was actually reloading the ammunition itself, so having primers, brass (even picking up spent brass off the floor after a firefight), powder and projectile.

The other ideas i had were weapon malfunctions ie, double feeds, stoppages etc, that would have to be cleared before firing again. the final idea was specific parts of your weapons wearing out, so the barrel becoming leaded, (if using reloaded ammunition) that would have to be cleaned out, the firing pin wearing out and needing replaced or the weapon geting hit be enemy fire, and the lower reciever cracking making the weapon unusable, and only bits being usable after being pulled off.

 

Sorry again if these have been suggested before

[OrLoK 16185]

Hello there

 

Ive edited your title for clarity :)

 

Rdgs

 

LoK

[Roac 19]

While not in such exquisite detail, the basis of what you said has been confirmed for SA. (Pertaining to gun malfunctions) 

 

But I don't understand what would be the point in "actually" reloading the ammunition.

[OrLoK 16185]

Hello there

 

reloading your own ammo involves lots of tools and mixtures and can have varying results.

 

Its also nice to over power your ammo (albeit not without risk) and IMHO would add yet another aspect to scavenging.

 

I think it would be an interesting mechanic.

 

Rgds

 

LoK

[TacticalN29 89]

It would be interesting, but as someone else pointed out in another thread it's not really a viable thing to do unless you have a base set up. He said if you don't melt the shell casings down and reforge them they will most likely cause a lot of malfunctions etc. I personally have never done reloading, but it makes sense to me.

[King of kong 1117]

BeanZ mothafucka! Take them!

[IkaikaKekai 1957]

I think a base or a reloading bench should be required (as well as any prereqs like a small forge) but overall a good idea as long as it takes time to craft.  Not just a 'I made 6000 rounds in 30 seconds lol'  I mean like 60 seconds to make say 10 rounds.  Idk if it works like this IRL but say you can break down other ammo (ala Fallout:NV) so say exclusively use .45ACP and 5.56 NATO, I can break down all 9mm and 7.62 i run across, melt down the brass and lead, reuse the primers and powder to make the ammo I use.  This might be getting ab it overly complex but should be something that's considered.

[-Gews- 7443]

I'm kind of puzzled as to where survivors would find loose bullets, powder, primers, etc... and then are they going to be carrying around powder measures, dies, a press and a digital scale while remembering loads for every weapon off the top of their heads? I mean, reloading for modern firearms isn't exactly "hold the ball in your hand and cover it with black powder".

 

Seems more likely they'd find loaded cartridges and wouldn't mess around with them.

 

I don't really want to see reloading introduced since I don't think it will (or can) be done in a realistic way. I also think a lot of people wouldn't be satisfied with merely creating "normal" ammunition - they'd have to make shells full of rock salt, or poison bullets, or armor-piercing silver-filled vampire-ready hollow-points.

 

 

 

 

As for jams and such I believe that will be introduced at some point in the standalone.

Edited August 22, 2013 by Gews

[TheLastEmp 295]

You wouldn't really even need to melt it down... there are things you can use to clean shells and casings. A generator might be necessary to run the equipment necessary, but that seems like a really awesome idea to me... I love the prospect of having to try and find spent shell casings to keep my supply of ammo up.

[Frytek 130]

Jams - cool idea. Making ammo - not really. First, I dont think that random people know how to do that (I dont). Secondly - imagine whole the goddamn ammo crap thats falling onto the ground being held up. I see LAGGGG. Binz for fresh idea though (at least fresh for me )

[AP_Norris 1018]

Jams - cool idea. Making ammo - not really. First, I dont think that random people know how to do that (I dont). Secondly - imagine whole the goddamn ammo crap thats falling onto the ground being held up. I see LAGGGG. Binz for fresh idea though (at least fresh for me )

How do you not know how to reload ammo?, its just new primer, however many grains of powder then a bullet.

[IkaikaKekai 1957]

How do you not know how to reload ammo?, its just new primer, however many grains of powder then a bullet.

Most people don't know that.  I can see a noob trying this IRL even with this simple instruction: *puts in new primer in shell backwards, fills with (way too much) gunpowder, uses roofing hammer to pound bullet into shell, small explosion, lots of swearing and cries of 'get the bandaids!'*

[AP_Norris 1018]

Most people don't know that.  I can see a noob trying this IRL even with this simple instruction: *puts in new primer in shell backwards, fills with (way too much) gunpowder, uses roofing hammer to pound bullet into shell, small explosion, lots of swearing and cries of 'get the bandaids!'*

Lol, I guess so.

