Banned from a server.

[MilknCookies 1]

I was about to play DayZ, then when i connected to a server, it said i was banned, i didnt read it completely but it was something like this -

YOU HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THE SERVER

REASON: USING HACKED WEAPON, AS50 TWS.

I heard you got banned for hacking, not using hacked stuff.

Now as i try to connect to any server i get ''Connecting Failed''

[nik21 287]

Next time don't use a hacked weapon. A server admin can ban you for that if he wants to.

And you have to return to the main menu in order to connect to servers again.

[dinoSF 1]

you can not be banned for using a hacked in weapon

[enforcer1975 1111]

you can not be banned for using a hacked in weapon

Yes you can. If the server admins say they don't allow them then they are not allowed... Most players are lucky because a lot of MOTD i read when joining say you shall not use hacked in weapons and you are not autobanned upon joining by script, so whoever doesn't read or chooses not to read it has to live with the consequences...

[(OCN)xXxALLANxXx 17]

Yes you can. If the server admins say they don't allow them then they are not allowed... Most players are lucky because a lot of MOTD i read when joining say you shall not use hacked in weapons and you are not autobanned upon joining by script, so whoever doesn't read or chooses not to read it has to live with the consequences...

Actually you can't. Rocket himself has stated that using "hacked" weapons is competely allowed and won't get you banned. In the "hosting a server guidelines" it states you can not ban someone for using hacked weapons also.

[dallas 5195]

Since the proof of concept days are over, Rocket has revisited his stance on private hives and since AS50 TWS are more common than Lee Enfields, someone had to do something. People are getting banned all over for carrying illegal weapons, just find a server where they are more relaxed about cheating.

Edited September 22, 2012 by Dallas

[cwc_shadow 70]

Actually you can't. Rocket himself has stated that using "hacked" weapons is competely allowed and won't get you banned. In the "hosting a server guidelines" it states you can not ban someone for using hacked weapons also.

Here are the server hosting rules. Show me the paragraph that doesn't allow admins to ban for hacked in (= cheated) weapons. Rockets statement was about a global DayZ ban as you canr ead by his answer. No matter how often it is repeated that he would have said that you are free to use hacked stuff and can't be banned by an admin for it, it's not true. Here said that he (= the DayZ staff) won't globally ban you for it ebcause they can't be sure if you really hacked it in or jsut picked it up. To avoid newbies getting globally banned for using hacked gear not knowing it was ahcked, they decided not to global ban for it.

Now comes the important but: if someone knowingly uses hacked gear, he is cheating. Rule #11 of the hosting rules allows admins to ban for cheating if they have proof (logs), which they usually have as they can see which gear a palyer used upon joining the server or what he accessed. So basically server admins can ban players for using hacked stuff, because that can be considered cheating. How can some members of this communtiy actually think hacking stuff in is cheating and bad, but using that stuff is not??? Seriously, I want one solid explanation on why using hacked-in equipment is not considered cheating and against the server hosting rules? DayZ staff removed the M107 TWS from the game because it was totally overpowered. The AS-50 TWS never was in the game and always hacked. When the M107 TWS got removed, there had been less than a dozens of legit ones around according to a staff members post. The chance for one of those still being around (and not just a dupe or hacked version) is around zero after such a long time.

If a server admins warns you in the message of the day (MOTD) upon joining that hacked gear is not legit and even links to a list of legit items and you ingore that, still join and get banned on that server, it's your problem. I already banned a bunch of people on our clanserver for using hacked gear. I got a MOTD warning them not to join and that they should read my list of legit items if they are unsure. There is a message broadcasted on the server every 30 minutes about it too with the link. If they still don't want to listen they get banned so the fair players on the server are protected from those cheaters. I will lift a ban for hacked gear one time, but if that players does it again he will be permabanned.

TL:DR: Unless the server hosting rules get altered, admins can ban for cheating if they have proof. If a player knowingly uses hacked gear, he is cheating. Having the logs is proof. So according to rule #11 they can get banned.

If you don't like that, simply join one of the servers who don't give a shit if you cheat or hack and where you can sniper newbies at the beach from a mile away with your unelgit AS-50 TWS.

Edited September 22, 2012 by System98

[Tex Willer 47]

How can some members of this communtiy actually think hacking stuff in is cheating and bad, but using that stuff is not???

