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Skorpion's clearly a better choice, but I'd never use it. Too much Klobb stigma. And take a breath, Freezy. Here are my main reasons for not liking the P90 for DayZ: From a technical standpoint, it's not in Arma 2 or Operation Arrowhead, so it'd have to be shoehorned in like the crowbar was. In terms of gameplay, it would require a totally new and proprietary magazine and cartridge, since nothing else uses the 5.7mm round except the Five-Seven. That means it would be in the same category as the FAL and Bizon and SVD. Unlike the FAL and SVD, though, the rinky-dink P90 would be a weak weapon with low range that wouldn't be recommended for anything except collecting, and would add virtually nothing to PvZ or PvP. Aesthetically, the P90 is a very modern, very fancy gun. We don't really have a precedent for that sort of thing in DayZ. Of the guns we have, I think only the Mk. 48 Mod 0 was developed more recently than the P90 (correct me if I'm wrong), and its design is similar to the M249 of 1974, making it look less like a ray gun than the P90 would in this context. I like fighting zombies with Cold War-era armament, it feels good to me. If you're putting the P90 in, why not add in all the G36 and Mk16 variants, too? XM8s are good, as is the M110. And don't get me started on vehicles. Additional content, added solely for the sake of diversity and vanity items that do not contribute meaningfully to the gameplay can bog down the mod. I like it leaner.

Just happened again at 11:09 GMT. Also happened several times through the day, and also everyone on the server was made to dance for a while, before they were all killed. Happened so many times on this server now, we'd abandon it if we didn't have vehicles, tents etc. there, which keep resetting back to their state from a few days ago - its like bloody groundhog day :( Not sure if this is a bug or admin restoring from backup because of the hacking or something, but it's making it very difficult to play - persistent MMO without the persistence.

I'd like to see tents/vehicles moved from the HIVE to the server hosters. It's an overall crap implementation of it right now. That's what I'd like to see in a magical world where things are not in the Alpha stage anyways...

As nobody besides the Devs knows how tent data data is saved, nobody really knows what's going on. I think it's connected to problems with the HIVE (no leaderboards, people spawning at the beach because the HIVE forgot their location, vehicles not saving). I would think that they are working on the HIVE and how things are saved/stored in their database. Personally i would like to see tents/vehicles disabled for the time being. Of course right now one can only speculate and hope it's getting fixed soon.

I dont like skills. its flawed. what is a snipers special skill? can they magically shoot guns better than mechanics? nah I do agree with storage being an issue but necessary for deeper gameplay. I think that storage is already limited by item type, reduce the weapon item type for weapons to 1 or 2. Stop storage in vehicles, or drastically reduce it. Have items saved by a player disappear immediately upon death. Stop duping somehow in new engine. Profit....

so i have no chance of finding vehicles in old servers?

There are alot of issues in this game, one of them being vehicles disappearing. Were you in a town where you found this bus?

The part that I found rude was where Mason said "You will get your vehicles as soon as possible, more tickets will not help." . I had already closed the previous ticket because I know how annoying it can be to have tickets open when working support. I was however happy with the response that Jonathan left me. It was very to the point and professional. Trust me there are no cars on the server. Not one.

Currently every decision made by a player is driven by his motivation and goals. It's a "do anything you want/do anything you can with this engine" type of game. Introducing NPCs or even quests would change that for the worse i fear. Get a group of friends and make your own quests: Who can get the most kills in a given amount of time? Who can gather the most food/ammo? Get a few vehicles and organize a race from NWAF to Cherno or something... The possibilites are almost endless when you realize how many tools you have been given..

