NVG glasses in 1.7.5.1 [warning: spoiler]

[porkus_maximus 36]

Reductio ad absurdum.

[Sutinen 635]

If you're going to start throwing road flares you may as well run through the middle of Cherno firing your AK into the air while playing Gangnam style through direct coms.

NVGs giving a huge advantage would be acceptable if they actually took some kind of skill to find or use but up until now the only "skill" they required was hopping to an empty server and recycling barracks loot until you got them. Now that they're on crash sites only it's simply a case of getting lucky, I've been playing DayZ on and off for about 6 months and I've only ever found ONE pair of NVGs that I can confirm were 100% legit because I didn't want to meta-game and recycle loot spawns.

Basically something needs to change with the night cycle and/or NVGs and/or alternative light sources because right now NVGs make you essentially unstoppable against people without them. Realistic? Yes. Fun? Not for the guy without NVGs. There's a reason that night time servers are always less populated, most people who stay on them either have NVGs or they're ramping their gamma up.

I play on night time with no NVG's and I haven't died yet. ALL of my deaths have happened on day time. I had a fucking 107, M4A3 and an M9SD on me and I still ran trough loot spots with flares and chemlights. And I've killed people with no NVG's at night too. The moon has to be up though.

By the way, playing on night time is way more fun than day time. You should stop being such a pussy and try it yourself.

Edited February 12, 2013 by Sutinen

[Michaelvoodoo25 3120]

Night time play is stupid, too dark, not realistic, and using all the illumination available is justdrawing a big target on your back.

If it was lighter and the moon was brighter woul dbe different but as it is, it is not too good at the moment.

the only time i have had fun on a night server is when I am in a large group

[SkrooLoose (DayZ) 143]

It's amazing how there's so many people here who can't comprehend what the op is stating. If I had a crayon, I'd try and draw you guys a picture. Maybe you'd understand then.

The point he's making is that nvgs throw the balance off so badly that people simply won't play at night. So why not remove the nvgs so more people would be drawn back in to playing on night servers. It's about getting more people to play more often.

[boxman80 964]

It's amazing how there's so many people here who can't comprehend what the op is stating. If I had a crayon, I'd try and draw you guys a picture. Maybe you'd understand then.

The point he's making is that nvgs throw the balance off so badly that people simply won't play at night. So why not remove the nvgs so more people would be drawn back in to playing on night servers. It's about getting more people to play more often.

Common sense. Day Z lends it's self so well to night time play, night vision just detracts from experiencing these conditions.

Edited February 12, 2013 by Box

[_Anubis_ (DayZ) 139]

It's amazing how there's so many people here who can't comprehend what the op is stating. If I had a crayon, I'd try and draw you guys a picture. Maybe you'd understand then.

The point he's making is that nvgs throw the balance off so badly that people simply won't play at night. So why not remove the nvgs so more people would be drawn back in to playing on night servers. It's about getting more people to play more often.

I was patiently waiting for someone to understand where the problem lies in having ultra rare NVGs ...

Either keep them at least as available as before (to give a chance to anybody with enough perseverance to find them and balance the odds) or remove them from the game (and maybe make nights less dark).

Now almost nobody plays at night despite having 24h servers. A waste.

_Anubis_

[svisketyggeren 662]

No they won't!

And if I've got a M4 and you've a winchester the m4 should be removed cause its not fair for you????

Is that your demented logic????? Just GTFO and go play pokemon!

IT'S NOT FAIR THAT THE REST OF US ON THESE FORUMS HAVE TO PUT UP WITH IDIOTS LIKE YOU! PLEASE REMOVE YOURSELF NOW!

the basic argument is that NVG is to overpowered compared to for instance a M4 vs winchester...comparing the disadvantages between other weapons/gear isnt really relevant. That being said I have no problem with NVG and I think they should stay....but when I see idiots like urself that really dosent understand the basic argument I feel a need to say u should remove urself and go play pokemon....and stop using big letters like a dramaqueen...

