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US 2315 by Bloodline Admin's kicked myself and a few of my friends off the server after we destroyed their camp/vehicles. Video has all the evidence, it's about six minutes long. First few minutes has me hitting "i" for the server info, and the kick's start shortly after. The last few minutes just has us rejoining and getting kicked multiple times. Video should be live in about half an hour after this post was made. Server Name: US 2315 (Your) Timezone: GMT -6 Date/Time: 9:13pm monday august 20th, 2012. Server Administrator('s): BL BloodyBurn What happened: destroyed base/vehicles, we all get repeatadly kicked Evidence/Proof:

Hello everybody, (Really hope I'm doing this right :o) Yesterday, around the evening I've been joining a streamer on twitch for running around as a group of people playing. We got killed by someone in the process, so - on a different server - those people transported me to my campsite. That's where I logged onto DE 2012 to pick up some gear again, but once I walked about a hundred meters towards my campsite where the vehicles and tent was I got kicked and banned from the server with no reason given. It's not that I mind starting over with new gear again since it makes up for the adventures that have made DayZ fun for me, but being banned for no legitimate reason sounds kind of weird to me. Would be great if this could be investigated. My Ingame name is "Stephano". I have no other means of contact, that's why I hoped this would help. The server is offline right now, but I'm fairly sure it'll be back up somewhen.. Atleast that's what I hope, because all my gear is up there.

When you log back in, you will be standing where you logged out. Chances are very good the bike will be gone...someone will have taken it. You don't login on a vehicle so there's no threat to you at all. Also, you cannot take vehicles to other servers. Your friend is experiencing part of the anti-server hoping code. If you log out and in fairly often from a server you're stuck with an unconscious timer. But it's fairly long, like 4 or 5 minutes? Sometimes it happens even when you don't logout and in rapidly. It's just a bug.

http://db.dayzwiki.com/vehicles/23-pick-up-tube-frame There found a pic in the wiki of the tube frame.

Ok so, it's pretty clear you are fairly ignorant. And no, I'm not saying that to be mean nor degrade you at all. Maybe we should start with something basic. First of all, you don't see Hacks or Hackers in the game. A Hacker is the person who wrote the application being used to bypass BattlEye script detection. The application used is a Bypass and this is the Hack. The Bypass is run to unlock memory on the users machine, memory which the Arma2 game uses. Once the bypass is running a user is able to 'inject' scripts into the memory and have them run without being detected. Scripts are what the Arma2 engine is built around. The game was designed to allow users to write missions and campaigns within the game using the script language/engine. Users are supposed to be able to spawn vehicles, soldiers and create games using the Arma2 military simulation. Scripts run the game, it's what it's all about. So most of the problems within the DayZ community stems from users who run a bypass and then run scripts to perform various actions like making them invulnerable, invisible, spawning vehicles/weapons and or killing everyone on a server with a press of a button. Battleye was NOT designed for DayZ but intended to protect abuse of the script engine within Arma2, specifically it was supposed to keep people from altering scripts within a mission/campaign in the Arma2 game. Battleye has literally bent over backwards changing their goals to accommodate the DayZ community. They shouldn't be demonized as much as they are because supporting DayZ isn't what they were supposed to be doing. There are also other cheats to this game that doesn't involve scripts. One is called a Radar which uses packet sniffing (reads the chunks of data or packets the internet uses) and picks out of these packets key information such as locations of tents, vehicles and even players throughout the map. Another is the Aimbot which often uses direct3d code to cause the user to aim at specific colors found only on other player textures so you literally never miss your shots. Both of these run outside of the Arma2 engine and thus are not detectable at all. As said, Battleye has bent over backwards to accommodate the DayZ mod. They very recently have begun to run file integrity checks on users' machines in hopes of helping prevent the issue where people run edited files to remove buildings, trees and shrubbery/bushes which allowed players to shoot through walls and such. Personally, I think this is rather invasion and aggressive because at no point did I sign up for having a program scan my files, increasing my bandwidth and internet lag during gameplay. But regardless, it's happening. Now to answer your question, why can hacks not be stopped? They can and are stopped very very often. The Bypass unlocks memory on the computer of the user using the hack. Battleye constantly moves these memory locations forcing Hackers to constantly write new Bypass hacks. This is a cat and mouse game that will continue on forever. Battleye will plug the hole the hacker will figure out where the new hole is and the eternal struggle will continue unabated. There is no stopping the hackers from doing what they do. All Battleye can do is continue to plug the hole when they see it's being exploited. The Radar and Aimbot cheats run outside of Arma2 engine and are completely undetectable. Battleye can do nothing about them. It's very important to know Battleye is working their asses off to better control hacks/scripters from ruining the gameplay experience within Dayz Mod. I think they should be commended. Anyways, I hope that helps enlighten you a bit more about things.