Yeah I wouldn't mind for the server I play on to give me back all the vehicles I had loot stashed on back too... :/

also always possible while you weren't on the server someone came and took the vehicle you were waiting on and has saved it out in the woods on the edge of the map somewhere... vehicles aren't guaranteed to spawn on time either

Ok, i get your drift but consider the following: Items are only randomized to a certain extent. Lootable buildings follow rules, you won't find military gear in barns or supermarkets. Of course the loot is random but you know in advance which loot will await you. The same goes (and should go) for vehicles. You can't expect to find a helicopter at a barn or light tower. Same goes for pickup trucks, they only spawn at barns or comparable locations. Still, to follow up your suggestion, one could think about custom "skins". Vehicles could differ by design and maybe minimal speed/storage capabilities but they shouldn't appear out of place. Implement more vehicles but restrain their spawn locations to where it is logical. I could live with that.

But does that really need to be the case in DayZ? I don't really see evidence of a military occupation when I play this game. What I see are out of place weapons and vehicles inside the humble military installations of a country not yet in its prime. However, I do understand that this may be a an insurmountable limitation for the mod because of ARMA 2. We may need to wait for the standalone game for a more authentic setting which is fine. At this point, I think all suggestions should be directed at the stand alone game anyway as that is what really matters for the future.

