Ethics of the common player

[Uuni 74]

No that right there is the attitude that MAKES people KoS. Instead of playing the (if you cant beat em join em) game. Why dont you tough it out like a legitimate player and take your death... Let them be the douche.

The problem with dayz is the recent swarm of console players (usually underage children) that have migrated to PC in the last few months. Playing nothing but KoS multiplayer shooters on xbox and ps3 has made these kids and players impatient. DayZ is a slow paced survival game. When you throw impatient players into a game like that you simply get players who KoS.

English is not my first language, pardon me. KoS WAS the attitude back then. I haven't played in a month or so. I was talking about times back in August-September

Edited February 25, 2013 by Uuni

[hatfieldcw 184]

One of my pet peeves in DayZ is when someone makes a big deal about whether or not they had geared up before they got killed. A guy on the coast with a patrol pack and a bandage is not a "new player". ninety-nine times out of a hundred, he's an experienced player with plenty of hours logged in DayZ, and there's no telling what he's capable of or inclined toward, so approaching him is only safer than approaching a geared player in the most immediate and superficial way. As a fresh spawn, I'm swiveling my head and looking for signs of other players during the roughly five minutes it generally takes me to find a primary weapon, and once I have a rifle, if I can remember where I saw a car or a tent or a guy with a nice backpack, that may well be my next stop.

With regard to KoS, it's a jungle out there, and without side chat you have to be well within most player's sphere of influence before you can make peaceful contact with them, which means you'll be dead before you can introduce yourself almost every time. KoS breeds KoS, and I can think of several times when I've hidden in a bush at the first sign of players, then opened up on them at 200m (well outside communication range) if they look like they're headed my way. Three guys with military rifles traveling together will almost always shoot you rather than risk leaving you armed and behind them. Side chat, I think, fixed a lot of this. It broke immersion to a degree, to be sure, but being able to say, "Hey, guy running West through Prigorodky! You wanna come bloodbag me?" or, "Hey, if anyone's working on this Huey in Elektro, I've got three pieces of glass in my pack," facilitated a lot of peaceful, cooperative interactions.

As to the hero skin: With few exceptions, a hero skin only indicates that the "hero" plays with a pre-made squad that enjoys farming humanity. It takes days or weeks to come by a hero skin helping strangers, and about ten minutes to farm one. If I see a hero skin unarmed on the coast, I know that guy is probably serious business and almost certainly on Teamspeak or Skype or something with a group that is coming to pick him up in an offroad truck or chopper and give him his M249 back. If he doesn't see me, I beat feet, and if he does, I shoot him, then beat feet.

[gamerman001 182]

Allowing yourself to get killed doesn't make you a "legitimate player".

I'm really getting tired of people going around trying to befriend everyone they run into, then complaining on the forums that they get killed. Tired of getting killed for coming off too nice? Do something about it.

Constantly complaining about it isn't going to change the game, so stop trying to force one way of playing on everyone and just enjoy the game for what it is.

theres a difference between going around approaching every player as if they are friendly and being a total nub, And approaching players with caution. Im not going to carry this conversation on any further with you because you are obviously naive and didnt understand what I was saying.

[gamerman001 182]

I have my own code of conducts when it comes to being a bandit. Shooting an unarmed player is generally a dick move to me. Unless it's a rival or someone I know will kill me given the chance, I don't shoot them.

you sir, know how to bandit PROPERLY. (Round of applause and beans for you)

[plrsniper 87]

That's the thing.You'll always be able to do something about it if they try anything. And you could just have told him that you wanted to go on your own.

Imagine a server where killing an unarmed player was a bannable offense. If there was such a server i would join it with one purpose in mind.

To cause as much damage as i possibly can without having a weapon.

You see, you don't need a weapon to survive in DayZ. And you don't need a weapon to be dangerous to other players.

You don't need a weapon to fix vehicles, you don't need a weapon to drive them.

I would steal vehicles from other players and if they shot me then i would report them for killing unarmed players and have them banned. (The ultimate kill?)

...

NO!

DayZ is a dark place. It's a sandbox.

You are free to do whatever you want and that does indeed include KoS and spawn camping.

I have no issues with being shot at 1 minute after i spawn. I even thrive in that environment. I know someone might be out to kill me the moment i spawn so i take the proper precautions and make a proper effort instead of assuming i will not be a target until i carry a weapon of worth.

I have told this story elsewhere but i will tell it here as well.

---

I spawned in Drakon, 500 meters east of Elektro and made my way into town. Upon reaching the school and entering it (my first destination, 2-3 minutes alive) i came face to face with another player who was fielding a Lee Enfield.