^THIS

[AADiC 182]

^THIS

Simple, they are cheaters also.

[Swineflew 480]

Simple, not everyone who plays DayZ uses a wiki to verify every weapon the loot off a dead body.

Believe it or not, a lot of players don't use third party sites (wiki) as an official listing of what weapons they can and can't use.

I'm willing to bet a lot of players loot hacked weapons and have no idea that it's a hacked weapon.

[Anon88 0]

You're wrong. Admins never read the server rules. Most admins make up rules. It doesn't you're allowed to ban people for it nor against it.

Nor is it really cheating as the weapons are easily found on other players + they get turned to makarovs every so often.

So it is their choice if they want it or not. Besides i've been servers that remove your whole gear if you have a hacked in weapon, removing gear should be considered hacking.

You are not permitted to ban for suspected cheats or exploits of a non-server-disruptive nature, including but not limited to ghosting, unverified cheating, duping and similar, UNLESS you have solid evidence, IE logs.

And seeing a hacked in weapon in the logs is NOT proof, as it is not cheating not matter what you say. you are not allowed to ban them and even so you would need to post the proof in the forums and not take justice in your own hands. Because admin's judgement are more emotional than objective.

Edited September 25, 2012 by Anon88

[AADiC 182]

You're wrong. Admins never read the server rules. Most admins make up rules. It doesn't you're allowed to ban people for it nor against it.

Nor is it really cheating as the weapons are easily found on other players + they get turned to makarovs every so often.

So it is their choice if they want it or not. Besides i've been servers that remove your whole gear if you have a hacked in weapon, removing gear should be considered hacking.

You are not permitted to ban for suspected cheats or exploits of a non-server-disruptive nature, including but not limited to ghosting, unverified cheating, duping and similar, UNLESS you have solid evidence, IE logs.

And seeing a hacked in weapon in the logs is NOT proof, as it is not cheating not matter what you say. you are not allowed to ban them and even so you would need to post the proof in the forums and not take justice in your own hands. Because admin's judgement are more emotional than objective.

The weapon is not in the game, it doesnt spawn. If you use it you are cheating, why people cant understand that boggles my mind.

[Anon88 0]

The weapon is not in the game, it doesnt spawn. If you use it you are cheating, why people cant understand that boggles my mind.

If rocket allows them to be used as long as they are spawned, it is not cheating as they are allowed by the CREATOR.

Even if you don't approve of it, that's your problem. If you can't follow the rules of the servers then there will be consequences.

And clearly note that SOLID evidence, owning a weapon that is not in the game is not evidence as I said is allowed by rocket to use hence overwriting your opinion on the case.

Nor are you allowed to ban cuz they have it, If you have proof he spawned them in the game on a server. Then it's a different story. though it says that if you find a hacked in weapon it becomes a legit weapon to use hence not banable.

It seems you people can not gasp that.

qouting rocket:

Using a hacked vehicle/weapon will identify you during database analysis, and your character may receive special logging attention in the database, but you will not receive a ban without creating them yourself.

If rocket doesn't ban you for hacked weapons, what makes you admins think you're above that?

And AS50 TWS was a legit weapon in a previous version of dayz, so some of them could have been legit and remnants of that

Edited September 25, 2012 by Anon88

[AADiC 182]

If rocket allows them to be used as long as they are spawned, it is not cheating as they are allowed by the CREATOR.

Even if you don't approve of it, that's your problem. If you can't follow the rules of the servers then there will be consequences.

And clearly note that SOLID evidence, owning a weapon that is not in the game is not evidence as I said is allowed by rocket to use hence overwriting your opinion on the case.

Nor are you allowed to ban cuz they have it, If you have proof he spawned them in the game on a server. Then it's a different story. though it says that if you find a hacked in weapon it becomes a legit weapon to use hence not banable.

It seems you people can not gasp that.

qouting rocket:

Using a hacked vehicle/weapon will identify you during database analysis, and your character may receive special logging attention in the database, but you will not receive a ban without creating them yourself.

If rocket doesn't ban you for hacked weapons, what makes you admins think you're above that?

