Sawn-Off Shotgun

[dulix11 731]

Rocket has already mentioned a crafting system in the SA, so I think you should be able to make sawn-off shotguns by combining a saw (found in loot piles, uncommon) and a shotgun, any type. (Double barrel, model 1866, M1014 or a Remington.)

PROS:

- Used with one-hand

- Shorter, takes up less inventory room

- Bigger spread

- Excellent in close quarters

CONS:

- Louder

- More recoil

- Bigger Flash

- Shorter range

Thoughts?

[Cheese Grinder 91]

Rocket has already mentioned a crafting system in the SA, so I think you should be able to make sawn-off shotguns by combining a saw (found in loot piles, uncommon) and a shotgun, any type. (Double barrel, model 1866, M1014 or a Remington.)

PROS:

- Used with one-hand

- Shorter, takes up less inventory room

- Bigger spread

- Excellent in close quarters

CONS:

- Louder

- More recoil

- Bigger Flash

- Shorter range

Thoughts?

This is a no brainer, there will be a sawn-off shotgun. Try cumming up with something original if you want my beans.

[dulix11 731]

Will you be able to craft it?

[V2_Danny 48]

A sawn off Remington? How will you pump it?

[#Sleepy 572]

This is a no brainer, there will be a sawn-off shotgun. Try cumming up with something original if you want my beans.

It's funny cause he said "cum". Hah, I'm a child... T_T

Edited February 27, 2013 by #Sleepy

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

I thought i would mention that a sawn off shotgun still has the same recoil as it's unsawn counterpart. the point of a sawn off shotgun is to make it less bulky to carry (under a coat).

Edited February 27, 2013 by Lady Kyrah

[sp86 508]

I thought i would mention that a sawn off shotgun still has the same recoil as it's unsawn counterpart. the point of a sawn off shotgun is to make it less bulky to carry (under a coat).

Irrespective of what its purpose is shortening a shotgun's barrel has the ancillary effect of increasing its recoil.

[tommes 331]

A sawn off Remington? How will you pump it?

You attach the saw to the pump handle and will be an close range killing machine! Unless zu lose your fingers first of course.

[Serious Stan 202]

1866 is not a shotgun!! omg...

[[email protected] 93]

who would want to shorten anything but the double barreled shotty? you loose ammo capacity that way... and any usefulness except for extremely close range

- Used with one-hand - huh, would like to see that IRL

could use the pistol slot though

edit: another one, this one is def 12g

Edited February 27, 2013 by Xul

[Mitunzz 90]

It's funny cause he said "cum". Hah, I'm a child... T_T

I noticed that too, but thought it'd be too childish to mention it. Thanks for mentioning it for me :P

[lil_hunters 2]

i think it would be great if the sawn-off would go into the side arm slot so its like pistol, also mabye it could be be craftable, with a saw (obviously) and a double barrel shotgun.

[-Gews- 7443]

I'm sure taking a hacksaw to a Benelli's gas system is going to end up well...

[colekern 1364]

I'm sure taking a hacksaw to a Benelli's gas system is going to end up well...

Here's a hundred bucks. Make it happen.

[[email protected] 2416]

Sawing through a tube-fed shotgun is going to make it useless, but you should still be able to do it.

It'd be funny.

You really should be able to make a sawed-off though, but only from a double-barrel.

I remember going on about it when the crafting idea was first brought up.

Sawn-offs and Molotovs are the first 2 things I think of when "crafting" gets mentioned.

EDIT:

Sidearm slot +1

1866 is not a shotgun!! omg...

They should add a 1901 as a rare spawn.

Lever-action is badass. B)

Edited March 23, 2013 by Chabowski

[Trizzo 632]

Funny...never thought of a sawn off, i like it it. Double/single barrel varients only. Find a tool box to craft it with a hacksaw that would be it.

+1 as a sidearm slot, that would give it more enticing reason to exist/use it, make it the most powerful side arm. 1 hit KO within how far? Mad Max styling...oh yeah.

Irrespective of what its purpose is shortening a shotgun's barrel has the ancillary effect of increasing its recoil.

There is recoil and kick. The feeling of the kick increases in sawn off because the shotgun usally can't be braced against the shoulder (because there is no foregrip/barrel to grip) The overall weight of the gun is reduced which makes it kick back harder. It recoils the same but the kick is felt more. The heavier the gun the slower it accelerates backwards.

