1st v 3dp - zones

[Hetstaine 10852]

Could not find this , maybe i searched like a noob, maybe i need more coffee, maybe i need you baby.

Sniper areas and the standard pvp spots can be 1st only zones- but will employ a height map type deal for these zones . Once you enter the red area and above a certain height you are restricted to 1st-totally. You will still have 3dp for trolling around elektro streets but as soon as you jump on a ladder, a set of stairs or anything above ground level 1st locks in. You want to go snipe from any of the vantage points looking down on Elektro, Cherno, Balota, Stary etc you are in 1st mode.

Major firefight spots with barracks could be different insofar as they can have a zone around them where they are ONLY 1st so then anyone sitting just off the runway will have to employ the same view as old mate trying to get into the field cautiously through a treeline. He will not have to worry about someone kicking back in 3dp viewing the complete area with a godlike view. Dodgy map below as a basic reference.

Idea is just that and would of course need to be refined as i can see a few flaws already, but thats the basics. Thoughts ?

[Steak and Potatoes 13480]

Brilliant now come play with me!!!!

[Clumzy (DayZ) 377]

It's an interesting idea, but I still don't think it will make everyone happy. Beans anyway, because it's original.

[Hetstaine 10852]

HA! hey broseph x waiting for some net for the 21st man..6 more days of pain !

[Steak and Potatoes 13480]

HA! hey broseph x waiting for some net for the 21st man..6 more days of pain !

My heart yearns clear out that pm box so I may serenate thy ears

[Shadow Man 142]

Well its a new idea which is good. Not sure how well it would actually work. What about sniper hill? What do you call ground level? The most obvious problem would be unexpected changing from 3rd to 1st.

Bah! Just get rid of 3rd.

[Guest]

There are two main complaints regarding 1st and 3rd view, as I could see on the dev topic:

1st person: FOV not high enough to mimic real life

3rd person: gives advantage of seeing around corners/walls etc.

Both these problems are NOT solved by your solution. But good try, though.

Specially the second problem, with the standalone having all buildings enterable, most of them not on the marked areas.

And any building that one player can hide, he would be pissed if another player outside could figure out that he's inside by the use of 3rd person. This could happen literally in any building in the standalone.

And the first problem looks like it is being solved already, we saw screenshots of the SA showing a FOV bar. Let's wait and see.

[sausagekingofchicago 4711]

Not a bad idea but Shadow Man is right. It'll just force the lice into the hills and forcing third person in major areas like the NWAF would probably bring out the pitchforks.

[Hetstaine 10852]

Sniper hill and all high vantage points around the high pvp areas will fall into the height zone allowing only 1st. I feel 3d should still play a part in standard game form , youtubers are going to want it, movie makers, screenshot takers, looking at your chars fancy clothes etc.

The main deal i think everyone wants is to eliminate the advantage 3dp has particularly in high pvp spots where even a noob can play god if he is sitting on top of say the hospital or admin building in Elektro.

[Clumzy (DayZ) 377]

1st person: FOV not high enough to mimic real life

Double-tapping - gives you a wider field of view than 3rd person already.

[Bat (DayZ) 230]

think I've got a pretty simple solution :

Put the camera closer to the character a la resident evil 4, and lock it a lot more so that you don't have advantages over 1st person.

Problem solved.

Edited February 14, 2013 by Bat

[Hetstaine 10852]

There are two main complaints regarding 1st and 3rd view, as I could see on the dev topic:

1st person: FOV not high enough to mimic real life

3rd person: gives advantage of seeing around corners/walls etc.

Both these problems are NOT solved by your solution. But good try, though.

Specially the second problem, with the standalone having all buildings enterable, most of them not on the marked areas.

And any building that one player can hide, he would be pissed if another player outside could figure out that he's inside by the use of 3rd person. This could happen literally in any building in the standalone.

And the first problem looks like it is being solved already, we saw screenshots of the SA showing a FOV bar. Let's wait and see.