I promptly do a 180 and run out the door at which point the other player shoots but misses. From here on out he decides to hunt me down as i move erratically north behind the couple of houses between the school and power station. Even with this erratic movements i made he manages to land a shot in my back.

I know very well i don't have time to bandage myself and he is too close to me to shake off so i turn back around and am now running circles around him. He empties one of his mags but doesn't manage to hit me as i do the death dance around him, all while bleeding like a stuck pig.

He runs to the store to avoid the zombies and i keep following him. Once inside the store he takes position behind the counter and i block his path while changing positions as much as i possibly can to avoid getting hit.

Zombies enter through the back door and starts hitting him, now he really panics and empties his last clip and then somehow manages to squeeze past me, running out the front door of the store.

I noticed as i entered the store earlier that a winchester lay on the floor of the store. I use this brief moment of safety to pick it up and now the hunter becomes the hunted. He makes it as far as back to the school before i break his leg and pop another 3 rounds into his spine.

I bandage, have nearly zero blood left and manages to find some food and drink and leave the area to meet up with my friends. That character survived for 16 days after that.

My point is, if you can't deal with being shot at as an unarmed player then you will continue dying and the only way to survive is to adapt and overcome the hurdles.

If you can't survive being shot at with a Lee Enfield what makes you think you would survive being shot at by any other player anywhere else?

DayZ is a dark place and your survival is entirely based on your abilities to adapt and overcome all obstacles that will face you. Including other players who will shoot at you the moment they see you!

...

On a side note, i have killed many other players who had better gear than myself.

I have made combacks against ghillied AS50 snipers using nothing more than a makarov. It is my most effective way to gear back up after getting killed.

I have survived encounters with groups of players fielding a DMR, MK48, M249 SAW and M16 running away from them erratically as they empty magazine after magazine, clip after clip and box after box of munitions at me.

The only times i die is when i am not paying attention and doing stupid noob mistakes i shouldn't make.

And you will find that surviving KoS players and spawn killers will become much less of a problem when you learn to PvP.

Edited February 25, 2013 by X0TCadde

[aussiebobby 82]

I was playing as a fresh spawn today. I was in a hero skin and i was unarmoured and had nothing of value on me.

I got shot 2 times within 10mins.

Why do people play DayZ like it was call of duty?

Why do people feel the need to shoot a player who cannot harm oneself?

And what is a hero skin worth if you get shot on sight regardless?

I'm not saying you shouldn't play as a bandit. They are what makes this game good. Just be reasonable.

This is just written in a hope that just some default skin players would consider keeping their hands of the trigger and just think for a sec.

Hopefully players will have changed their play style when the standalone comes.

Cheers!

I just got sniped today after 54 day run.

So I went back to my body and they hadn't touched a thing.Just sniped for something to do .

[Sabre (DayZ) 4]

Actually the whole KoS crap wasn't really a problem back when DayZ was still unknown to the common gamer. I remember back then Survivors generally helped or avoided each other. They rarely shot on sight unless you had the bandit skin and teaming up was generally not a problem. Then DayZ became known outside the Armaverse and the CoD and BF crowd happened...

[unkillable94 149]

No that right there is the attitude that MAKES people KoS. Instead of playing the (if you cant beat em join em) game. Why dont you tough it out like a legitimate player and take your death... Let them be the douche.

The problem with dayz is the recent swarm of console players (usually underage children) that have migrated to PC in the last few months. Playing nothing but KoS multiplayer shooters on xbox and ps3 has made these kids and players impatient. DayZ is a slow paced survival game. When you throw impatient players into a game like that you simply get players who KoS.

First of all, fuck you for perpetuating the hate. There are indeed people like that here but as a former console player you are being a complete douche. I played CoD since the first one, I've played Battlefield since 1942, and I've played just about every other shooter out there but never once have I fired unprovoked to kill.

Quite the opposite, I'm one of the people trying to turn people away from KoS by trusting people. Has it gotten me killed? Fuck yes. Have I lost gear? Fuck yes. Do I regret it? Not a chance in hell. I'll walk up to someone and lower my weapon to show my intent while talking to them over direct, and in the last month I've gone from a 100% death rate to about 60%. If I can get one bambi to stop the cycle of be killed > kill then I've done my job. If I can prevent one bambi sniping prick from going down that road, its all worth it.

[Target Practice (DayZ) 1335]

First of all, fuck you for perpetuating the hate. There are indeed people like that here but as a former console player you are being a complete douche. I played CoD since the first one, I've played Battlefield since 1942, and I've played just about every other shooter out there but never once have I fired unprovoked to kill.

