Are Choppers needed in DayZ?

[Fynmar 6]

Lots of noobs here it seems.

When my clan had its first helicopter (1 hour after they were released) we gathered ALL the vehicle on our server within two hours. We also made a map with all tents and bases.

Its fucking unbalanced and unrealistic.

[str33tsuite 19]

It's an end game item... it was supposed to be superior to everything else, there only one per server (excluding private hives and new maps) shooting people from the heli is not as easy as you think.

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[Fynmar 6]

It's an end game item... it was supposed to be superior to everything else, there only one per server (excluding private hives and new maps) shooting people from the heli is not as easy as you think.

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There is no endgame and it renders tents useless. Also, who the fuck is talking about getting shot by a heli?

[WargameKlok 166]

_{People that don't use the choppa shouldn't decide to remove them from the game. The logic there is "If I don't use it, remove it from the game". Same bullshit discussion is going on at the War Z forum. So many overblown scenarios that don't happen, enough to m ake me puke. Odly enough the same bullshit here from some people. It sounds like some of you guys don't even play DayZ.}

[Jex =TE= (DayZ) 218]

Jex the difference between us is I can acknowledge when I was wrong starting out, yet you are too much of a bitch to do the same. You could have easily changed the tone of this entire thread, but instead you fought the good fight of telling everyone else they are stupid and you are brilliant.

Could we graveyard this useless circle jerk please.

WTF have u been reading? I am not wrong, neither am I right - it's my opinion. That's what I've been arguing until u bunch of assholes came in and start shouting ur mouths off, which I responded in kind. If you don't like it fuck off - I really don't give a shit and i'm also not wound up or angry like everyone here thinks I am. Still at least the posts are entertaining no? ;)

[Bakst 98]

How many Urals per server? Oh yeah-one.

How many PBX's? Oh yeah-also one.

If a Ural or PBX dies, how quickly does it respawn? next server start.

Kill a chopper, wait 7 days.

Chopper storage: 30 items and 3 weapons/tools.

Ural storage: 200 items, 50 weapons/tools, an 8 backpacks.

Hey thanks that's some useful info. I didn't know it takes a downed chopper 7 days to respawn, is that really true?

The DayZ Wiki says that any items placed in the PBX will instantly sink into the water. I've never found a PBX (only that slow-ass "small boat") so I can't say.

Personally I wouldn't mind if there were at least two of these high-end vehicles per server, because on many servers the admins are the ones hogging the Ural. I don't have a grudge against admins -- on the contrary, they're awesome for hosting our servers! -- but it's either them or some clan hoarding all the good stuff. At least that's where the helicopter comes in, as you can use it to spot the slow and vulnerable Ural. All in all I think the system isn't too bad, and a lot of people's complaints could be addressed with the addition of more vehicles and a few tweaks to the maintenance system (making it more complex and challenging).

[Jex =TE= (DayZ) 218]

Ah did I hurt ya feelings?? Hail to the king baby! Yes that's me.

No you're just proving, post by post, what an idiot you are.

[Jex =TE= (DayZ) 218]

How many Urals per server? Oh yeah-one.

How many PBX's? Oh yeah-also one.

If a Ural or PBX dies, how quickly does it respawn? next server start.

Kill a chopper, wait 7 days.

Chopper storage: 30 items and 3 weapons/tools.

Ural storage: 200 items, 50 weapons/tools, an 8 backpacks.

A Ural is a freaking mobile base, and that is not, in your eyes, a desirable vehicle?

As others have said, at this point, all you are doing is putting your fingers in your ears and yelling "lalala!"

OMG seriously? THIS is your argument?

So your telling me that choppers shouldn't be changed, or things shouldn't be fixed because a ural holds lots of gear?

Is that ur argument or am I missing something?

Who gives a fuck if it's desirable. All it does is do something a little more all vehicles and tents do. Wowee

[Jex =TE= (DayZ) 218]

Lots of noobs here it seems.

When my clan had its first helicopter (1 hour after they were released) we gathered ALL the vehicle on our server within two hours. We also made a map with all tents and bases.

Its fucking unbalanced and unrealistic.