It is against the rules set by the DayZ admins to alter mission parameters, which is what I would have to do in order to enable side chat. It was taken out for a reason. Plus, I have a managed gameserver, not my own, so I have no access to do any of that stuff, which is for good reason. Sorry. :( And no, tents and vehicles aren't saving properly on my server. This is due to the latest hive update which screwed up a ton of shit. It's like this way on every server running the latest hive version. I don't know if older 1.7.2.4 servers have this problem now. I know the problem wasn't around when 2.4 was the latest patch. Also, I was involved in that skirmish on counter-sniper hill in elektro last night. We went to investigate the snipers camping noobs in the town, and ended up taking a bunch of people out as well as getting killed once as well. I ended the night with about 6 murders and 3 bandit kills due to people constantly rushing back towards the bodies. Although, I will say we found two AS50 TWS rifles on two of the bodies, but those were hidden to stop circulation of hacked in weapons. I won't ban for it unless I have evidence that the person spawned them in , but I will do everything in my power to stop the circulation of them. Not saying you were the noobs there, but some people were. Particularly the guys with AS50 TWS' :)

First tents, now vehicles too. There's a lot of time left before the standalone, I would be surprised if they didn't patch this up soon.

As far as the hive buggering shit up with tents/vehicles not saving, here's a message I received from Vilayer. Over the past few days we have been in discussion with DayZ in regards to the current bugs in the game. We are going to be providing DayZMod a new machine to host their HIVE, This should resolve any packet loss and lag issues that users may be having from the current HIVE. Also while the transfer is going to be made, there is going to be another update released that will contains fixes for the tents saving and other items that may have been causing issues. This may or may not be made public, it could be a private update that is required on the HIVE and Server Side only. Please note that this is not official yet and you are receiving this information because you are a Vilayer LTD customer and we want everyone to be within the loop. We are currently the largest host for DayZ and we hope that we continue to be the largest host for DayZ. We want to thank all customers for using our service for DayZ and we hope you continue to do so. Soon enough we believe that this mod will become DayZGame at the end of November, Vilayer LTD will be providing Game Servers for DayZGame and if you wish your server will be automatically changed to the standalone version of this game upon release. We are working as hard as we can with the developers to try and resolve all prior issues with the HIVE and Game before the standalone is released. We're not 100% sure when the HIVE will be moved / fixed however we will inform you when it has. As per the normal if you have any questions please let us know. So, it looks like a fix may be coming sooner rather than later. We can only hope so anyway.

your vehicles save gear?? :huh:

Vehicle saving is broken in 1.7.2.5, btw.... I can go days without finding vehicles and then find many in a row. I was even able to fix an ATV all by myself the other day. (Hours of walking involved.) I went 3 days without a single vehicle or camp and then found 6 vehicles and 2 small camps in 2 days. Persistence pays off. Definitely try different servers. I know where a motorcycle keeps reappearing on a particular server due to the bug. Too bad the server has barbwire grief on almost all of the best loot spots.....

Actually we never started hanging around electro until the latest patch which screwed up the tents and vehicles. The fact that nothing would save anymore there was nothing left to do other than find some PVP action. We are thinking of rolling back the server so we can go back to how we used to play as killing in Electro is getting boring now too.