Quite the opposite, I'm one of the people trying to turn people away from KoS by trusting people. Has it gotten me killed? Fuck yes. Have I lost gear? Fuck yes. Do I regret it? Not a chance in hell. I'll walk up to someone and lower my weapon to show my intent while talking to them over direct, and in the last month I've gone from a 100% death rate to about 60%. If I can get one bambi to stop the cycle of be killed > kill then I've done my job. If I can prevent one bambi sniping prick from going down that road, its all worth it.

Take my beans and also have my babies.

[Fortune_Finder 33]

One of my pet peeves in DayZ is when someone makes a big deal about whether or not they had geared up before they got killed. A guy on the coast with a patrol pack and a bandage is not a "new player". ninety-nine times out of a hundred, he's an experienced player with plenty of hours logged in DayZ, and there's no telling what he's capable of or inclined toward, so approaching him is only safer than approaching a geared player in the most immediate and superficial way. As a fresh spawn, I'm swiveling my head and looking for signs of other players during the roughly five minutes it generally takes me to find a primary weapon, and once I have a rifle, if I can remember where I saw a car or a tent or a guy with a nice backpack, that may well be my next stop.

With regard to KoS, it's a jungle out there, and without side chat you have to be well within most player's sphere of influence before you can make peaceful contact with them, which means you'll be dead before you can introduce yourself almost every time. KoS breeds KoS, and I can think of several times when I've hidden in a bush at the first sign of players, then opened up on them at 200m (well outside communication range) if they look like they're headed my way. Three guys with military rifles traveling together will almost always shoot you rather than risk leaving you armed and behind them. Side chat, I think, fixed a lot of this. It broke immersion to a degree, to be sure, but being able to say, "Hey, guy running West through Prigorodky! You wanna come bloodbag me?" or, "Hey, if anyone's working on this Huey in Elektro, I've got three pieces of glass in my pack," facilitated a lot of peaceful, cooperative interactions.

As to the hero skin: With few exceptions, a hero skin only indicates that the "hero" plays with a pre-made squad that enjoys farming humanity. It takes days or weeks to come by a hero skin helping strangers, and about ten minutes to farm one. If I see a hero skin unarmed on the coast, I know that guy is probably serious business and almost certainly on Teamspeak or Skype or something with a group that is coming to pick him up in an offroad truck or chopper and give him his M249 back. If he doesn't see me, I beat feet, and if he does, I shoot him, then beat feet.

I'm sorry, but if you can't control the situation when you meet an unarmed player, experienced or not, then you're quite bad at the game.

In regards to the KoS i agree,

[Fortune_Finder 33]

Imagine a server where killing an unarmed player was a bannable offense. If there was such a server i would join it with one purpose in mind.

To cause as much damage as i possibly can without having a weapon.

You see, you don't need a weapon to survive in DayZ. And you don't need a weapon to be dangerous to other players.

You don't need a weapon to fix vehicles, you don't need a weapon to drive them.

I would steal vehicles from other players and if they shot me then i would report them for killing unarmed players and have them banned. (The ultimate kill?)

...

NO!

DayZ is a dark place. It's a sandbox.

You are free to do whatever you want and that does indeed include KoS and spawn camping.

I have no issues with being shot at 1 minute after i spawn. I even thrive in that environment. I know someone might be out to kill me the moment i spawn so i take the proper precautions and make a proper effort instead of assuming i will not be a target until i carry a weapon of worth.

I have told this story elsewhere but i will tell it here as well.

---

I spawned in Drakon, 500 meters east of Elektro and made my way into town. Upon reaching the school and entering it (my first destination, 2-3 minutes alive) i came face to face with another player who was fielding a Lee Enfield.

I promptly do a 180 and run out the door at which point the other player shoots but misses. From here on out he decides to hunt me down as i move erratically north behind the couple of houses between the school and power station. Even with this erratic movements i made he manages to land a shot in my back.

I know very well i don't have time to bandage myself and he is too close to me to shake off so i turn back around and am now running circles around him. He empties one of his mags but doesn't manage to hit me as i do the death dance around him, all while bleeding like a stuck pig.

He runs to the store to avoid the zombies and i keep following him. Once inside the store he takes position behind the counter and i block his path while changing positions as much as i possibly can to avoid getting hit.

Zombies enter through the back door and starts hitting him, now he really panics and empties his last clip and then somehow manages to squeeze past me, running out the front door of the store.