Edited February 12, 2013 by svisketyggeren

[beatSTV 631]

for f***s sake guys its litrally like a witch hunt, would you find nvgs in real life yes but they would be extremely rare. END CASE.

on a side note rocket has already said about nvgs possibly having batterys which run out and also can get damaged. Nerfed in the standalone.

I have had the same set of nvgs for nearly 3 weeks now it took me 2 months to find them and to be honest i thought they only spawned at chopper crashes anyway. if you find them you deserve them QQ ithe majority of people crying on this thread are people that haven't got any.

Edited February 12, 2013 by beast101

[creature 1189]

I don't have a Ural so I can't stockpile as many weapons and ammo as the people who do. It's not fair. Should be removed or given to everyone.

I don't have a GPS so I can't pinpoint where I am on the map like the people who do. It's not fair. Should blah, blah, blah....

I don't have a heli so I can't find the ever elusive crash sites like other people. It's not.. ohh FFS!

If you want something, work for it.

If NVG's were removed, people would cry about being seen when they use the flashlight, chem's or flares. "I don't play at night because visibility is seriously reduced and I keep getting killed when I light Elektro up with flares" would be the new rage in posts.

This whole, "make it easy and fair for everyone" cuz "everyone's special and deserves to win" is what's killing gaming (and a lot of other things).

DayZ is NOT fair, nor is life in general. Live with it or move on.

If the guy next door has something that you want but you can't find one, does that mean it should be outlawed so no one can have it?

[irl-calibre 744]

when tents respawned on server restart, and there were camps with thermal weapons / nvgs aplenty, the game was better.. now you find nothing, no camps, hardly any weapons and the craic factor is greatly reduced.. there I said it. Now its tears about Nvg's.. nothing but fucking tears its destroying the game tbh..

[Jonsse 69]

I have yet to find NVG's on anywhere else except other players in all my time of playing dayz. I haven't played massive amounts but still a lot. So when you say "NVG's even more rare now" all i can think about is "you could get them before without duping? how?"

In the Standalone when batteries are actually a thing, nvg's will become more "balanced".

Edited February 12, 2013 by Jonsse

[janus0104 212]

NVGs overpowered? No.

NVGs necessary for night play? No.

I just had a 6 hour run through the night with two friends, one always carrying a road flare. It was a lot of fun, it adds to the experience tenfold. Sure, logging into a server to see it's nighttime and you have no flares or anything and you cant even use the flashlight properly, that sucks. But if you know it's getting darker, start picking up flares and you're good.

Sure, it will make you a target for bandits, but what doesnt...

[Tabarnator 10]

I hope NVG to be in the SA.

I "was" having fun playing in the dark.

When i get the chance to have NVG... was very happy!

( Yes NVG give you advantage )

But since i know that i can change my video setting and see at

night almost like day time.... I just dont play at night any more.

Fucking video setting killed my fun playing at night!

So if the video setting change stay... i dont give a shit about NVG.

Edited February 12, 2013 by Tabarnator

[TheBambiAvenger 146]

Hopefully they'll be removed soon. It's not fair at all to players who don't have them, as those who do have a SERIOUS advantage.

It's lazy people like you who just want Rocket to give them all their shit. The whole point of DayZ is collecting loot, not whining that you can't find something that's rare and almost never spawns. THAT'S WHY IT IS RARE. If every player had NVG's then nobody would want them. The whole reason they are rare and hard to get is because you have to spend months looking for them before you find them.

[SkrooLoose (DayZ) 143]

I don't have a Ural so I can't stockpile as many weapons and ammo as the people who do. It's not fair. Should be removed or given to everyone.

I don't have a GPS so I can't pinpoint where I am on the map like the people who do. It's not fair. Should blah, blah, blah....

I don't have a heli so I can't find the ever elusive crash sites like other people. It's not.. ohh FFS!