Haha. It is unfortunate that kindness in this game normally means a trap. However, in this case it is sincere. I want more people to join our server. I'm not looking to deter anyone from staying on it. I just saw someone retrieve the Red UAZ I parked in Cherno. He took the AKS Kobra I put in the trunk and killed a fresh spawn, which is kind of messed up but also hilarious. I really just want to get some regulars on our server and I thought maybe a lack of readily available vehicles could be an issue.

sorry sched? no clue what that means but more regulars would be better :) If you mean schedule, i'm on holidays, i can get online anytime. am online now finding vehicles by myself T_T

hmmm I like it maybe if you can fit vehicles with a part that they are not vissible for satelites?!?

As i played this awesome game a long time now, I'd like to create a codex of good gaming. I mean the nicest moments i expierenced would always fit in it, and some behaviour is really annoying nad takes away a lot of fun from the game. So, here are my ideas how to behave when playing, as the game cannot force anybody to behave like this. General: -1- Love your character, it is him/her who has to survive and you should always try to survive. -2- Do not Alt+f4, neither hop servers to get to a good location or walk behind a player, relogg and kill him from behind. -----2.1- you should not hop server to get a nice weahter/daytime, but espiacally at the beginning a starless night is way hard to play. -----2.2- you should try to find one or a few home servers, you basically play at, so you get a community to deal with, may sattle down with some tents and/or vehicle/s -3-obvious but Do not hack/script, it is not the way of fun the game could provides normally, when you just get yourself an advantage and just kill evryone, when you need frags play CoD -----3.1- neither abuse bugs, for the same reason, seriously it makes the game to easy. Hardcore: -1- play on servers being at least veteran, so you have to estimate ranges, and the player/stuff recognition isn't that easy. -2- Do not create a backup camp to gear up quickly, it makes the death less important, as you just walk 20 minutes and have anything again -----2.1- if you're playing in a clan, your clan should figure out, whether the dayz experience or the group play is more important for you. if it is the experience then don't use the camp you created for gearing up again (i bet you have a clan camp :D) -3- Do not use voice programs if you play in a group. sounds silly, but makes the game way more intresting, when you have to be careful talking and stuff, may needs improvement like a radio for group chat, and noise reduction by range for the direct com. -4- play with the music turned on. Survivor: -1- try to group up with other survivors, so you can share and play together, making life easier. you can also just meet for a time and then split again, you don't need to use external voip, the ingame fits it fine. -2- you should only attack players when they are shooting/pointing there weapon at you or injure your personal space (when they're in melee/backpack) range, and refuse to stop their actions. -----2.1- sometimes you think sbd. wants to kill you but he's just there for loot etc. or accidentally gives you a reason to defend so, check twice before you're really risking to loose your morality -----2.2- free the little fishes, if sbd. with an axe tries to get you or sbd. wants to steal from your bag, just ensure they're no danger and force them to give your stuff back/stop attacking you, they might change there mind on people and the game, if they see, that not evrybody is a paranoid scavenger. -----2.3- let people alive, if you have to shoot, try to shoot them unconscious, bandage their wounds scavenge them and let them lie there, it will change their mind on players and the way they play -3- be warm hearted, help people, when they need your help and it's save to help them, they mostly will not shoot you in the back afterwards. Bandit: -1- Do not kill for fun! ,it's oviously dump, and doesn't help anybody, shooting at new spawned players don't get you balls. -----1.1- Rob instead of kill, you're a bandit because of the loot, not because you want to murder. -----1.2- estimate whether it's worth to rob/kill sbd. before you engage him. -----1.3- shooting sbd. unconscious is enough to get his loot with minimalized risk. -2- You can still be a nice guy, just because you're robbing it doesn't mean you can let the people keep a minimum of stuff or help underlootet persons. -3- Rob at your niveau, robbing the beans out of a one hour old player in zub castle, while carryng an high military weapon is dump. again estimate first whether it's worth to rob or not. -4- Don't destroy camps or vehicles, if you got what you wanted/needed than it's fine and you can leave instead of destroying evrything, if some people got a vehicle you wanted to have you should not destroy it just because, they have it and you don't,instead try to investigate their camp and steal what you want. -----4.1- if you're in a fight with the owner of the camp you can destroy it, if it really minimalize the risk, of revenge. -5- Respect your victims, it's obvious. they are player, having a hard time in this game, you should show them the respect you should give to evryone ingame as well as in the real life -----5.1- if you have to kill them, and they're already unconscious you should tell them why you had to do it, and share the moment of death with them, it is an impressive experience! So that's basically what i think is a good player codex for dayZ. If you have any additions corrections, or want to have a detailed explanation for a point, feel free to comment but explain your thoughts.