Update--- 7th Day and still no cars on my server. Let me tell you a story about a 30 year old kid that wanted to host a dayz server- I was playing dayz and thought to myself what a cool idea. This game is awesome. I would like my own server. After researching for DAYZ :) I found that the servers in my home would not have enough bandwidth so I would have to purchased a managed server. So off I went, I went to a site called VIlayer, They were nothing but rude and could not get my server up after 3 days so I got a full refund. I then went to a site called Defcon servers. They have been okay for now. They seem to respond to tickets rather quickly. Only issue is keeping the server up. Now it was time to have some fun. I had a new server and friends to play on it with me. We started off getting all our supplies and trying to find a vehicle. Never found one. After a couple days we started to get worried and I put a ticket in with Defcon. They explained that there was nothing they could do. Only Dayz staff could help. So I did a little research and found that if I had an ID above 6000 it could take up to 7 days to get vehicles. Man that sucks I thought to myself. So to confirm I put a ticket in with Dayz Staff. Department: Troubleshooting Date: 11/08/2012 18:05 Subject: No Vehicles after 7 Dayz on new server Status: Closed Urgency: High Dustin || 11/08/2012 18:05 I bought a new server and it has been 7 days without any vehicles. We have looked everywhere. I have read that many people are having this issue. I have been whitelisted since day one. I have the server with DefconServers. My member id is US 2114 and my mission id is 8238. IP is 207.210.254.162.3402 I read that if it is above 6000 it could take up to 7 days. I have posted in the forums many times before contacting you. Please help. I really want to be able to get a car like on other servers. Thank you Jonathan Dalton || Staff 11/08/2012 18:09 Hi Dustin, Your instance ID was submitted on 08.07.12. It was probably approved that day or shortly after. It has not been 7 days. - Jonathan DayZ Community Support Staff ========================================================== Dustin || 11/08/2012 18:23 Thank you for the info Jonathan. I must have been confused cause they had to give me a second ID cause the first one glitched out to say US 405 I think. So you are saying the cars should be on the server on Day 7? Is there anything that can be done to expedite this? Reboot more, Pray to the Dayz gods, Donate? Thank you for any information you have that can help me get the server going. Jonathan Dalton || Staff 11/08/2012 18:23 Hi Dustin, Unfortunately there is nothing that can be done to expedite the service. Vehicles SHOULD be on your server by day 7. - Jonathan DayZ Community Support Staff ========================================================== Dustin || 11/08/2012 18:31 How will I know when to start looking vs when to give up? Does a reboot need to be done once the cars do show up? Or will they just appear in front of me at some point? Is it possible that they could show up today? Or is it 7 days no matter what? Thank you Jonathan Dalton || Staff 11/08/2012 18:33 Hi Dustin, A reboot will be required. As for when/if/etc., I can't comment on that, only that vehicles should be on your server by day 7. - Jonathan DayZ Community Support Staff ========================================================== Dustin || 11/08/2012 18:39 Thank you for your support:) After this ticket I was hopeful. So I got all my stuff together. DMR, Silenced bison, GPS, night vision , etc. Then I saw a helicopter on my server. I though to myself WOO HOO vehicles! Then we all died and lost all our stuff.. Everyone on the server died all at once because of a hacker.. AWESOME!! (Sarcasm) So now I'm back to square one.. No items, no vehicles, No money cause I bought this stupid server. So I awaited day 7 for vehicles and some small amount of hope that I could have fun on this server. STILL NO VEHICLES. So I decided to put a support ticket in with Dayz again and see what was going on. Department: Troubleshooting Date: 13/08/2012 21:50 Subject: No vehicles on server after 7 days Status: Answered Urgency: High Dustin cody || 13/08/2012 21:50 Hello, I bought a new server and it has been 7 days without any vehicles. We have looked everywhere. I have read that many people are having this issue. I have been whitelisted since day one. I have the server with DefconServers. My member id is US 2114 and my mission id is ****. IP is 207.210.254.162.3402 I read that if it is above 6000 it could take up to 7 days. I have posted in the forums many times before contacting you. Please help. I really want to be able to get a car like on other servers. There has been no vehicle spawns on my server since I ordered it. (aside from hackers spawning heli's and jets) I was wondering why there are no vehicles for the poor guys that want to play fair? What needs to be done to get the game working correctly? Thank you Mason Henrickson || Staff 14/08/2012 00:25 As was told to you in your other ticket "Unfortunately there is nothing that can be done to expedite the service. Vehicles SHOULD be on your server by day 7." You will get your vehicles as soon as possible, more tickets will not help. ~Mason Henrickson DayZ Staff ========================================================== Dustin cody || 14/08/2012 01:06 Let me start by saying I have been nothing but nice to you guys. This is the second ticket I have put in on an issue that has lasted 7 days. I was not trying to annoy you but just solve a problem. You say I will get my vehicles as soon as possible. I am curious why a hacker can put cars and heli's on my server but you are unable to? Can you expand on SHOULD? Are you saying cars may never show up? If that is the case what is the point? can you at least act like you care even a little bit? I find your customer service skills to be upsetting. Again my only goal is to be able to play Dayz on my server with cars included. I am not asking for anything out of the ordinary. Jonathan Dalton || Staff 14/08/2012 01:20 Hi Dustin, At this time we are encountering some problems with vehicles spawning on new servers. We are working diligently to correct this problem and your patience is appreciated. I understand not having vehicles on your server is extremely frustrating but please know we are aware of this issue and are working on a solution. - Jonathan DayZ Community Support Staff After this I was a little upset. I could not believe after all this that the Dayz staff I was bending over backward to be nice to was going to be rude to me because they have an issue with the game. So now here I am, Sitting waiting for Defcon server to get my server back up so I can go to the quarry and be sad cause there are no vehicles on the server. That is the sad story of a 30 year old kid and his very own Dayz server.

The idea wasn't supposed to be massively game changing, but it'd be nice to stumble onto a rare vehicle, hell it'd even be nice to see a rare vehicle fly past. Randomizing the spawns achieves the same thing that random loot spawns achieves. The game would get pretty boring if each barn spawned a shotgun, a hatchet and some beans. Not knowing what is inside the lootable building is all part of the fun. So searching for vehicles in the known spots will be made more exciting if this unknown factor is introduced. Like i said, its not meant to be a massive game changer, just something I think the player experience may benefit from