If you want something, work for it.

If NVG's were removed, people would cry about being seen when they use the flashlight, chem's or flares. "I don't play at night because visibility is seriously reduced and I keep getting killed when I light Elektro up with flares" would be the new rage in posts.

This whole, "make it easy and fair for everyone" cuz "everyone's special and deserves to win" is what's killing gaming (and a lot of other things).

DayZ is NOT fair, nor is life in general. Live with it or move on.

If the guy next door has something that you want but you can't find one, does that mean it should be outlawed so no one can have it?

Can't you read or do you simply choose not to? It's not about "waaa... not fair" or "it's too hard". It's about filling servers when they're normally dead and what can be done to help.

Yes, I agree 110% that DayZ is NOT meant to be easy or balanced. But when it comes keeping servers full, tweaks should be made to help ensure this. You guys can shout "quit being a pussy" or "grow some balls" all you want. Your remarks don't pay that monthly server bill.

[boxman80 964]

for f***s sake guys its litrally like a witch hunt, would you find nvgs in real life yes but they would be extremely rare. END CASE.

on a side note rocket has already said about nvgs possibly having batterys which run out and also can get damaged. Nerfed in the standalone.

I have had the same set of nvgs for nearly 3 weeks now it took me 2 months to find them and to be honest i thought they only spawned at chopper crashes anyway. if you find them you deserve them QQ ithe majority of people crying on this thread are people that haven't got any.

They are far too common though thats the problem.

[BwobBwub 660]

I'm glad they will be hard to find. I don't want to be walking around and seeing my 20th pair of NVG's.

[Lido 54]

Why don't they just add different generations of night vision goggles to the game like there are in real life?

I'm pretty sure in a few countries anything above class one or two is currently outlawed.

http://en.wikipedia....t_vision_device

That. That would be pretty handy. Like maybe on that doesn't enhance as well, but at least lets you know your surroundings, vs one where its like everything's clear, vs one with like flare protection, and maybe each would have different spawn rates. Maybe even spawn in em backpacks, I find it strange all the backpacks in the world are empty.

[bnblue@hotmail.com 40]

Wish people would stop moaning and trying to have loot removed, think some people would like to sort out there beefs in dayz with a stiff debate and maybe a thorough dressing down or a hardcore server with rock, paper, scissors!?

[creature 1189]

Can't you read or do you simply choose not to? It's not about "waaa... not fair" or "it's too hard". It's about filling servers when they're normally dead and what can be done to help.

Yes, I agree 110% that DayZ is NOT meant to be easy or balanced. But when it comes keeping servers full, tweaks should be made to help ensure this. You guys can shout "quit being a pussy" or "grow some balls" all you want. Your remarks don't pay that monthly server bill.

Can you read? Have you seen the hundreds of posts on this forum by people who want vanilla DayZ servers with no added bullshit? If that were true, why are most of those servers empty? Taking away NVG's will NOT fix the empty servers. It's a simple fact that most people feel "entitled" or think everything should be fair and equal. This is why night servers are empty. You can't blame the mod for that.

IMO most players need to "man up". The reason people flock to 24hr daylight servers isn't because someone may have NVG's it's because they can't see and they find it's too hard.

I have a new server. Set it up vanilla and posted about it. People came on, saw they started with nothing and left. Saw it was night, and left. Never more than 2 players. I switched to 24hr daylight and a Revolver for starting loadout and added 100 vehicles. My server jumped to an average of 10-15 players per night the 1st week. Back to vanilla. empty again.

Don't blame NVG's.

[person915 345]

That's the same as saying that when someone finds an assault rifle, it's not fair to other players that have a winchester or an enfield...come on, that's just stupid. They're not gonna remove it, there's nothing wrong with it.

You don't seem to understand this.

If you have NVGs. The current ones. You see. At night. EVERYTHING. As if it were day. Now here, Charlie, the unlucky guy with no NVGs, is struggling around in the dark with his chemlights and flares, trying not to bump into zombies that are as black as the ground around him.