But people that can't work it out probably wouldn't have survived so long in a zombie apocalypse :D

[IkaikaKekai 1957]

As long as you can understand 'pointy end goes into the other man' you'll be fine.

[AP_Norris 1018]

As long as you can understand 'pointy end goes into the other man' you'll be fine.

0_o what are we talking about here?

[Frytek 130]

Sry, but if there was an apocalypse in my country, I would probably run around with axe, as guns are totally restricted. So you know, Its not Murrica probably most of the survivors wouldn even have a gun in their hands before.

[AP_Norris 1018]

Sry, but if there was an apocalypse in my country, I would probably run around with axe, as guns are totally restricted. So you know, Its not Murrica probably most of the survivors wouldn even have a gun in their hands before.

If you found a gun you'd probably take it.

Especially if there was ammo, I'm sure the military would be called in really quick for defence and that would probably bring a lot of military grade weaponry everywhere that people would just use untill they get too dirty to be trustworthy.

[Frytek 130]

Maybe to cities, but I live on a countryside, so wouldnt really have an ocasion to grab a gun. Moving to the city just to take a gun would be a suicide. Also I dont think I could operate the gun properly.

Of course if I didnt get infected at the beginning...

[TheLastEmp 295]

Reloading ammo is really very simple, but if you've never done it before there are certainly some potentially serious consequences for screwing up, that's a fair point.  However, I would think that (both in-game and irl) after finding a basic set of instructions, just about anyone should be able to reload their own ammo.  I still think it makes sense in-game if you had to find a crafting recipe (reloading manual) first.

 

I do believe there would be significant lag from trying to keep track of all the shells going everywhere, but I really see that as being the only reason why you wouldn't want to have ammo reloading in the game.

[OldMoto 2]

Been told to post this here, don't know if its been suggested already, if it has, i'm sorry for the repost.

 

The idea that I had was when i saw the gamescon preview, about loading ammunition into a magazine.

The idea was actually reloading the ammunition itself, so having primers, brass (even picking up spent brass off the floor after a firefight), powder and projectile.

The other ideas i had were weapon malfunctions ie, double feeds, stoppages etc, that would have to be cleared before firing again. the final idea was specific parts of your weapons wearing out, so the barrel becoming leaded, (if using reloaded ammunition) that would have to be cleaned out, the firing pin wearing out and needing replaced or the weapon geting hit be enemy fire, and the lower reciever cracking making the weapon unusable, and only bits being usable after being pulled off.

 

Sorry again if these have been suggested before

 

Double feeds, malfunctions, slamfires, maintenance...I love that but if think is out of the scope of the game

 

But you have my beanz

[IkaikaKekai 1957]

0_o what are we talking about here?

Bladed and sharp implements of course, in my case a Koa wood spear, since all my 'firearms' currently IRL are airsoft or Nerf.  Working on getting a couple of guns but that's gonna be a bit (need to save up for the guns we want, need to take a gun safety course and get proper licensing from HPD, ect ect.)

[Zuulass 45]

i would love to see ammo reloading

 

could add new loot like powder, bullets, primers, etc

 

but ammo would have to be really rare so that reloading rounds would be a thing

[AP_Norris 1018]

Maybe to cities, but I live on a countryside, so wouldnt really have an ocasion to grab a gun. Moving to the city just to take a gun would be a suicide. Also I dont think I could operate the gun properly.

Of course if I didnt get infected at the beginning...

You never know when you might desperately need to get some medicine or something.

[AP_Norris 1018]

Bladed and sharp implements of course, in my case a Koa wood spear, since all my 'firearms' currently IRL are airsoft or Nerf.  Working on getting a couple of guns but that's gonna be a bit (need to save up for the guns we want, need to take a gun safety course and get proper licensing from HPD, ect ect.)

My only gun, is a .177 air rifle if it can pierce a zombies skull it might be a handly weapon to have, It's about 4kg and I can easily hold 2000 pellets in a pocket, perfect for killing Zeds reasonably quietly in a siege scenario, kinda like a crossbow but instead of getting ammo back you can just have several thousand rounds in a few small tins.