I noticed as i entered the store earlier that a winchester lay on the floor of the store. I use this brief moment of safety to pick it up and now the hunter becomes the hunted. He makes it as far as back to the school before i break his leg and pop another 3 rounds into his spine.

I bandage, have nearly zero blood left and manages to find some food and drink and leave the area to meet up with my friends. That character survived for 16 days after that.

My point is, if you can't deal with being shot at as an unarmed player then you will continue dying and the only way to survive is to adapt and overcome the hurdles.

If you can't survive being shot at with a Lee Enfield what makes you think you would survive being shot at by any other player anywhere else?

DayZ is a dark place and your survival is entirely based on your abilities to adapt and overcome all obstacles that will face you. Including other players who will shoot at you the moment they see you!

...

On a side note, i have killed many other players who had better gear than myself.

I have made combacks against ghillied AS50 snipers using nothing more than a makarov. It is my most effective way to gear back up after getting killed.

I have survived encounters with groups of players fielding a DMR, MK48, M249 SAW and M16 running away from them erratically as they empty magazine after magazine, clip after clip and box after box of munitions at me.

The only times i die is when i am not paying attention and doing stupid noob mistakes i shouldn't make.

And you will find that surviving KoS players and spawn killers will become much less of a problem when you learn to PvP.

You can just shoot the damn unarmed player if he tries anything that might harm you. But chances are that he won't be a nuisance to you, so why shoot? It's not like he will turn dangerous in an instant. Then it's your own fault for not stopping him, you'll have plenty of time.

And you meeting a KoS who was a noob isn't an argument for being a KoS as well. You might not be as lucky as you were every time and thus face a noob.

[Fortune_Finder 33]

Actually the whole KoS crap wasn't really a problem back when DayZ was still unknown to the common gamer. I remember back then Survivors generally helped or avoided each other. They rarely shot on sight unless you had the bandit skin and teaming up was generally not a problem. Then DayZ became known outside the Armaverse and the CoD and BF crowd happened...

You can see people arguing that KoS is the right way to play on this topic as well.

Hopefully there will be some changes to gameplay in the future that might force more people to act differently. Although you can never get completely free of douche bags.

[Fortune_Finder 33]

First of all, fuck you for perpetuating the hate. There are indeed people like that here but as a former console player you are being a complete douche. I played CoD since the first one, I've played Battlefield since 1942, and I've played just about every other shooter out there but never once have I fired unprovoked to kill.

Quite the opposite, I'm one of the people trying to turn people away from KoS by trusting people. Has it gotten me killed? Fuck yes. Have I lost gear? Fuck yes. Do I regret it? Not a chance in hell. I'll walk up to someone and lower my weapon to show my intent while talking to them over direct, and in the last month I've gone from a 100% death rate to about 60%. If I can get one bambi to stop the cycle of be killed > kill then I've done my job. If I can prevent one bambi sniping prick from going down that road, its all worth it.

It's just because people play AS they would do in those games. Of course not every CoD/BF player will be a KoS.

[Fortune_Finder 33]

Take my beans and also have my babies.

Eeeeew. What if you are both men? :P Just kiddin'

[unkillable94 149]

It's just because people play AS they would do in those games. Of course not every CoD/BF player will be a KoS.

Yes, but the arrogant prick I was responding to essentially blamed all of DayZ's problems on gamers transfering from consoles to PC.

[misterwit 118]

I was playing as a fresh spawn today. I was in a hero skin and i was unarmoured and had nothing of value on me.

I got shot 2 times within 10mins.

Why do people play DayZ like it was call of duty?

Why do people feel the need to shoot a player who cannot harm oneself?

And what is a hero skin worth if you get shot on sight regardless?

I'm not saying you shouldn't play as a bandit. They are what makes this game good. Just be reasonable.

This is just written in a hope that just some default skin players would consider keeping their hands of the trigger and just think for a sec.

Hopefully players will have changed their play style when the standalone comes.

Cheers!

1: You could be armed and just have the gun in your pack. That means you could draw on me at any moment.

2: You could be an annoying noob who won't shut up. I don't want to get spotted with my nice gear so I probably don't want to talk.

3: Dead people can't help their friends on skype as much as living people.

4: You are probably a loot-hungry bastard who's going to take everything in the next town, so I'm going to shoot you after if not before anyway.

5: People getting trolled on the coast summons badasses with helicopters if you do it enough. I enjoy summoning badasses. They drop helicopters.