Yulonda, a girl who found some NVGs, could easily take Charlie out, no problem, without Charlie ever seeing her, knowing she was there, looking at him for maybe even 20 minutes. Yulonda sees Charlie, sneaks up behind him with her NVGs, and carefully aims at his head. She pops him, and he falls over, shocked and dead.

Sam, a few meters behind, the unarmed bambi Yulonda let go, saw the flash, unaware that Charlie or Yulonda was even there! Yulonda escapes back into the night, after firing a few shots at Sam, who ran into a zombie on accident and aggro'd a ton of them.

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It isn't a matter of a better weapon. With a chemlight or flare, you might as well be ringing a bell and shouting over direct "COME AND GET IT, BANDITS, FREE FRESH MEAT HERE!" While those with NVGs slip in and out undetected by anyone, and with the goggles being so rare, there is usually no one that stands a chance to them at night.

I've killed players with my Winchester or Enfield that have had AKs and M4A1s. Hell, I've killed 6 guys outnumbering me with an M14 AIM, and they had DMRs and MK48s and knew where I was the whole time! Like one of these posts said, NVGs requires no skill to use. Weapons do. In the right hands, an CZ is just as deadly as an M24. That doesn't happen with chemlights and flares to NVGs. On a server I play on, they removed thermals and NVGs from the game. Night time is a lot more fun because everyone is on your level, and everyone there agrees. They kind of like playing at night at that point.

>.>

finding things that give you an advantage is what DayZ is about for godsake.

pretty soon you'll be calling for no guns - its not fair to those who just spawned! :rolleyes:

http://dayzmod.com/f...no-more-bambis/ :P

LOL i have a hatchet its a serious advantage over a new spawn. its end game loot and extremely rare no problem with it at all all you need to do is chuck a flare and the person who has them is screwed for 10-15 secs.

Look at the link provided above the quote of your post.

Then go out there and find some, damn!!!

Lol, ain't nobody got time for that!

But seriously, I just don't want to. It doesn't make the game fun, when you go NVG hunting. I did it once, and the only reason was because I was at such a disadvantage to those who had them at night, and it was stressful and stupid and ended with broken dreams and a clan more than half dead from my friend and I.

It is just not worth my time, and I could be so much more productive looking for other things, or having adventures than wasting my time hunting for NVGs I'll lose to a bug or glitch, or random bandit. I don't want them removed because I don't use them. I've had them, a lot, just found them when I wasn't searching, or was given some. I still don't like it. Either nerf them like Minecraft fire so it's like using flares or chemlights at night without the glow, or take them out.

You can't say I want them removed because I don't have them. I find it as if ArmA didn't have NVGs and DayZ came out, no one would care anyway. We wouldn't be having this discussion. No one would really want them because they were never in. It's a luxury like spawning with a gun that when was removed, players complained, but it fixed a lot of newspawn PvP, and everyone lived with it anyway, so here we are a few months later, still playing the game, still enjoying it.

Players with AS50's, M14's, M4's and MK48's all have SERIOUS advantages over people with hatchets. Are you saying we should remove them?

Make NVG's so rare that if you find them you don't ever want to wear them in fear of losing them.

You should look at the response to the first guy I quoted. I think it'll do more than rewriting it again.... ;)

No they won't!

And if I've got a M4 and you've a winchester the m4 should be removed cause its not fair for you????

Is that your demented logic????? Just GTFO and go play pokemon!

IT'S NOT FAIR THAT THE REST OF US ON THESE FORUMS HAVE TO PUT UP WITH IDIOTS LIKE YOU! PLEASE REMOVE YOURSELF NOW!

Wow. Flame. I feel the heat. Luckily, I don't subject myself to anger like you do (well, maybe if I do it FIRST, on occasion. We're all sinners). Demented logic? Read just about every reply above you.

