Is using teamspeak 'cheating'?

[Blondedash 403]

what post?

Edited April 1, 2013 by nousernamehelp

[RayPugh 146]

i think im paraphrasing rocket when i say 'meta gaming is allowed'

[green_machine 179]

. Sure, it's more realistic to use "direct chat", but it's not practical at all.

DayZ Devs: Yeah, lets all be practical, see where that gets us.

Introduces radios.

(1 year of teamspeak)

(1 year later)

Yeah, lets just fuck it. Who wants a beer? I trained my Charizard to Lv87, Who wants a battle?

Edited April 1, 2013 by DaveZ

[Rage VG 4033]

hacking and cheating are two different things hacking finding weakness in code an exploiting it cheating exploiting a bug.

He said, "Hacking in things", thus referring to scripting. Scripting results in a ban.

I'm not sure what your point is.

Edited April 1, 2013 by Rage VG

[Target Practice (DayZ) 1335]

I use Teamspeak while I play with friends for convenience - even though it would be more 'realistic' to play without it and have to find my friends manually without any form of communication whatsoever, I wouldn't find that fun. I play DayZ to have fun, and being able to do so with friends increases that enjoyment, and at the moment, as there is currently no in-game way of communicating with them over long distance, I use Teamspeak to facilitate that.

Does that make me a 'cheater'? No, I don't think it does. I'm not using it to give myself an unfair advantage, and even if I did, it's not like it's not a free program that absolutely anyone can download and use.

The key argument here in my eyes is that dreaded 'realism' thing. DayZ has a fanatical following, and a section of those followers are folks who want the game to be utterly, hyper-realistic to the point ot essentially mirroring real life. For me, that's not a good thing. Sometimes to make a game enjoyable, slight concessions have to be made - in the movie industry, I believe it's called 'willing suspension of disbelief' - the audience know deep down that whatever's happening is implausible (if not outright impossible), but they let it slide because it's enjoyable. The problem is, the line is set at different places for different people, and a quick look in the 'Suggestions' forum will prove that far quicker than can with words - some people would quite happily see A-10s patrolling the skies and giant 'tank' zombies stalking the land. Others will fight tooth and nail to ensure that a broken bone is treated with more than just a shot of morphine because that simply isn't plausible in real life.

The issue is finding a happy medium that doesn't mortally offend too many people. Someone is always going to complain that the game wasn't tailored specifically to their own personal desires, but the more people you can get to say 'meh, I can live with that', the better. Personally, I currently see the use of Teamspeak in that category - sure, I'd prefer to have an in-game equivalent, but I can accept the fact that DayZ is a game and that as such, there are going to be concessions made.

[liquidmind 320]

Using TS certainly is not cheating. You do not change anything about the game to get a benefit of it.

But of course, a team who communicates over TS fighting a Team that uses only ingame-communication, has an unfair advantage.

As the Communication in the mod, let's face it, just sucks. I would not consider it cheating at the moment. As soon as the Communication ingame is so good, that there is no real need to switch to teamspeak, but people do it, to avoid being heard by others, than it is cheating. Masking your audio-profile is the same thing as masking your visual-profile by using an invisibility-hack.

But as long as the communicationsystem is as bad as it is now, it's metagaming.

[dulix11 731]

No, because cheating to me is a being a useless hacker fuck, ie: spawning stuff in, being invicible etc, where as teamspeaks only advantage is letting your friend know your location, guidance etc.

[green_machine 179]

Using TS certainly is not cheating. You do not change anything about the game to get a benefit of it.

Wrong Wrong Wrong. Derp.

You change the fact that other player cannot hear what you are saying in direct chat. You can shout out and talk all you want while other players cannot hear you.

If you heard another player.. he's talking to his friend...

You talk to your friend on TS as much as you want and you can get as close as you want to the other players...

LAZY. Pure Lazy Gamer.

You want it all, You Want it now. You want it the easiest way possible.

[green_machine 179]

No, because cheating to me is a being a useless hacker fuck, ie: spawning stuff in, being invicible etc, where as teamspeaks only advantage is letting your friend know your location, guidance etc.

It's an exploit. end of thread.

Nothing can be done to fix it.

Nothing the dev's can do about it.

Exploit.

[liquidmind 320]

Wrong Wrong Wrong. Derp.

You change the fact that other player cannot hear what you are saying in direct chat. You can shout out and talk all you want while other players cannot hear you.

If you heard another player.. he's talking to his friend...

You talk to your friend on TS as much as you want and you can get as close as you want to the other players...

I agree that this is a problem. Considering how messed up the system is, I don't see it as a cheat at the moment, because the ingame-system just isn't as usable for teamplay as it should be and the distance and volume you hear people in direct can vary.

I was one of the guys opening the "is TS cheating" discussion on reddit, arguing for it to be an unfair advantage, so I am entirely on your side. But considering what the ingame system is at the moment and that the zeds just go bonkers if you whisper over direct, I could not categorize it the same way as downloading and using hacksoftware.

Of course, it is an unfair advantage. But categorizing it as Cheating is as wrong as it is unfair. People use TS because they use TS in every game and don't even think about why they shouldn't use it in DayZ. But it's as much cheating as using a online-loot-map is. that part of "unfair advantage" where the grey-area covers both cheating and gameplay...

[Blindingsun 233]

It's an exploit. end of thread.

Nothing can be done to fix it.

Nothing the dev's can do about it.

Exploit.

it's not an exploit. the definition of exploit is something that allows an unfair advantage.

everyone can download skype or teamspeak and as thus its not unfair.