When we put up our server, we had a chopper up within 20 minutes. We took off, looked down at the terrain and immediately saw bullshit and took the choppers out. See we recognised from the beginning how difficult it is to find a base considering how small arma really is. Using a chopper just ruins it for everyone else and for what? So those guys can be assholes and go there and destroy all their tents and blow up their vehicles (because I can guarantee they don't need the gear). Sorry we want people to work for their gear. Dayz is meant to be hard and cruel and yet choppers quite literally get the easiest ride of all.

[Zombie Jesus 723]

WTF have u been reading? I am not wrong, neither am I right - it's my opinion. That's what I've been arguing until u bunch of assholes came in and start shouting ur mouths off, which I responded in kind. If you don't like it fuck off - I really don't give a shit and i'm also not wound up or angry like everyone here thinks I am. Still at least the posts are entertaining no? ;)

Edited for dickishness that does nothing to add to the conversation (if this stupidity by Jex can even be called a converation). I will leave with this. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one but very few of us want to see yours.

Edited October 11, 2012 by Zombie Jesus

[rallye 89]

When we put up our server, we had a chopper up within 20 minutes. We took off, looked down at the terrain and immediately saw bullshit and took the choppers out. See we recognised from the beginning how difficult it is to find a base considering how small arma really is. Using a chopper just ruins it for everyone else and for what? So those guys can be assholes and go there and destroy all their tents and blow up their vehicles (because I can guarantee they don't need the gear). Sorry we want people to work for their gear. Dayz is meant to be hard and cruel and yet choppers quite literally get the easiest ride of all.

1. Step away from your computer

2. Seek the nearest exit from your home/office

3. Seek the the road with the heaviest volume of traffic

4. Play in it.

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Edited October 11, 2012 by Inu

[patrick_insanity@hotmail.com 111]

Hahaha, oh this community is so full of love and compassion! it is unbelievable.. it's gone to hell since .. I don't know.. the 5th post? it turned from a suggestion to a caged monkey fight where they throw poop at each other till they're all out of supply.

Uhm well.. I actually already posted my thoughts about the helicopter / huey in Chernarus. So yeah.. though the thread has been quite amusing none the less!

[Bakst 98]

Hahaha, oh this community is so full of love and compassion! it is unbelievable.. it's gone to hell since .. I don't know.. the 5th post? it turned from a suggestion to a caged monkey fight where they throw poop at each other till they're all out of supply.

Uhm well.. I actually already posted my thoughts about the helicopter / huey in Chernarus. So yeah.. though the thread has been quite amusing none the less!

yep, an apt description. i added in my 2 cents worth of thoughts for what it's worth, but any normal discussion has been drowned out by the flam0rz. oh well, on to the next topic =p

btw i'm referring to this thread, not the DayZ community as a whole

Edited October 11, 2012 by Bakst

[ZomboWTF 527]

yeah, kind of sad...

any good ideas go under because five hundred people yell and forget what the thread originally was about

[NickM (DayZ) 57]

OMG seriously? THIS is your argument?

So your telling me that choppers shouldn't be changed, or things shouldn't be fixed because a ural holds lots of gear?

Is that ur argument or am I missing something?

Who gives a fuck if it's desirable. All it does is do something a little more all vehicles and tents do. Wowee

I am merely going to quote you and hope that you can look more closely at what both you and I have stated after you can cool down.

And with that, I am done with this thread.

Have a nice day.

[NavyCuda 39]

Numpty statement 1. Actually I make my posts for people who aren't bothered about the way people type on an internet forum. If you don't like the way I type, you know where the door is.

What is "numpty"?

I don't care how you type, I was simply informing you and anyone else reading my post that you quoted, that your opinion will be considered more valuable when presented it in a manner consistent with someone who graduated from high school. This applies to everyone posting online and not just you.

Numpty statement 2 (and u were doing so well in your initial post). I just love the way people engage their brainz around here - let me see, I just thought of one reason that could be a possible explanation so I'm going to turn it into a belief system and just go with it and make a sweeping generalisation that I just pulled out my ass. I have plenty of time (relatively) to play dayz and in fact the server we run we took away the choppers. If we didn't have the server, my friends and I could easily run a chopper between us. But yes, everyone who doesn't have time to play are that much of an asshole they'd rather nobody has it - did you bother to read the OP at all?

