DMR+Crosshair ON IS cheating, no matter how you look at it

[millenniumgroup@gmail.com 16]

This wouldn't be a problem for me, since you could just join servers with crosshairs off. Well that's not possible for me anymore, most large servers with a good ping for me are now crosshair servers.

A DMR is supposed to be used at range, never to supress in medium-close combat, this is common knowledge just as 1+1 = 2.

I've noticed recently a lot of DMR ONLY users plays only on crosshair. I found out today while I was gaming. A DMR can OUTPERFORM any weapon it comes in contact with if you use crosshair. If there's no crosshair they are forced to aim down the sights in close, they usually lose to anyone with an assault rilfe here.

Conclusion, on crosshair ON servers, why use assault rilfe, when DMR does more dmg and can shoot more bullets that KILLS you faster in closecomat, and still retains range?

I hope in SA they will adress this, so people are forced to AIM.

Have a good one as always guys :)

Edited June 17, 2013 by greenfish

[green-K- 101]

It could be handled like in CS for example, you only have a crosshair for non-sniper-weapons.

[elf cakes 559]

or they could remove it as it is completely different to the zombie apocalypse theme

but they'd never do that, everyone would go insane :(

[v3c1c 86]

A DMR is supposed to be used at range, never to supress in medium-close combat, this is common knowledge just as 1+1 = 2.

yes it supposed, but it is still a gun and you can use it as you want! Even .50 cal you can use to suppress some one.

[mzltv 2281]

People play with crosshairs on!?

[PK Richie 507]

You could always setup your own server :P If you don't like how things are now, make your own, with your rules and your settings.

That's the beauty of ArmA :D change everything ....

[Hetstaine 10852]

No matter what you have in medium close range combat..you only need one headshot ;) Most of my DMR's have come by way of M1911/G17 v DMR.

[BarryManalow 1]

The Op point and argument is deeply flawed, i would like to point out that.

If there's no crosshair they are forced to aim down the sights in close, they usually lose to anyone with an assault rilfe here.

Is a fallacy.

Stating that a lack of crosshairs forces anyone to aim down the sights is not correct.

The simple fact that people also die to this on hardcoremode servers refutes this.

Infact with some practice its not hard to ``get lucky`` getting a few kills out of this. at close range.

And like all firefights its not a matter of what weapon is bigger. Usually what matters is who will get hit first.

IF you use assault rifles you primary asset is automatic fire, learn to use and love it.

Fire and displace etc etc. Make sure you get that first hit in.

A DMR is supposed to be used at range, never to supress in medium-close combat, this is common knowledge just as 1+1 = 2.

Let me stop you right here.

So if you would kindly wait and keep in that pose looting the building as you are doing.

Ill woop out my CCO carbine and store my DMR in my backpack.

Your argument is again flawed because you assume you will not be able to use a weapon at a shorter range then its intended use.

Its not artillery dude, there is no minimum distance requirement.

A DMR is essentially an upgraded M21 therefore it retains all charachteristics of the m14. Wich was intended to provide a stable platform at any range out to 800m. The original m14 even had an auto function reflecting this.

Conclusion, on crosshair ON servers, why use assault rilfe, when DMR does more dmg and can shoot more bullets that KILLS you faster in closecomat, and still retains range?

A valid question. Like all firefights its not a matter of what weapon is bigger(if you are both in effective range of eachother). Usually what matters is who will get hit first.

IF you use assault rifles you primary asset is automatic fire, learn to use and love it.

Fire and displace etc etc. Make sure you get that first hit in. Force him/her behind cover. Suppresion fires work in dayz.

And most important dont get ambushed or caught with your pants down.

Also play on hardcoremode servers.

yes it supposed, but it is still a gun and you can use it as you want! Even .50 cal you can use to suppress some one.

Sums up my point nicely.

Edited June 17, 2013 by BarryManalow

[BarryManalow 1]

or they could remove it as it is completely different to the zombie apocalypse theme

Because zombies ate the weapons?

[WBK 176]

or they could remove it

They have to leave the option of xhairs, but I like the idea of making no xhair the default. IRL, if you fire from the hip you only have a general idea of where the bullet is going. Keep it that way, make things more authentic. Plus it would encourage people to stay in 1st person.

EDIT: Oh you were talking about the DMR, my bad. Point still holds though.

Edited June 17, 2013 by WBK

[HMS 115]

I'm looking at it, straight up, as not.

[fez0r 23]

It used to be OP running around with a DMR when the magazines could be split and refilled, with crosshairs on.

I slew thousands of zombies that way - usually in the barns near Berezino.

COME GET ME FILTH!

Yeah, then the magazines got fixed and back to scavenging I went :)

[p4triot 207]

People who says playing without crosshairs forces you to aim have obvisouly not played Killing Floor, nor CS with Scout/Awp. I can headshot you 100m away in less than 3 shots w/o crosshair. 15 years of experience support my statement.