And AS50 TWS was a legit weapon in a previous version of dayz, so some of them could have been legit and remnants of that

Well, quite a few SA's kick then ban for them. DayZ Team Members endorse the tool for auto kick/banning people with them. Nothing will come about if you kick and/or ban someone for using illegal weapons.

Again, they were removed from the game for a reason. Now, if the CREATOR does not want them in the game, then anyone who has one in game is cheating and not playing the game as it was intended to be played. One can only guess at why they have that asinine rule that says only people who script them in can be kick/banned. My guess is that they just don't care enough and are to busy to change the rule.

[Anon88 0]

Well, quite a few SA's kick then ban for them. DayZ Team Members endorse the tool for auto kick/banning people with them. Nothing will come about if you kick and/or ban someone for using illegal weapons.

Again, they were removed from the game for a reason. Now, if the CREATOR does not want them in the game, then anyone who has one in game is cheating and not playing the game as it was intended to be played. One can only guess at why they have that asinine rule that says only people who script them in can be kick/banned. My guess is that they just don't care enough and are to busy to change the rule.

Not quite, server admins ban people for it warning or not. the tools or plugins they use for example removing inventory was never approved as it is a third party plugin and the creators don't have anything to do with it. I beg to differ that nothing will happen if you kick/ban people for using illegal weapons as they do not follow the rules and make up their own rules. You can not deny that some admins feel more important than they truly are. I've been on servers and killed the admin and got banned for it cuz they couldn't handle it even though he kept killing other people.

They are allowed to use but that doesn't mean you will keep them forever. Ofcourse he is going to remove them once and a while to clear it from the database. But that doesn't mean the rules have changed that it suddenly became illegal to use them. Like I said, if you want to use them fine, but if you're gonna login some day and it turned into a makarov that's what you choose. Banning people for it on the other hand is/should not be allowed. If he truly wanted the illegal weapons to be gone he could have easily made every illegal weapon a makarov and after that if someone still makes illegal weapons get globally banned so they can't spread it like that anymore. But that kind of action doesn't seem to happen. So somewhere it's not one of their greatest concern as hackers are a bigger concern than the actual people who find it legit. None the less people tend to make servers but aren't aware of the server rules.

And unless rocket elaborates on the fact what is "cheating" then it could be anything what the people want it to be. Cheating has never been defined as using illegal weapons, people see it that way just to ban them. Which is wrong. As long as he doesn't clarify what he means by cheating this conversation will go in a circle. And since rocket already gave the green light that using illegal weapons is ok as long as you find them overrides your argument. If rocket says it's okay that means people need to accept it that there will be people using it. But people can't accept that and make up rules just cause they think they're above the rules of the actual dayz server rules.

I'm against hacking and it truly needs to stop. but if rocket or the creators don't actually stop the weapons from spreading then it's kind of their own fault after all HE SAID IT'S OKAY TO USE THEM. No matter what argument you bring, that sentence will keep getting slapped in your face. He may not want them in the game but he still says its okay, so it's not up to players or admins to decide whether they can/should ban people for it. As long as the creators allow people using them they should NEVER be banned.

[Magotchi 74]

Besides i've been servers that remove your whole gear if you have a hacked in weapon, removing gear should be considered hacking.

FYI, a very well-known Arma II and DayZ developer wrote the script for that functionality, and the odds are reasonable that that functionality (or something similar) may make its way into the official DayZ hive build. :-)

Edited September 26, 2012 by Mister_Magotchi

[AADiC 182]

Not quite, server admins ban people for it warning or not. the tools or plugins they use for example removing inventory was never approved as it is a third party plugin and the creators don't have anything to do with it. I beg to differ that nothing will happen if you kick/ban people for using illegal weapons as they do not follow the rules and make up their own rules. You can not deny that some admins feel more important than they truly are. I've been on servers and killed the admin and got banned for it cuz they couldn't handle it even though he kept killing other people.

They are allowed to use but that doesn't mean you will keep them forever. Ofcourse he is going to remove them once and a while to clear it from the database. But that doesn't mean the rules have changed that it suddenly became illegal to use them. Like I said, if you want to use them fine, but if you're gonna login some day and it turned into a makarov that's what you choose. Banning people for it on the other hand is/should not be allowed. If he truly wanted the illegal weapons to be gone he could have easily made every illegal weapon a makarov and after that if someone still makes illegal weapons get globally banned so they can't spread it like that anymore. But that kind of action doesn't seem to happen. So somewhere it's not one of their greatest concern as hackers are a bigger concern than the actual people who find it legit. None the less people tend to make servers but aren't aware of the server rules.

