Zombie Children YAY or NAY

[orb917@hotmail.com 117]

very yes, flesh hungry murderous children-monsters racing towards you while howling inhumanly is disturbing. plus they'd be harder to spot. potentially adds another level of emotional complexity to the game. plus with no female zombies, and no child zombies, chernarus evidently had some serious population growth issues. country was doomed to collapse before the infection even hit.

OT what about having military and police Zs occasionally utilize fire arms?

OT what about including more skins as loot, such as the priest, police uniform, or various civilian clothing?

using firearms doesn't seem consistent with current infect behavior to me, plus arma 2's AI is kinda aimhackish at times.

skins as loot? definitely. like this idea quite a bit actually.

[orb917@hotmail.com 117]

I say YAY. Rocket once mentioned that he saw a movie so disturbing that he got really upset with it, and upon later reflection respected it for making him feel so strongly. Lets do what Bethesda refused! Kill-able zombie children, terrifying and not to mention, heartbreaking.

I'm don't want the mod to turn into Human Centipede 2 or anything, but lets up the shock factor a bit shall we?

oh, and for the record, the movie was salo, here's the quote

[Tag (DayZ) 2]

YAY. I approve. Zombie children are scurry as shit, would defininately add to the game.

[DemonGroover 8836]

Though it is realistic to have zombie children i just dont think its worth the hassle. It wouldnt add anything substantially and would probably create unwanted controversy.

And the game would never get released in Australia!

[matt.gilmurray@gmail.com 46]

Are games allowed to have kill-able children? And I don't think Deadspace counts because there are alien-like children in the game.

[Grave -tm- 0]

Yes! Dawn of the Dead style! Super creepy.

[orb917@hotmail.com 117]

Are games allowed to have kill-able children? And I don't think Deadspace counts because there are alien-like children in the game.

these days i dunno. in fallout 2 you could kill pretty much everything though, children included. there's also mods for the pc version of fallout 3 that allow this behavior.

[amudkipz 46]

First of all, no there are already enough wierdos playing this game, secondly and on a more grim note, who do you think got eaten first?

also this is why

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/108065-Inside-the-Sick-Mind-of-a-School-Shooter-Mod

Edited July 13, 2012 by amudkipz

[Albatros (DayZ) 40]

You could kill nercro-babies in Dead Space and no one got offended at that, if anything killing zombie children should be less offensive, since they're older.

[SpaceLion 2]

It's illegal to kill a kid in a videogame, case closed.

We won't be the first ones to do it, seriously guys, why risking the forced shut off of a game by federal laws JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT A FUCKING KID SKIN INSTEAD OF THE NORMAL ZOMBIE.

I'm in this mod since it began, and since this game got popular the community is gone to shit with your stupid ideas. Thank you

[TheWeedMan 132]

Im a +1 for zombie children.

The games a zombie infested survival sim and needs a broader variant in infected. Personaly id like to see loads of different Kid, woman and male infected models added to add to the realism.

[DeadManDan 23]

Didn't jack thompson get disbarred for being the judicial equivalent of a stupid dick?

Also, NAY. Killing kids in games is a line in the game industry that would get a game banned all over the world. Zombie kids are a grey area though but still one dayZ might not wish to cross until they have at least established itself officially and included ugly half naked bitch zombies. Like how dead space 2 did.

Edited July 13, 2012 by DeadManDan

[lowerplains 0]

i could care less personally if it was implemented. its a zombie kid, and its a video game...big deal. if not, just add more zombie types, women, elderly etc. or just 'teen' lookin ones...

[Hetstaine 10852]

How could anyone be dense enough to suggest or endorse this idea?

We have differing tastes and opinions, let us come to blows over it, shall we?

1: Starting off light, some people don't enjoy shooting children even if they are zombies in a video game.

They can run and hide from them then. It's sandbox game after all.

2: Rocket would be shunned in the industry because...

This is technically a lead in to an actual reason. If you're listing reasons it's generally a good idea to count them properly.

3: ...Video games have long walked a fine line of narrowly avoiding being legislated (AKA having game devs' first amendment rights wholesale violated, see Australia) by self regulating (see ESRB which is largely just for show). Society draws a fine line at violence against children. Every time the censorship monster rears it's head it's because some idiot was playing Doom before he happened to kill some kids at his school (forget mentioning the 1000000 people who have played Doom and never killed anyone, they won't listen). If some 40y/o creep plays a game about killing child zombies then shoots up a school, it will likely be the last straw, and people know this.

So what you're suggestion is to live in fear of what other people think. We bury our heads in the sand like ostriches and eventually, someday, all by itself, gaming will be allowed to sit at the adult table with the film industry. At what point do we take control? When the Government gives the nod? When the news stops picking on us? Let them try to violate the rights of the game industry. Christ, if Larry Flynt and porn can win out over fucking nut jobs then so can we.

4: It adds nothing to the game. It would be shocking the first couple of times then add nothing to the game for the next 1000 times you play it.

I argue that it does add something to the game. All you think about is mindless zombie child shooting. When I imagine it, it's part of a bigger picture. We're playing on an engine that was never meant for such a game. The models are limited and generic, for now. I imagine A zombie bride to found around the churches now and again. I imagine a bit more set decoration. Not just body bags arbitrarily placed. Actual static corpses. I imagine a barricaded classroom at the school in Vybor, that when you enter, you see the almost skeletal remains of a teacher. Her rickety, wooden chair facing the carpet where her class of elementary school students died of starvation and thirst. She has a classic children's book in her lap. She read to them until the last moments. And you find all of this shit organically based on non intrusive visual clues in the environment. The outbreak happened too quickly, there was no time for anything.