Every zombie-spawning locale, either on a per-spawn basis or in terms of larger zones, should have a finite rate at which zombies can spawn. At first, zombies will spawn quickly, as they do now, and they'll be drawn from a population pool that's slowly refilling over time. When the pool is depleted, zombies will not spawn until the pool is incremented. In this way, it could be possible to lock down a gas station or a place where you're repairing your vehicles, so you can do your work without having to sneak from the gas tank to the vehicle and back again. Take for example Bor. It's got a dozen buildings, only three of which spawn loot (one being a lousy doghouse), and a few deer stands up the hill. Pre-apocalyptically, the population of the entire village was probably less than twenty-five people. Yet if I stand in the middle of town with my AKM I can produce a corpsepile that makes no sense in that area. So say Bor has a zombie capacity of 20, and can generate one zombie every two minutes. You and your buddies roll into town and exterminate all of them. Now you can take a breath, eat some beans and refill your bottles at the well, because the town is straight-up out of zombies. Every two minutes one will ramble past, but the horde is gone. Not hard to do, and not terribly worthwhile. If you go away for 40 minutes and come back, Bor's zombie population will be maxed out again Chernogorsk, on the other hand, would not be affected by this. The population can be understood to be massive, and no amount of gunslinging can get rid of all the zombies. Same goes for Electrozavodsk and Berezino. They'd be generating hundreds of zombies per minute, more than anyone could hope to kill in the same amount of time, and so the zombie population is effectively bottomless. In the medium area, between where zombies can be easily controlled and where they're unstoppable, are towns like Vybor, Zelenogorsk, Novy Sobor and Krasnostav. This is the more interesting situation, because it becomes possible to secure an area for a time. Perhaps most critically, it allows players to have an impact on the zombies, and makes the infection an enemy, rather than just a setting.

Scenario is as follows : Last night I was patrolling south of Zelenogorsk and I came across a bus missing two tires on it. I moved into investigate and checked the vehicles inventory since it was just me online. I looked inside and found a Water Bottle, Painkiller, and an M4A3 ACOG GL. Now for those of you who play a lot you will know this is a hacked in weapon that is not part of the game. What I want to do is I want to find out WHO brought it onto my server. I'm very new to admin work but I want to keep my server as clean as possible so how do I do this? I have Cheat-Finder because someone said to use that but i'm lost beyond that. Help me clean my server up, please. Thanks in advance. Is there a file I can download to help with the parse to find this guy? What do I specifically need to look into to find out when this weapon came on my server and how?

well in standalone it will be the weapons of Arma 3 ... Hmm I don´t think so. In my opinion it´s kinda unrealistic that 99% of the cars are totally destroyed..... There should be cars which are harder to fix to increase the number of vehicles.

these are some of the vehicles i want in the dayz mod with some other stuff 1. make the zombie not able to phase threw barricades and not be able to open doors 2. players turn after being bit by a zombie 3. please add the following weapons, flamethrower, desert eagle, 44. magnum, chainsaw, machete, M32 grenade launcher 4. please add the following vehicles, HMMWV, HMMWV (Ambulance), HMMWV (M240), HMMWV (M2), Offroad (DShKM), Pickup (PK), Pick-Up (Tube frame), MTVR (Repair), MTVR (Fuel), MTVR (Ammunition), UAZ (SPG-9) [ChDKZ], LAV-25 (HQ) [uSMC], MTVR, MH-60S [uSMC], MV-22 [uSMC], Mi-8MTV-3 [Russia] 5. please add a vehicle customization feature in garages so you can add spikes, plows, mounted guns, more lights around the vehicle and lots more like that just look up zombie apocalypse vehicles on google images and put that kind of stuff in the game

greeting players i am looking to form a team of mature players waiting to survive cruise vehicles and kill zombies i have a vent so plz have a mic and be over 16 message me for vent details.

Day 9 for me, still no vehicles.. - UK 276

Yep, maybe even more. the amount of vehicles at the moment is depressingly low

Whatever you do don't update to 1.7.2.5.. Especially if you value your vehicles, equipment in the vehicles, tents, your backpack (skin changing bug), and if you like to not log in on the coast.. .4 is your friend for now trust me.

My server and most other newer servers just aren't spawning vehicles at all. :(

A system that doesn't render tents and vehicles useless per sever resets.