You are correct, a belief is something that usually has little more than circumstantial evidence to support it. This is why I said I have a belief and did not conclude that my observations were correct.

Yes I did read your original post, as well as every post in this thread before I replied to each person that I felt I needed to reply to. I am doing my best to counter each point with the least amount of emotional content possible, however, without re-quoting a number of your posts, emotion is something that your posts are not lacking. Your arguments lack substantial evidence and thoughtful discourse. You rely on derogatory comments to drive others from the conversation, effectively ending the debate by being the only person left willing to comment.

I do not disagree with certain aspects of your original post, however your conclusions in regards to the helicopter are flawed. I have spent the time to grid search the entire northern area of the map using vehicles and walking, the rendering of trees at distance still allows tents and vehicles to be easily spotted from the ground. The only difference is the amount of man hours it takes to conduct the search. In fact, my limited experience with multiple spotters in the helicopter you still must travel at less than 60 kph to have an effective search pattern. I have a hiding spot in the northern forest where the UAZ cannot be seen from the air, yet it is rather obvious from the ground.

The problem is not with the helicopter, but with the rendering of objects at distance and this issue is not exclusive to being airborne as I pointed out in the previous paragraph.

OK simple test. I'll give someone a rifle and 10 minutes with it then we'll go back and see how they got on. Next we'll put them in the seat of a chopper and we'll give them an hour and they wouldn't have even started it.

Having spent time introducing novices to the shooting sports, I would agree that it would be possible to teach someone the basics of operating a firearm in 10 minutes or less. I must point out however, that in only 10 minutes you could only cover the very basics of operation and maintenance and in no way would the student be proficient or effective with the firearm. How much of that 10 minute orientation would they actually retain? Using my wife as an example, she picked up the basics yet there were a number of areas where she was not proficient and needed to be reminded of the correct procedures. I would say that it took a total of two hours to train her to a reasonable level of proficiency and there are still things she doesn't retain, such as rapid magazine changes and clearing stoppages. A firearm is one of the simplest mechanical devices man has ever invented, so again you are correct, it isn't very likely someone with no experience in a helicopter is going to be able to get the turboshaft engine spun up never mind fly the thing in one hour.

That said, how does this apply to the issue at hand, which is that the rendering of distant objects do not have the detail to effectively be used as cover for hiding places.

Yes of course I did, 6 pages of reasoned responses (with or without chilli) would say otherwise of course if you bothered to read them.

I have read your responses and while you may not agree with me, I do not believe your responses were reasoned. I do not believe you put sufficient thought into your original post for it to be considered reasoned. I will not deny that you have made the occasional valid point, but you lack the social skills to effectively present them.

I hope that you take the time to write an educated, thoughtful response so we can have a meaningful conversation.

[Maxgor 2314]

I really don't see a problem with the chopper. I almost never saw them when playing and from what I've seen from videos, you just get a couple people to shoot at the chopper and it's pretty easy to take down.

[Skinup69 24]

This is the best quote in here yet people ignored it.

Hail to the king baby

Of course they give an advantage. As they should. The game shouldn't be balanced. Life isn't fair and neither is DayZ.

[Jex =TE= (DayZ) 218]

What is "numpty"?

Oh dear god this shitty forum spazzed out so I lost my whole reply. Ok quick version now

OK you don't need to fly at 60kmh - you may need to but this is not an argument that has any validity to it. You can see better from the air than from the ground - period - you cannot dispute this.

I could give u a week in a chopper and it's debatable that you could get the engine started (that is prepping it and making sure all those important switches are set correctly - not simply getting the rotars spinning.)

That said, how does this apply to the issue at hand, which is that the rendering of distant objects do not have the detail to effectively be used as cover for hiding places.

You said you read my post but this statement would seem to say otherwise - you're saying I brought up NO other points?