[wooly-back-jack 294]

most bandits I see on my server just log in, log out, hours pass, log in, kill someone, log out, day passes, log in, kill 2 people, log out..and its usually in the timeframe of the combat indicator to stop flashing that they log out/change server. What is the fecking point? does this make you some leet bandit god that everybody fears? ? NO, just makes them a bit lame tbh, if you are going to be a bandit then stick around and be a bandit, not a shitbag who disconnects/swaps servers.

[hatfieldcw 184]

I'm sorry, but if you can't control the situation when you meet an unarmed player, experienced or not, then you're quite bad at the game.

I'm not sure what this means. It's difficult for me to imagine a situation in which an armed player "controls the situation" when they meet me and I'm unarmed other than shooting me. What does a player who's quite good at the game do to control the situation upon meeting an unarmed player?

[Xianyu 820]

I'm not sure what this means. It's difficult for me to imagine a situation in which an armed player "controls the situation" when they meet me and I'm unarmed other than shooting me. What does a player who's quite good at the game do to control the situation upon meeting an unarmed player?

Order the unarmed guy about? He's unarmed. What's he gonna do, scream over the mic?

'don't move or I'll drop you'. 'turn around and run away.' 'there's an axe in that barn back there, you follow me, you die.'

And if he doesn't do exactly as you say? You shoot him. There. Situation controlled.

[Tek (DayZ) 95]

You can see people arguing that KoS is the right way to play on this topic as well.

Hopefully there will be some changes to gameplay in the future that might force more people to act differently. Although you can never get completely free of douche bags.

People aren't arguing "for" KoS per se. It's more along the lines of people can choose to play as they want. It is up to you to be ready for any and all situations that may arise. This may include a KoS player.

Unless you bought Arma II for another player, you CANNOT tell that player how to play. So if someone wants to sit and shoot at people in Electro spawning, THAT IS THEIR CHOICE. You can then choose to run away, stand and let him shoot you, hunt him down, or make yourself hard to hit. The choice is yours.

That is what a sandbox is.

[Fortune_Finder 33]

1: You could be armed and just have the gun in your pack. That means you could draw on me at any moment.

2: You could be an annoying noob who won't shut up. I don't want to get spotted with my nice gear so I probably don't want to talk.

3: Dead people can't help their friends on skype as much as living people.

4: You are probably a loot-hungry bastard who's going to take everything in the next town, so I'm going to shoot you after if not before anyway.

5: People getting trolled on the coast summons badasses with helicopters if you do it enough. I enjoy summoning badasses. They drop helicopters.

1. And you could have shot me at any point if I tried anything. People are too afraid of that sort of stuff.

2. I wasn't. If I was though I would have given you the right to shoot me. But why assume before it even happens?

3. True. But they can't help you either.

4. Dude seriously your fear of unarmed players is overrated. And violence breeds violence.

5. That's just garbage.

[Fortune_Finder 33]

I'm not sure what this means. It's difficult for me to imagine a situation in which an armed player "controls the situation" when they meet me and I'm unarmed other than shooting me. What does a player who's quite good at the game do to control the situation upon meeting an unarmed player?

Well there's no need to assume that the unarmed player is up to do damage. That's why you shouldn't shoot him. But if he does you could just shoot him. And if he's just being a nuisance tell him to go away - after all you are the man with a gun.

[Fortune_Finder 33]

Order the unarmed guy about? He's unarmed. What's he gonna do, scream over the mic?

'don't move or I'll drop you'. 'turn around and run away.' 'there's an axe in that barn back there, you follow me, you die.'

And if he doesn't do exactly as you say? You shoot him. There. Situation controlled.

My thoughts exactly :)

[Fortune_Finder 33]

People aren't arguing "for" KoS per se. It's more along the lines of people can choose to play as they want. It is up to you to be ready for any and all situations that may arise. This may include a KoS player.

Unless you bought Arma II for another player, you CANNOT tell that player how to play. So if someone wants to sit and shoot at people in Electro spawning, THAT IS THEIR CHOICE. You can then choose to run away, stand and let him shoot you, hunt him down, or make yourself hard to hit. The choice is yours.

That is what a sandbox is.

I have no problem with people running amok killing people, if that's how they want to play. Unless they are unarmed, that is. (or use hacks)

[Dreams_Of_Cheese (DayZ) 71]

I wouldn't want to play a game where unarmed players were treated like kings. Everyone should be entitled to their playstyle in a sandbox game, whether or not it pisses off people. I don't want to play a DayZ where I can run through Cherno and not have to worry about snipers or pvp, because I don't have a gun. Being a newspawn is about avoiding combat, not diving through it with immortality.