Awesomeness that is L85A2 AWS

[Bludy 324]

op, you forgot about the laser this rifle has? enabled with ''l'' i think

[Derpy_Hooves (DayZ) 4521]

And the only thing an opinion then entitles you to is being wrong.

Not pointing at this argument, just saying that "it's my opinion" is not an argument.

Thermal scopes and anti-material rifles have no place in a zombie game.

Oh yes, might you say that it's realistic. The apocalypse didnt destroy them all.

But, DayZ stays a videogame which cannot escape the limitations of itself. A line must be drawn between realism and balance.

And it should be drawn before we get to those elements.

The game should try to emulate other works about zombies like 28 Days Later, Dawn Of The Dead and The Walking Dead (the comic, mostly. The show as backup).

Never did see any of those items in those.

I can see where you are coming from, but on the balance being it's a simulator, these weapons exist means they should be included in the game...

Realism is cried almost everyday here, then i see the same people post that they don't want to see thermals...

I am gonna break it down as a simple as i can on why Thermals should be included, maybe "dumbed" down but still there,

Campers and ghuillie suits are a common occurance, but the thermal is not... those who have the thermal then have the upper edge over the hidden, on a ratio perspective (taking scripting and duping out the picture) there are so many more Ghullie suited guys out there to people who have the Thermal rifles, and again when groups band together they need that advantage or they simply would get gunned down by the breathing bush.

I love reading the arguments posted here and some i will admit in favour of getting rid of the weapons do make perfect sense and are feesable, but keeping to the "realistic survival simulator" these weapons should be included as they are in the arsenal of almost every modern army today.

[jdz (DayZ) 238]

Found one after about 1 1/2 months of playing, I hated it and ditched it for an M4A3. My team has 2 at the moment, thank fully one of our guys actually enjoys using it so he always has one

[svenbreakfast 231]

When I needed it, it was there, and gave me a very satisfying kill against my nemesis who I must admit was every bit as stealthy as he was a bad shot. It was pretty much the ideal situation for me to have that gun in my nearby tent. Generally I don't like it, but there are situations when it is precisely the tool for the job.

[Jex =TE= (DayZ) 218]

can i just correct you ever so slightly on your figures.... Single rifleman using an SA80 A2 Rifle with SUSAT is accurate to 200m. a group of 4 increases that to 600m...

No you can't otherwise how were we hitting targets quite easily on the range at 300m then with iron sights? SUSAT is a x4 optic so you next post doesn't even make sense

LOL 200m

[Derpy_Hooves (DayZ) 4521]

No you can't otherwise how were we hitting targets quite easily on the range at 300m then with iron sights? SUSAT is a x4 optic so you next post doesn't even make sense

LOL 200m

Funny how i took those stats from the British Armies "Shoot to Kill" book. Oh and also my Section Leader said the same statistics during our first weapons lesson and were asked regularly during the course of my basic training...

Yes the SUSAT is 4x optic but that doesn't change the physical accuracy of the weapon... the LA85 was designed for Northern Ireland in mind, close quarter combat mainly in built up residential areas. The SLR at the time was using 7.62 rounds, damn accurate at range but no good CQB and it went through houses killing old granny smith in the house next to the one your firing in.

the LA85 was designed for close combat with high accuracy at say 200m with a high rate of fire.

Edited September 28, 2012 by Derpy_Hooves

[Jex =TE= (DayZ) 218]

Funny how i took those stats from the British Armies "Shoot to Kill" book. Oh and also my Section Leader said the same statistics during our first weapons lesson and were asked regularly during the course of my basic training...

Yes the SUSAT is 4x optic but that doesn't change the physical accuracy of the weapon... the LA85 was designed for Northern Ireland in mind, close quarter combat mainly in built up residential areas. The SLR at the time was using 7.62 rounds, damn accurate at range but no good CQB and it went through houses killing old granny smith in the house next to the one your firing in.

the LA85 was designed for close combat with high accuracy at say 200m with a high rate of fire.

No you wrote:

Really with the SUSAT sight it becomes a lethal CQB weapon.. at the moment the sight doesn't work with the lethal range of the weapon

Why would you need a SUSAT x4 optical for CQB? That doesn't even make sense

Regardless of what your section leader said, the weapon IS perfectly accurate to far greater distances than what your say - I know - I've fired it and hit things way beyond what ur touting as it's "effective range"

I also question your "Designed for CQB" - it's a bullpup configuration - ever needed to use the weapon in your left hand? Have fun with a face full of red hot casings in your face.

[Derpy_Hooves (DayZ) 4521]

No you wrote:

Really with the SUSAT sight it becomes a lethal CQB weapon.. at the moment the sight doesn't work with the lethal range of the weapon

Why would you need a SUSAT x4 optical for CQB? That doesn't even make sense

Regardless of what your section leader said, the weapon IS perfectly accurate to far greater distances than what your say - I know - I've fired it and hit things way beyond what ur touting as it's "effective range"

I also question your "Designed for CQB" - it's a bullpup configuration - ever needed to use the weapon in your left hand? Have fun with a face full of red hot casings in your face.