Fix the damn vehicles glitch so i can save my car

the reason you aren't finding them is because on 4 out of 5 normal hive servers, all the vehicles are 50 grids off the map. Once people figured out you could still keep vehicles off the map as long as you moved them an inch every 24 hours, all the people who had camps out there just use the vehicles as their camps. Some private hive servers the admin sets rules that any vehicle detected off map will be deleted if left there longer than x amount of time. Usually an hour or so... On official hive servers... since it's 24 hours, you aren't gonna see any until that's changed.

So in the current system people don't guard vehicles?

The bugs are honestly having a worse effect upon me than the hackers. At least you can kill hackers(when they're not in god mode), the bugs are inescapable now. 3/4 or more servers(same mod/beta version as client) give errors, every other time I can actually login I suffer insta death, teleport to the coast naked, teleport to debug naked, or teleport to coast w/ gear. Every reset kills any progress made with tents and vehicles. What's the point in even attempting to play or test anymore?

Woah woah woah. Hold on. A lot of scripts lately are spawning vehicles "through" other players. So you have to be careful with banning.

Hahahahahhaha. Yeah okay buddy. You misunderstand why we want your server removed. Your server host has a track record of abusing his power with everything from locking servers, banning for bull shit reasons, and hiding servers in janky ass patch beta combos. I have proof of these. Ones I don't have proof (yet) is that soneones hacking in shit for you failures. Why do three quarters of your clannies have thermal as50s? And don't give me any shit about months of farming. You put up a new server and in three days have eleven tents four vehicles and a working fully fueled chopper. All because you play from the privacy of a hidden or locked server. Sure sometimes you update to the latest patch but we see you restarting and messing with the versions. We will continue ruining your day until you play fair. Hail Jarl.Edit: spelling, typed from a phone.

On my group's server, which usually has less than 15 players, we have already found 4 camps with hacked guns, and we have had multiple hackers spawn helicopters. Once we had a hacker teleporting around killing us, and spawning weapon crates, but that was weeks ago. Artifacts and tents/vehicles disappearing and not saving loot is much more frustrating right now.

ROFL, Remind us what we did again when YOU banned us for finding your camp? So before you be a little bitch and QQ your way off the Admin list, why not reveal those logs? To really reveal who was hacking Locations of Tents/Vehicles/People...

It's simple really, the development team has no control whatsoever over the code they run there, so people may become confused about what is and is not a DayZ feature. Weapons and vehicles that the people who developed the Lingor mod included are not in the regular DayZ Mod, bugfixes that happen for DayZ may not be implemented there, but we get the support requests, etc. It's simple, really, once DayZ is in a reasonably stable state and rocket gives his okay, modding is fine, but modding DayZ at this point in time leads to fragmentation and makes the project even harder to manage than it already is. Lastly, it's simply not what DayZ was designed for, DayZ's idea was persistent, single hive, Zombie survival and that idea still lingers. I for one never understood why people couldn't just play Chernarus Apocalypse, Dynamic Zombie Sandbox or another Zombie mod if they wanted "private" servers on the ARMA engine with Zombie survival. They're much more geared towards that experience, DayZ, without the shared hive, is pretty simplistic.

If you want a camp, you build it away from any location that spawns something. Green Mountain is just a bad place to be when a dozen or more zombies spawn when you come to it lol It's not even that good of a spot to camp since even if vehicles spawn, they are pretty rare for the most part and most people are sensible enough not to go there lol