Edited March 23, 2013 by Trizzo

[Trizzo 632]

dbl post

Edited March 23, 2013 by Trizzo

[Sutinen 635]

It should not be one-handed, BUT you should be able to cut the barrel of the DB and then recrown it with some tools. There you go.

[Draco122 412]

One thing I will say, we don't know the full extent of what kind of shotguns are going to be in Standalone, for all intents and purposes we may see new variants introduced besides those introduced in the mod.

I for one support Sawn Off Shotguns, of course I believe they should function mostly with "Civilian" varieties, some examples include:

Sawn Off Over & Under, same concept as a Sawn Off Side by Side, just different appearance

Sawn Off Remington 870 Express, a civilian hunting shotgun, normally limited to 4-5 rounds, just simply cut the barrel down a bit more and remove the stock, there you go one sawn off

Same concept as above, yet with a Semi-auto shotgun, often the same with just 4-5 rounds

[-Gews- 7443]

Well, I don't have anything against sawn-off shotguns per se, but they need to shake a lot more when aiming, they should have less muzzle velocity (something ArmA doesn't currently take into account), and they should have a lot (a lot) more recoil.

Spread should remain the same as a normal shotgun. Shot already spreads far too much as it is, but I don't think that can be easily changed. The spread isn't really affected until you chop the barrel down to ridiculously short lengths, either. It remains roughly the same for gaming purposes down to about 12 inches of barrel or even less...

I don't think they should take up a "secondary" slot, either, shotguns, sawn-off or not, aren't typically something someone uses as a backup gun. :huh:

Edit: also, sawn-off shotguns are sawn off to make them smaller, in order to hide them from the cops. There are no cops in Chernarus... I can see someone sawing down the double-barrel to about 18 inches or so for portability, especially maneuvering it in vehicles, but I don't see someone doing a Mad Max style shotgun pistol when there's no need to hide it from the police. A stock is important!

The semi-auto and pump shotguns in the game are already quite short enough, with 18-inch barrels, never mind the feasibility of cutting them down. Sawing a pump shotgun down would also reduce the magazine capacity, depending on how many rounds it held to start with.

Still, I'm not opposed to being able to saw off shotguns provided unsuitable shotguns can't be sawn-off, and it isn't handled in a "Hollywood" fashion with exaggerated spread and one-handed use.

Edited March 23, 2013 by Gews

[[email protected] 2416]

The idea of storing them in a "secondary" slot makes sense in terms of space taken up and suitability for certain situations.

It adds choice based purely on preference with the decision between a shotty and a pistol/machinepistol;

It's not a "sidearm" in the strictest sense, but the shorter barrel means it takes up less space, so you'd be able to stick it in a belt on your back/across your chest or just hook it under your shoulder (crafting holsters, maybe?) and even possibly strap it to your leg (if it was chopped RIDICULOUSLY short).

Choosing a sawed-off double-barrel over a glock, for example, would mean you have a decently large spread and greater chance of damage, but only 2 shots MAX, lower effective range and it would take a fair bit longer to draw.

It wouldn't be used one-handed (broken wrist ahoy), but it would be small(ish), accessible, and a decent backup weapon (PDW) for someone who primarily uses mid-long range rifles.

Alternatively, it'd be VERY useful for fighting indoors, if weapon handling ever gets adjusted.

Also, it'd make single-shot and double-barrelled shotguns more useful.

[-Gews- 7443]

I agree it would make sense from a gameplay perspective, but I don't see anyone doing that in real life...

A shotgun is big! There was a Witness Protection style "whippet" offered a while ago, I forget by who but the picture comes up when I Google it:

That thing probably still weighs 5.5-6 lbs and is two feet long, and they only used it because it could be hid under a jacket. I just don't see someone carrying a rifle and then carrying a freakin' shotgun on top of that! In their bag, fine, but as a sidearm it's way too Arnold for me. :lol:

[Death_Dealer 3155]

Must do this in the SA. I hope they add motorcycles.

[DMC14 46]

A sawn off Remington? How will you pump it?

its do able it just not much of a sawn off. its more like a shortening of the barrel. otherwise u loose ammo capacity wich i think is more important then being able to conceal it in this game.

sawn off double barrel though = awesome.

Edited March 24, 2013 by DMC14

[[email protected] 2416]

I agree it would make sense from a gameplay perspective, but I don't see anyone doing that in real life.

I know we all like to disregard ideas for being unrealistic, but I feel this case lands somewhere amidst balance, authenticity and practicality.

I mean it wouldn't necessarily be the first thing you'd think to do in that situation IRL, but it would certainly be an option.