Large Caliber knockdown

[leviski 2152]

Alright

As the threads title suggest why not add in a knockdown effect at close range to certain weapons

for instance

shotguns should have this

anything that shoots a .45 ACP should have this

possibly a few other guns

Currently in 1.7.7 Revolvers are amazing Some wanker came after me with a hatchet and I shot him right in the leg with my revolver and he went down/knocked out

then tried crawling after me (we were in the upstairs of a elektro apartment near the supermarket) but zombies blocked him so he ran off/crawled away I believe

either way any ideas how something like this could be implemented

would you like to see it put into the game?

would you not like to see it?

/discuss

And before you go shouting willy nilly about realism guns defenetly knock you down in real life

unless its an AP round which would go right through you

and potentially still knock you down.

[methr1k2dop3 323]

Would definitely make the shotgun more viable.

I would like to see it with close range combat only.

Edited June 16, 2013 by methr1k2dop3

[leviski 2152]

Would definitely make the shotgun more viable.

I would like to see it with close range combat only.

of coarse

It would make the problem with a hatchet winning battles against people with guns as well fixed

[applejaxc 2500]

Realistically, a .45 to the leg or chest would knock you on your stomach/ass respectively, but most people would fine the M1911 overpowered.

[-Gews- 7443]

I'd prefer not to see it, too much personal bias involved, the energy of the bullet won't knock you down so it all comes down to "stopping power" and shock, and that's an issue people seem to have deeply entrenched views on, without any actual evidence to back it up ("this .45 round feels heavy in my palm", "this Tokarev has a hell of a muzzle blast", "this 9mm is shooting 124-grain +P+", "this .45 caliber round ball took down a doe at 90 yards", this 200-grain bullet will keyhole even at 600 fps").

I'd prefer they just stick to some kind of formula and adjust it if necessary, you're never going to be 100% accurate, but you may as well be 100% consistent.

If this was introduced (and I remember I suggested something like this a long time ago) it would have to be a percent-chance-per-caliber modified by the current velocity... not fair saying a 9x19 can't drop someone in one shot while a marginally more powerful round always does.

I don't even have 1.7.7 installed yet. I'm gonna go and see what they've done to the pistols.

[leviski 2152]

I'd prefer not to see it, too much personal bias involved, the energy of the bullet won't knock you down so it all comes down to "stopping power" and shock, and that's an issue people seem to have deeply entrenched views on, without any actual evidence to back it up ("this .45 round feels heavy in my palm", "this Tokarev has a hell of a muzzle blast", "this 9mm is shooting 124-grain +P+", "this .45 caliber round ball took down a doe at 90 yards", this 200-grain bullet will keyhole even at 600 fps").

I'd prefer they just stick to some kind of formula and adjust it if necessary, you're never going to be 100% accurate, but you may as well be 100% consistent.

If this was introduced (and I remember I suggested something like this a long time ago) it would have to be a percent-chance-per-caliber modified by the current velocity... not fair saying a 9x19 can't drop someone in one shot while a marginally more powerful round always does.

I don't even have 1.7.7 installed yet. I'm gonna go and see what they've done to the pistols.

they made them alot better

I feel safe walking around with my trusty revolver now

some asshole cant gank me with his axe now because my pistol does nothing for damage

-even though by this stage of the game I am somewhat of a master at headshots-

[methr1k2dop3 323]

they made them alot better

I feel safe walking around with my trusty revolver now

some asshole cant gank me with his axe now because my pistol does nothing for damage

-even though by this stage of the game I am somewhat of a master at headshots-

I haven't had the opportunity to come across a revolver since patch.

all i know is they didn't do shit and i would only pick it up kill a couple zombies then drop it.

[-Gews- 7443]

they made them alot better

I feel safe walking around with my trusty revolver now

some asshole cant gank me with his axe now because my pistol does nothing for damage

-even though by this stage of the game I am somewhat of a master at headshots-

Mmm better in terms of gameplay, even "realism" perhaps, but like I said I'm not a fan of inconsistencies.... if I was to modify one type of ammunition, I'd have to modify them all according to the same rules, whatever those may be.

Downloading now... dum dum dee, 40%... 65%... my best guess is they've gone back to the old 4500 damage for the 1911... I hope they haven't gone back to the old "9mm Makarov twice a powerful as 9mm Para"... la la la ♫

Anyways, while I'm thinking of it, the 7.62x51 weapons have this already... I remember shooting a few people with my CZ, from 300-700 m every single person I shot was knocked out in one shot, except one guy I hit in the leg (1/2 damage). Hmmm. Kind of different power levels than pistols though.

Okay, downloaded...

WHY DOES A MAKAROV DO OVER TWICE THE DAMAGE OF A 9MM PARABELLUM CHANGE THIS IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Xeiom 3]

I'm not sure if I clearly understand.

Do you want both people to be knocked back or just the opponent?

Either way I like the idea of realistic knock back, this is a simulator after all.

[terminal_boy 860]

Knockdown effect only happens in Hollywood movies.

Short of being hit by a .50 BMG or .577 Nitro Express bullet (one being designed to stop German tanks in WW1 and the other for stopping charging rhinos), you're not going to be thrown onto your arse due to a bullet impact.

[mr_chabowski@live.co.uk 2416]

Bullets are made to penetrate. They won't knock you back or send you flying, they go through you.

That doesn't mean you'd just stand and take it.

You'd be winded, weakened or otherwise forced to take a knee from WAY less injury than a gunshot, so it wouldn't be too unrealistic to leave you slightly stunned or stumbling briefly after you've eaten a couple of bullets.

Maybe throwing you on your rear is excessive, but knocking you off-balance definitely makes sense.

[enforcer1975 1111]

Anything will knock you down...if you want to knock down someone use a bat because the most effective way.

Any bullet powerful enough will most likely penetrate a target if you fire it close enough. Solid slugs will pass clean through in most cases. If a bullet passes it mean the energy it has hasn't been transfered into your body meaning you won't be feeling much of it nor will it throw you meters away like in hollywood movies. They already said the bullet power that throws the victim backwards is equal to the power the shooter feels. So if hollywood was true nobody would ever shoot a firearm ever because they would break their sholder the first time they fired it ( imagine something with a recoil 100 times more powerful than the gun in the youtube video and you know what i mean )

Any bullet that hits you and doesn't hit a vital area will cause pain and has the potential to make you incapable of fighting back.

Edited June 16, 2013 by Enforcer