Make sense now? No? You should read some of my forum content. Just about everything I've done has been very well received and you can look at the beans I've gotten for them. I expect something like this to be rejected as, again, the example with spawning with a gun. You just don't want to let it go.

I don't understand how people can think that someone with NVGs is at any point even near the same level as someone without it. Before I repost the same things that I explained above, just read it.

You see, what you said, removing and M4 if I have a Winchester. That is demented. But that's not what I said. That's not what I meant. That's very far from it, and I think I've proved it.

Suggestions about supporting new playstyles; subjects I thought about for weeks, when the subject matter came up. I always wanted to stay true to DayZ's form. Always. Never go too far. If something's not broken, don't fix it. These are the things I keep in mind. Just... expanding. Like how bear traps and different kinds of raw meat and boiling water did. My suggestions, built the same way.

And people liked it. So why not this one?

Even so, it doesn't matter if it IS a horribly bad suggestion, as there is no reason to respond like that. I will tell you, I'm not an idiot. All the time. We all have our moments.

I've been a good community member and have given a lot, yet you tell me to get out, after ONE post that was not even a paragraph? You most likely have not even read any of my longer works. I guess now, with this, you are getting the chance.

I even copied and pasted after each quote (still learning multi-quote) just so it was one post.

But, we all make mistakes. I know that. So if this was a mistake, I understand. I really do.

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So, who still disagrees with me?

I don't mean about removing NVGs, I mean about that my logic is skewed, that it doesn't make sense? All of you think I mean that every weapon more powerful than another should be removed, if "my logic" was applied to the game. I don't. Do you think that now? Have you calmed down? Have you looked at it in my perspective?

I think that I've done a very suitable refutation here, so let's see if I left anything out when you reply and say something about this that I didn't mean.

Edited February 12, 2013 by McCullins

[Dr. Goner 661]

Just purely in the interest of a good gamingin experience they should be removed. Playing on a dark server with only a torch, chemlight or flare for illumination is a great experience.

I like the second part of your statement, but I don't think they should be removed. Though, it is a serious advantage when playing at night. I've played a lot at night without them, but I do avoid night servers now. Hmmm... It would be interesting if they spawned at higher percentages for an hour or two in the dead of night. Whatcha think?

[person915 345]

I like the second part of your statement, but I don't think they should be removed. Though, it is a serious advantage when playing at night. I've played a lot at night without them, but I do avoid night servers now. Hmmm... It would be interesting if they spawned at higher percentages for an hour or two in the dead of night. Whatcha think?

People with NVGs would camp the spawns waiting for players that had enough gear to be able to make the trip came rolling in. They'd take them out. That's what I think. It already happens at Elektro, the difference being that it spawns players often. It happens at Stary. At NWAF.

Then there's just more people with NVGs to camp the others.

[Chips- 58]

I just found someone's base near Bor, 3 tents pitched inside a little shack that doesn't even spawn loot. 3 NVGs, 2 Rangefinders, AS50 with 5 mags, M4A1 Holo with 5 mags, 2 ghillie suits, Coyote backpack and other goodies. This was 15mins after spawning in Otmel. Now I just need to meet up with my buddy and we're geared. Unfortunately this was on a public hive and we all got tele'd to the off-map desert and I logged out :(

[person915 345]

I just found someone's base near Bor, 3 tents pitched inside a little shack that doesn't even spawn loot. 3 NVGs, 2 Rangefinders, AS50 with 5 mags, M4A1 Holo with 5 mags, 2 ghillie suits, Coyote backpack and other goodies. This was 15mins after spawning in Otmel. Now I just need to meet up with my buddy and we're geared. Unfortunately this was on a public hive and we all got tele'd to the off-map desert and I logged out :(

Sounds like a hacker trap. They place hacked items and such. I dunno if they set a trigger that when you grab it, it executes a command to teleport you/kill/ect, or if they do it themselves. But it happens.