I spend all night on skype with family weather I'm playing or not. anyone who doesn't like it can go fudge themselves. spose Picking up the telephone and calling the person you're playing with is "exploiting" too? get over yourself.

Edited April 1, 2013 by Blindingsun

[green_machine 179]

it's not an exploit. the definition of exploit is something that allows an unfair advantage.

everyone can download skype or teamspeak and as thus its not unfair.

Well that'as true tbh. But i like to look out for the new and "core" players.

[Rage VG 4033]

Honestly, all I'm seeing from this thread is "It gives you an advantage, therefore it must be cheating." Confirm the unfair part and I'll bite.

Since some people don't seem to get the difference between unfair and unjust, I'll explain:

Unfair; A positive that others cannot take advantage of.

Unjust; A positive that others shouldn't be able to take advantage of.

Since you CAN use TS like everyone else, it is something others can take advantage of. Thus, it cannot be unfair​. You are right, the game was designed for people to use the ingame communication, so they shouldn't be doing it. Therefore it is unjust. Since cheating is defined as acting unfairly to gain an advantage (Note the distinct lack of the word "unjust"), we can deduce it's not cheating.

It's cheap, it's immersion-breaking, it's unjust.

[Blondedash 403]

well if laziness is a factor why don't we just say hey he's hacking because he is actually trying or was assed to actually install a program.

Edited April 1, 2013 by nousernamehelp

[liquidmind 320]

well if laziness is a factor why don't we just say hey he's hacking because he is actually trying or was assed to actually install a program.

But a Hack is a program, that actively changes another programs values. TS does nothing like that.

Saying TS is a hack, only shows lack of understanding about what a hack is.

[Blondedash 403]

goddamit I terrible at wording.

[eviljezza (DayZ) 39]

The only downside to it is breaking realism, now if the game had radios and had ACRE I would just use in-game radios.

[Blondedash 403]

But a Hack is a program, that actively changes another programs values. TS does nothing like that.

Saying TS is a hack, only shows lack of understanding about what a hack is.

a cheat if everyone was being lazy and one guy wasn't wouldn't that be cheating If someone was assed to install a program would it be cheating. TS isn't a cheat it is a privilege you get for not being lazy.

[Tumoa 359]

Here is how to "fix" this remove press to speak mic open at all times. Sure people hear you breath well this is how to fix it lower the mic settings. And its not cheating its unjust like rage sayed but its unfair to those who dont use these programs

[Rage VG 4033]

Here is how to "fix" this remove press to speak mic open at all times. Sure people hear you breath well this is how to fix it lower the mic settings. And its not cheating its unjust like rage sayed but its unfair to those who dont use these programs

But they're choosing not to use it. If I chose to not use guns, that's my problem, not everyone else's.

[MooneyS20 6]

Your friend is an absolute tool in other words.

[spankerfist 44]

I'd say YES. It's not part of the Arma 2 design and it gives off the same aura as Gamma hacking during the night (Ye its not hacking, i know).

It screws with the original design. It is un-natural.

Me and my friend use it, only because other do. WHICH IS SHIT, Caps intended. We like how the ambient coms work and until radios are added, we won't complain. It's just crap, we're denied the challenge and the chance to grow, in terms of experience and team work.

Teamspeak...Don't get me started. I could go on for days.

Surround a single player with team speak coms.

LEGIT.

Are you KO'd.. don't worry.. talk to your friends with physic powers and let them know you need help... because otherwise, you'll have to rely on team work...... team work means shit. Who has time for that????? I'm busy getting a 16 kill streak.............

EDIT: Oh, it's just a video game? You can do what you want. OK, I'll hack a few things to make myself have some advantage that others dont..... -_- ..... like teamspeak bitches!!!! woo!

I really hope you are trolling. Teamspeak ia on no way an exploit. You seem to have way to much time on if you find m8s without using teamspeak or steam chat.

[DemonGroover 8836]

TBH i think that Teamspeak and Skype, or any other 3rd party tool is an exploit. I wouldn't go far as to call it cheating but i can see where your friend is coming from.

An exploit is anything that can be used which isn't meant to be part of the game design. In DayZ Vanilla you aren't allowed to talk to someone in Sidechat because it is deemed unrealistic. You shouldn't be able to magically talk to someone that is on the other side of the map. But then again, you shouldn't be able to see around/over walls in 3rd person either.

However, it's a game and not being able to communicate with your friends would make the game unplayable to a lot of people.

Hopefully the implementation of radios in the SA will give players reason to try the in game communication options instead of using the psychic abilities of Skype/Teamspeak, but i really don't think it will.

It doesn't bother me tbh, i use them myself sometimes.

[Roark92 90]

first of all game would be way more fun if no one used teamspeak and there was a really well designed in game com system.

and it is an exploit, it maneuvers around a game mechanic that is design to limit the player... its an exploit because it takes a chunk of the game design and shoves it into obsolescence... it slaps the devs in the face when they spent time designing an in game com system that would be usable according to rules and sensible limitations such as distance and player-consciousness.

just because the majority believes something, doesnt mean it is the truth.

blatantly obvious that its exploitative, don't know how one can believe otherwise...

[Hetstaine 10852]

TS. Mirc, Skype etc..out of game comms have been around since the 90's...its a part of gaming basically. Like it or hate it but it is not going away because some think it is 'cheating' . :) I even introduced one guy to dayz via phone whilst in game because his skype/ts was terrible when trying to play as well.

When i game with my partner we are on ts or skype..we are definitely not going to sit down and not speak until we see each other in game. To me Its like 3dp, i dislike it as it has advantages over 1st but i do not use it, not because i am too stubborn, i simply do not like the view it gives me. Same with my partner, but it is pretty much an accepted part of most games.