Yes i wrongly worded the SUSAT for CQB though i like it, especially when i was doing FIBUA, if not looking down the sight directly i just used the emergency iron sight on top and compensated.

I have hit things greater than 200m too, being that at the 300m range and War Camp. but not with the greatest of accuracy...

I'm not retarded enough to fire it from the left hand, even though im left handed and had fired rifles and shotguns from my left shoulder, though using the right as it was designed for is easier than i thought. Ever wondered why it's such a short rifle design, stubby barrel?? CQB thats why, and don't get me started on the length of the carbine.

[Derpy_Hooves (DayZ) 4521]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA80

Effective range 450m Iron Sight 650m SUSAT

Accurately you need more than one rifle firing on those positions.

Individually the rifle is good for 200-300m.

[Jex =TE= (DayZ) 218]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA80

Effective range 450m Iron Sight 650m SUSAT

Accurately you need more than one rifle firing on those positions.

Individually the rifle is good for 200-300m.

Bullshit - are you talking completely out your ass? Now it's good for 300m? what happened to 200m - have you actually fired it because when I did my training most of us had no problems hitting targets out to 300m. Here let me quote you from the British Army website

SA80 is the designation for a revolutionary family of assault weapons. On its introduction, it proved so accurate that the Army marksmanship tests had to be redesigned.

Effective range - 400m

The barrel length is 51cm - the reason it looks shorter is because of the bullpup configuration. When you're talking about effective in combat you're referring to getting as much fire downrange to increase the chances of hitting a target. Shooting in combat is WAY different than shooting on a range. That's why you lay down fire to suppress and hopefully kill the enemy, not because the bullet goes spastic after 200 frikkin meters.

I referred to your other hand because in CQB, being able to use your left shoulder is preferable in some situations (in fact for every right hand corner u go around). A bullpup is useless for this so "designed for CQB" doesn't make a lot of sense.

EDIT: In terms of arma, the rifle should be perfectly accurate to 600m or more.

Edited September 28, 2012 by Jex =TE=

[Derpy_Hooves (DayZ) 4521]

Yes fired it many times, god you guys must have all been using laser sights or something, lemmie ask what your average grouping was prone at 300m?? i can tell you mine and quite of my platoon were far from "highly accurate"

I am quite aware of the strategic firing purpose of the rifle in a combat situation, there is a reason they use it to surpress at 300m+, yes it will hit the target area and make them keep their heads down but how many shots are you letting off before you actually hit what you are aiming at?

Again surpressing means multiple weapons being used on one or more targets, we are on about a single rifleman in combat.. if you use 6 L85's on one target then you are then pretty much alligning its accuracy at range with the L86LSW.

Oh and my SUSAT was set to India 9 just if you wanted to know, prefered it to what most people had theirs set at (mainly India 7)

1 man, one L85....

and as for right hand corners... you stack up as we learned in FIBUA... you did do FIBUA right?

[christopherwright_75@hotmail.co.uk 109]

Hate to tell you derpy but your section commander was a bit off grouping doesn't factor in effective range the ability to hit a man sized target does.

It's 400M or 600M section fire, I civilianised in early 2010 so unless it changed since then thats what should be instructed.

[Derpy_Hooves (DayZ) 4521]

Hate to tell you derpy but your section commander was a bit off grouping doesn't factor in effective range the ability to hit a man sized target does.

It's 400M or 600M section fire, I civilianised in early 2010 so unless it changed since then thats what should be instructed.

was always tought 200m individual, but 600m sectioned... i always thought that, trying to hit a small piece of paper wouldn't equal a 6ft person.. i dunno, maybe it's to get us zoned into specific areas so we aint scattering shots.. but funny why my section commander kept mentioning 200m, thats got me thinking....

[Venzire 76]

Awesome scope, terrible gun. I only use it if I am on overwatch.

Only description.

[Jex =TE= (DayZ) 218]

Aah I see now we're going to try and change the argument here are we since yours is getting a little thin? We're talking about accuracy of the rifle, not squads or groupings but how accurate the rifle is, which is accurate and not a "CQB weapon accurate to 200m"

Regardless of what you are aiming at, if you can hit it at 300m or 400m or 200m it can be hit again at those ranges. It also depends on the situation, adrenaline pumped hands or calm, "i'm in no danger" type of hands - what rounds are coming your way and how much time you have to aim. Since we're talking DayZ here, taking out a zed or person should not be too difficult. I have one in game, I've yet to use it (Actually i can't stand the thermal scope) but what I hear it's an inaccurate POS.

[grubby 1]

Only good for spotters, rather my FN FAL

[reuben5150 83]

I can see where you are coming from, but on the balance being it's a simulator, these weapons exist means they should be included in the game...

Completely wrong.

[sostronk 334]

Nice guide. Its almost tempting to use this weapon. The TWS is a really good utility aspect of the weapon. Not to mention use of stanag rounds. But its effective range is a bit rough. 300m :/

[hombrecz 832]

Feels tad cheap to me

[syndicatefaction 118]

Great gun, but the Stanag silenced is totally useless in the L85. Not even worth trying to shoot anybody or a zombie with it. Not even 5m away.

You can also use the + and - keys on number pad and zoom in and out.

Edited September 29, 2012 by SyndicateFaction