As for my replies, I believe I have attacked the arguments, not the person and my responses where they have been inflammatory, have been a reflection of the posts I got with a little added umph - at least I didn't call anyone a cunt ;)

Edited October 12, 2012 by Jex =TE=

[Jex =TE= (DayZ) 218]

This is the best quote in here yet people ignored it.

Hail to the king baby

Didn't I give beans for that one?

[Skinup69 24]

Groovy

Didn't I give beans for that one?

[ZomboWTF 527]

I really don't see a problem with the chopper. I almost never saw them when playing and from what I've seen from videos, you just get a couple people to shoot at the chopper and it's pretty easy to take down.

sure, choppers tend to either get people somewhere and do "touch and go" missions, or fly around searching for camps

and with the bugged out trees, finding hidden stuff is just too easy, once someone on a server gets a chopper and has one or two people with him, in a day there will be only one HUGE camp, because all others were found

and until you find that camp, no one will find vehicles, or be able to place a tent safely, or hide a repaired vehicle

they should either fix the trees and remove the indicators on the screen side, or make a server option to remove choppers from a server

[Bakst 98]

I've never been much of a camp person to begin with. When I started playing DayZ months ago when it was even more alpha than it is now, tents and vehicles were so reliably buggy that I never even bothered to try and save them. I just acted like they didn't exist! In the current build tents and vehicles are more or less working now, but I still haven't bothered to set up a camp because it's a risky strategy, and as a lone wolf I have everything I need on my person.

Now don't get me wrong, I do understand the usefulness of camps. I helped set up a big one once when I was rolling with a clan, only to have to relocate it because someone found us out. (The clan guys were surprised as hell, like somehow north of Krasnostav is the ULTIMATE secret bandit hideout LOL! But this was a lame group anyway: they temp kicked players off their own server just to safely refuel the UAZ -- *so* lame!)

I'm talking about camps because my point is this: I like that the chopper is a camp-busting tool -- no camp should ever be completely safe -- but being able to spot things at a distance by exploiting different rendering distances for objects and terrain is borderline cheating and should be addressed in future updates. That exploit is the problem, not the Huey itself.

[Jex =TE= (DayZ) 218]

I've never been much of a camp person to begin with. When I started playing DayZ months ago when it was even more alpha than it is now, tents and vehicles were so reliably buggy that I never even bothered to try and save them. I just acted like they didn't exist! In the current build tents and vehicles are more or less working now, but I still haven't bothered to set up a camp because it's a risky strategy, and as a lone wolf I have everything I need on my person.

Now don't get me wrong, I do understand the usefulness of camps. I helped set up a big one once when I was rolling with a clan, only to have to relocate it because someone found us out. (The clan guys were surprised as hell, like somehow north of Krasnostav is the ULTIMATE secret bandit hideout LOL! But this was a lame group anyway: they temp kicked players off their own server just to safely refuel the UAZ -- *so* lame!)

I'm talking about camps because my point is this: I like that the chopper is a camp-busting tool -- no camp should ever be completely safe -- but being able to spot things at a distance by exploiting different rendering distances for objects and terrain is borderline cheating and should be addressed in future updates. That exploit is the problem, not the Huey itself.

It is the ultimate camp busting tool but only available to whoever owns the chopper (and with no drawbacks whatsoever - the chopper is neither realistic or authentic).

No camp is ever safe, they can all be found by people determined to find it (or more easily by cheating) but why include a platform that can find everyone's camp over the course of an hour.

The thing that makes camp relatively safe is the time needed to search for them. A clan of 5 guys could walk the map edge over the course of a few days, spread out 100/200m apart and find camps, maybe not every camp but they could and it would be a lot of work.

So with a chopper in the map i wouldn't even bother with vehicles. I don't want the shitty ones that can't go off road and if I had a chopper and I wanted I could use it to find all the best vehicles and take them away for our use. With this in mind it makes me think, why bother in the first place"

BTW it isn't an exploit, its the game engine. It renders that way for everyone.

[Bakst 98]

BTW it isn't an exploit, its the game engine. It renders that way for everyone.

No? When I say exploit I was thinking more along these lines:

lol ;) So you're referring to the fact that from the air you can see through the not-so-dense canopy of most forests in Chernarus, or what?