I do agree crosshair should be removed, but just because people will need more skill to aim, not because it makes impossible to aim w/o sighs because it does not.

[AshleyP 121]

or they could remove it as it is completely different to the zombie apocalypse theme

I disagree. DayZ reminds me a little bit of the foot and mouth epidemic that struck the UK in 2001. I vividly remember news footage of piles of burning cattle:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/may/05/foot-and-mouth-disease-detectable

It was creepy as hell and I always assumed that 28 Days Later (which came out in 2002) was in part inspired by it. Anyway, quoth Wikipedia:

"Ireland suffered one case in a flock of sheep in Jenkinstown in County Louth in March 2001. A cull of healthy livestock around the farm was ordered. Irish special forces sniped wild animals capable of bearing the disease, such as deer, in the area."

It makes sense that the game would have scoped rifles, because soldiers would have been sent in to kill off any zombies wandering the countryside. It's debatable whether the military would have just left the rifles behind when they had to flee, but then again DayZ isn't supposed to be 100% fact-based documentary. Heck, earlier today I almost bled to death from crouching on a rock.

[elf cakes 559]

It makes sense that the game would have scoped rifles, because soldiers would have been sent in to kill off any zombies wandering the countryside. It's debatable whether the military would have just left the rifles behind when they had to flee, but then again DayZ isn't supposed to be 100% fact-based documentary. Heck, earlier today I almost bled to death from crouching on a rock.

you contradict your own argument in the same sentence :P 'it makes sense that the game would have scoped rifles' then 'but then again dayZ isn't supposed to be 100% fact -based documentary'. make up your mind lol. the reason i dont want super duper high-powered sniper rifles in the game is because they have made the mod into just another shooter. i don't want to see the standalone go the same way. however if the high powered rifles (as50, m107, dmr, m24 etc etc) are in the game but are extremely rare like dean says (100 in the entire world i believe was a suggestion) then i'm ok with that. i just dont like the idea of cod kiddies being drawn to the standalone like they have been drawn to the mod.

[RJTurneR 112]

Agree with p4triot, years of experience will always count for something. Playing countless games with and without crosshairs will almost allow you to picture your own crosshair on the screen, and so its gets to the point were you know where you need to be aiming when not aiming in.

As for the point about DMR being a sniper, and hence should only be used as a sniper, that is completely not true. The DMR is very similar to that of the M14/M21. Add a longer barrel and a scope, that's all. It is an extremely versatile weapon on ArmA that can be used at pretty much every range. I would have no concern walking into a building on DayZ with a DMR. No weapon is limited to a certain use, if someone wants to go CQC with a AS.50.. Be my guest, are they at a disadvantage? Generally speaking yeah, but power to that person.

[Easy_Tiger (DayZ) 33]

man up and play on vet servers

[wooly-back-jack 294]

if you remove it people will just use the old counterstrike blu-tac-hack :P

[m_mitchell 27]

Like all firefights its not a matter of what weapon is bigger(if you are both in effective range of eachother). Usually what matters is who will get hit first.

Not necessarily. With an assault rifle it can take a few hits to down someone and in that time frame if they were to hit you with one dmr shot you could very well be dead from knockout or not having enough blood to begin with.

So if you would kindly wait and keep in that pose looting the building as you are doing.Ill woop out my CCO carbine and store my DMR in my backpack.

I don't understand what your saying. Your saying that you'd have to pull out another weapon which is the whole point of carrying it in the first place because you can't take out someone with a DMR without crosshairs from 50m? Op didn't say you couldn't try he just wants it to remove the crosshairs nerfing this holy gun that the gods have made.

[RJTurneR 112]

I don't see the point in this thread really..

Some servers have crosshairs, some don't. Some people use crosshairs, some don't. Some people use DMR's at close range, some don't.

No cheating to be had here, if it was cheating, it would be taking advantage/exploiting/hacking the game, which this is none of those.

[BarryManalow 1]

Not necessarily. With an assault rifle it can take a few hits to down someone and in that time frame if they were to hit you with one dmr shot you could very well be dead from knockout or not having enough blood to begin with.

Thta why the first hit is so important.

I don't understand what your saying. Your saying that you'd have to pull out another weapon which is the whole point of carrying it in the first place because you can't take out someone with a DMR without crosshairs from 50m? Op didn't say you couldn't try he just wants it to remove the crosshairs nerfing this holy gun that the gods have made.

Im fine with that, i only play hardcoreservers btw.

Obviously im not going to pull the other weapon i am going to use what i have right there.

A DMR is an M14 for all intents and purposes. There is a reason why bolt action rifles are not used in this situation and semis are.

the reason i dont want super duper high-powered sniper rifles in the game is because they have made the mod into just another shooter.

I dont get the argument here? this is not a shooter game? i am very confused.

Having sniper rifles rule on a terrain set like chernarus is infact very realistic. Shooting mechanics need work though.

Wind deflection etc

Edited June 19, 2013 by BarryManalow