My idea definitely has flaws, like there will be spots in Elektro where in 3dp mode you could say see up into sniper hill. Just trying to think of a way you can please both and eliminate the height view advantage.

Not a bad idea but Shadow Man is right. It'll just force the lice into the hills and forcing third person in major areas like the NWAF would probably bring out the pitchforks.

1st person only in NWAF SAUSAGE !!! ;)

[Guest]

My idea definitely has flaws, like there will be spots in Elektro where in 3dp mode you could say see up into sniper hill. Just trying to think of a way you can please both and eliminate the height view advantage.

Please don't ignore the main point of my post which is the fact that height view advantage is nothing compared to "around walls" advantage, which will happen in every. single. building. in. standalone.

[Hetstaine 10852]

Oooops sorry man :D With a closer cam view (Bat above) incorporated maybe they could kill two birds with one can of beans.

[dallas 5195]

Just play on [3D:OFF] servers buddy.

Whether you're in Stary, NWA, Elektro or Cherno, always select a concealed access route. Always keep on the move, always move unpredictably, never sit still exposed. Avoiding accurate sniper fire is not rocket science, just apply some common sense.

[Clumzy (DayZ) 377]

Just play on [3D:OFF] servers buddy.

Whether you're in Stary, NWA, Elektro or Cherno, always select a concealed access route. Always keep on the move, always move unpredictably, never sit still exposed. Avoiding accurate sniper fire is not rocket science, just apply some common sense.

They're not easy to find. It's fine to have 3rd person, but it seems like you're defending the exploits of it, which are definitely a bad thing. It's the reason everyone is able to camp on rooftops in Cherno, they can see everyone and everything while completely unexposed. The ability to see things that you shouldn't be able to should be removed, either by some solution that Rocket thinks is acceptable, or by removing 3rd person entirely, if necessary.

[Bat (DayZ) 230]

Once again, got the feeling something should be done about this 3rd person camera.

It feels too "magical" and remote and a closer 3rd person would give a ton more immersion.

More of "I'm a lone survivor and I play carefully because death could be around every corner" and less of "I'm in world of warcraft running around admiring my fine new outfit while easily spotting potential threats 10 kms away"

Edited February 15, 2013 by Bat

[Hetstaine 10852]

Just play on [3D:OFF] servers buddy.

Whether you're in Stary, NWA, Elektro or Cherno, always select a concealed access route. Always keep on the move, always move unpredictably, never sit still exposed. Avoiding accurate sniper fire is not rocket science, just apply some common sense.

Problem is there generally is not enough off them because more like and find 3dp markedly easier or get dizzy in 1st (which is easily fixed with the headbob option). We all watched as most of the old hardcore/vet 1st servers died off last year. Some of the aspects of 3dp i like, running out in the open fields and just simply looking around taking it all in, checking out my tight ass or getting screenies with my char in the shot. It would be cool if they could implement a way for both to be available in the game and lose the around the corner and god mode views.

At least they have already implemented entering combat as a 1st only deal so no 3dp view firing bullshit :)

[Sakka 28]

If you are in the third person and double tap the + key it zooms in just behind the back of your head. Why don't they just make 3dp locked into that. It gives you no ability to see most of what you currently can in 3dp.

[sausagekingofchicago 4711]

Sniper hill and all high vantage points around the high pvp areas will fall into the height zone allowing only 1st. I feel 3d should still play a part in standard game form , youtubers are going to want it, movie makers, screenshot takers, looking at your chars fancy clothes etc.

The main deal i think everyone wants is to eliminate the advantage 3dp has particularly in high pvp spots where even a noob can play god if he is sitting on top of say the hospital or admin building in Elektro.

Maybe a zoomed in third person camera (similar to the view you get when double tapping the + key) while in prone would work better? A little bit of a zoom while crouched would work well too. This could also make any stealth movements more tense. Getting the views right is the trick. :|

I'd personally hate to be forced into first person just because of some deathmatchers or campers. I'll play in first if it's only first (and if my framerate allows it) but I prefer third and not for pvp reasons.