These are things designed to make you FEEL shit. Emotion. I love the game in its current janky state, but to go from promise to star child I want to dig deeper than just "Can I trust this other person?". When most of us first got into this game it was about fresh stories that unfolded organically through the player. It's losing itself a little, and that's not the game's failing, it's ours as a gaming culture. Shoot shoot, bang bang. It's all most of us have known. We've been given freedom and we act out the same scenario. We were stuck on the rails and now the rails are stuck to us.

5: The mod changes from media darling "Oh isn't that cool, it's like a Walking Dead computer game." To "It's that disgusting game about killing children". Don't even try to explain they are zombies, the news media reported that the Norwegian mass murderer "trained in a shooting game called World of Warcraft." So congratulations WoW players you are now trained to shoot 100 people for no reason according to the media (and WoW is a shooter, coulda fooled me). Now imagine what happens when a game actually has you capping little kids...

When did we go from laughing at the media to hiding from it?

6: The game instantly becomes illegal in several countries and instantly becomes AO rated if it sees solo release (which will kill sales).

That's a battle right there, and one most certainly not to be shunned. Change is conflict. People avoid it, they get too comfortable in routine.

7: Kids' parents will hear about Dayz in the news media and make their kids stop playing it (and likely any other shooting video games, these moral panics tend to come in waves). Many will stop buying any shooting games for their kids (or any M rated games). The effects of having an open world game where shooting any representation of a child is an option, much less an integral part of gameplay, has likely repercussions for an entire billion dollar industry.

Good, things need to be shaken up now and again. Look at the music industry, churning out the same embarrassing child pop start over and over again. Great things happen when it's not all about money.

I could literally list 100 more reasons why this is the worst idea I've ever seen. I'm not even joking when I say you should be absolutely ashamed that you would share this mental shart with anyone. If I was project manager on a game, and someone opened their mouth with an idea that poorly thought out and they had thought about it long enough to write it down, I would seriously consider firing them on the spot...

I am really glad you are not a project manager, because in my opinion, such closed minds have little place in the forefront of the growth that the gaming industry need right now.

This will never ever EVER happen for a VERY GOOD reason. It would cast a shadow on the entire game industry. A sandbox game with shooting children? Why the hell would anyone ever consider that a good idea for a long enough time to actually post it, then people agree? You guys seriously need to get a grip on reality. I can't think of a quicker way for Rocket to completely destroy this entire project and his entire reputation. I hope he reads this thread as a reminder that most of the people on this forum don't have a blue's clue what is going on and that he should wash down all suggestions with a shaker full of salt...

The idea disgusted you and provoked a strong emotional response. It sounds like it belongs in this game more than ever to me.

Great post AfricanizedBees :thumbsup:

[LastManOnEarth 14]

I vote YES, definitely.

Would add a lot more relaism, creepiness and variety to the game (need female zombies, too, and different shapes, colors and sizes!).

[InsXicht 2]

It's illegal to kill a kid in a videogame, case closed.

We won't be the first ones to do it, seriously guys, why risking the forced shut off of a game by federal laws JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT A FUCKING KID SKIN INSTEAD OF THE NORMAL ZOMBIE.

I'm in this mod since it began, and since this game got popular the community is gone to shit with your stupid ideas. Thank you

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I see the headlines in the newspapers "crazy videogamers kill little children and rape there dead bodys!!"

if you know what the "Bild Zeitung" is, you know thet they will use something like thet. ^^

[thisisbleep 32]

I think that it should definitely be considered, it would make the game more dynamic because at the moment there is no variety to zombies.

As far as legal issues... Laws are not perfect or necessarily correct, they are made by men/women who have their own personal agenda. Media as a whole should try to push what is legal and more importantly what is moral.

[OrLoK 16182]

Hello there

I also think yes,

Don't forget us old folk too, so, all age ranges/sexes/creeds and colours should be included.

Will they be? I doubt it. Interesting debate though.

rgds

LoK

[Quagmire (DayZ) 119]

Personally, I hate children. I'm all for this.

Also if you want say no, I have an ageism card up my sleeve take that, legal system.

[Fiskbatch 6]

Aye!

[NoRegrets 495]

YAY !!!

Creepy Children always scare the eff out of me in every movie they are in ...

ITS NOT A BIG DEAL ... its a game ... i can see some negative reviews on this or some politicians naming the game a possible pedobear child molester rapist murderer training camp ... but oh well ... who cares ....

ITS A GAME ... lets shoot zombie kids ... grannies ... farmers, soldiers, priests, girls ...sexy girls ... everybody ... because everybody will turn in to a zombie ... eehhh infected ... in an infectalypse

[grizzle 21]

It'll never happen. But it wouldn't bother me one bit. IT'S NOT REAL.

Naysayers get a grip.

[DeadManDan 23]

I've changed my mind. I would like to see child zombies in the game. That way I can just horde them all together killing only the adults then lead them through the streets to rape any unsuspecting noobs.

Revenge of the children of cherno!

Edited July 13, 2012 by DeadManDan

[L33tmoaf 1]

It's illegal to kill a kid in a videogame, case closed.

We won't be the first ones to do it, seriously guys, why risking the forced shut off of a game by federal laws JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT A FUCKING KID SKIN INSTEAD OF THE NORMAL ZOMBIE.

I'm in this mod since it began, and since this game got popular the community is gone to shit with your stupid ideas. Thank you

Explain Dead Space 2 idiot. Nuff said.

Edited July 13, 2012 by L33tmoaf

[Devmagic 36]

I think the law has something to do with portraying violence towards children, not exactly killing them. If they're already dead then there should be no problem =)