Double-tapping - gives you a wider field of view than 3rd person already.

and looks like ass.

think I've got a pretty simple solution :

Put the camera closer to the character a la resident evil 4, and lock it a lot more so that you don't have advantages over 1st person.

Problem solved.

OTS cams and anything where the character takes up too much of the screen is not going to work and probably lead to the great internet meltdown of 2013.

Better zombies will solve most of these problems. No one is going to want to camp the roof of a hospital, sniper hill, or the common sniper perches in Cherno if the zombies can actually get to them. Hopefully in the SA we'll all be too busy surviving the zombies and the elements to stop and play CoD in Elektro. We should also consider the weaponry in the SA. I don't think we're going to see a bunch of one shot kill military grade rifles. That'll impact how we play greatly as seen in 2017.

1st person only in NWAF SAUSAGE !!! ;)

[mr_chabowski@live.co.uk 2416]

Right, I'm just going to say it.

I have never seen the problem with 3dp because that's how the game has always been.

In hindsight, I've probably been "periscoped" hundreds of times, and while unfortunate, IMO it's nothing to get up in arms about.

Het, I don't think your evil genius is the solution we're looking for this time.

What I would suggest is, only allow players to switch to 3dp when they have either no weapon equipped or both weapons holstered/shouldered.

Surely nobody wants to go into a fight deliberately unarmed?

Drawing a weapon would force folk into FPV for combat, and I can still check out my swish gear when I'm sitting by the campfire hoofin' down some horsemeat, or running the Berezino marathon.

I only suggest this because it perfectly suits my playstyle, but that's the only reason anyone suggests any "solutions".

There's so much freedom to choose how to play the game you'll NEVER find a happy medium.

The difference between the "survival adventure" players and the "combat simulator" players can be HUGE at times. So any sweeping judgement is always going to be met with "NOOOOOOOO!".

Sometimes folk just don't know what's good for them.

[HERBERT-THETREE 44]

Deffinetly original, but have you considered that the high PvP areas would change? after all theyre not set in stone, they are determined by the players, so i think its possible that people may start avoiding the places that are forced 1st person to maintain the 3rd person advantage.

just a thought

[DemonGroover 8836]

Interesting idea. I also like the idea by the BIG CHAB that if you draw a weapon you are instantly thrown into 1st person as well.

[Hetstaine 10852]

I thought that was already happening ? Maybe i read a dev post wrong somewhere ? wtf.. obviously my rum-to-blood count is too low :o

I don't have too much of a problem with the whole 3dp deal Chab, more thinking aloud about the whole god mode view when at height. Anyone got any spare rum ? I am way too shagged to continue a decent conversation without any alcohol :emptycan:

[Positronica 30]

Every new anti-3rd person post is just beating a dead horse. Here's the deal... tons of servers have chosen to turn off crosshairs, tons of servers have chosen to turn off name tags, tons of servers have chosen not to hand out guns in your starting gear, and tons of servers have chosen not to flood the map with vehicles and extra loot spawns. The point being that despite having plenty of options that could be used to make the game cheesier and easier, plenty of servers, and the players that play on those servers, have chosen to restrict certain options in order to lead to better gameplay. However, the number of servers that are first person only and manage to attract players are not even a blip on the radar. The only way anyone can argue for mandatory first person play at this point is if you think the playerbase, excluding you, is too stupid to know what's good for them in a game, despite the fact that they've clearly made hard-vs-easy value judgments when it comes to other optional features. It would be one thing if a large chunk of the servers were already selecting to be first person only. You could at least then make the case that it's an acceptable restriction that a large number of players would get behind, but the fact that virtually every server out there and virtually all the players are actively choosing to play on servers that allow third person makes it pretty clear that the vast majority of the playerbase doesn't have an issue with third person.