And unless rocket elaborates on the fact what is "cheating" then it could be anything what the people want it to be. Cheating has never been defined as using illegal weapons, people see it that way just to ban them. Which is wrong. As long as he doesn't clarify what he means by cheating this conversation will go in a circle. And since rocket already gave the green light that using illegal weapons is ok as long as you find them overrides your argument. If rocket says it's okay that means people need to accept it that there will be people using it. But people can't accept that and make up rules just cause they think they're above the rules of the actual dayz server rules.

I'm against hacking and it truly needs to stop. but if rocket or the creators don't actually stop the weapons from spreading then it's kind of their own fault after all HE SAID IT'S OKAY TO USE THEM. No matter what argument you bring, that sentence will keep getting slapped in your face. He may not want them in the game but he still says its okay, so it's not up to players or admins to decide whether they can/should ban people for it. As long as the creators allow people using them they should NEVER be banned.

TBH, I don't care, and either do a lot of the SA's because allowing people to use the weapons is unfair to other players who want to play the game THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED TO BE PLAYED. TBH the rule allowing people to use hacked in weapons says to me that either Rocket doesn't give a damn about cheating, and Rocket doesn't give a damn about hacking. You can't be for stopping people from introducing hacked weapons, and at the same time be OK with people using them, that is plain stupid.

There are no consequences for kick/banning people for it, how do I know this, I did it for many months, server was never blacklisted. There are threads on the OFFICIAL DayZ forums advertising scripts that do it automatically (being endorsed and used by DayZ Team members), and the threads are not being locked or deleted, the Team members endorsing them/using them are not being "fired".

It is cheating and anyone with an ounce of common sense would realize that.

[John (DayZ) 62]

I think your opinion on this matter is just that - an opinion. Personally I don't particularly care if somebody uses a hacked in weapon if they didn't hack it in; I feel the argument that they are cheaters is equivalent to calling a hunter a gunsmith. He's got the rifle in his hands, doesn't he? Clearly he's the same as the man who made it.

I will say, however, that you lot running your servers have been pretty brazenly defying the very short list of rules that DayZ server admins have to follow - and you've been doing it for months now. To be frank, I can barely be bothered to care, but I'm very surprised that your servers haven't been blacklisted for what I consider to be flouting your "power" in Rocket's face. Hey, whatever, though.

[AADiC 182]

I think your opinion on this matter is just that - an opinion. Personally I don't particularly care if somebody uses a hacked in weapon if they didn't hack it in; I feel the argument that they are cheaters is equivalent to calling a hunter a gunsmith. He's got the rifle in his hands, doesn't he? Clearly he's the same as the man who made it.

I will say, however, that you lot running your servers have been pretty brazenly defying the very short list of rules that DayZ server admins have to follow - and you've been doing it for months now. To be frank, I can barely be bothered to care, but I'm very surprised that your servers haven't been blacklisted for what I consider to be flouting your "power" in Rocket's face. Hey, whatever, though.

If people cannot see how utterly ridiculous it is to allow people not to hack weapons in, but allow people to use them weapons, I don't have words.

[TBK434 6]

Server admins CAN and WILL ban you for using hacked weapons whether you knew or not. If they are reasonable, you can contact them regarding the issue and they may unban you. Also the wiki is there for a reason, it's not hard to alt tab and check. Honestly, the brain capacity of these forums is the percentage my hamster could comprehend.

If that was too long for some mentally handiclaps on the forums, I'll put it into a shorter sentence.

Server Admins Can Ban You For Using Hacked Weapons. Done, Get over it, Nothing you can do to change.

[John (DayZ) 62]

If people cannot see how utterly ridiculous it is to allow people not to hack weapons in, but allow people to use them weapons, I don't have words.

Then it sounds like you don't have a particularly firm position to argue from.

[AADiC 182]

Then it sounds like you don't have a particularly firm position to argue from.

I have words, words that I wont use here because i'll get a ban.

There is no reason what so ever, including the word of Rocket, that should make it alright to use a HACKED weapon.

Use the brain that is in your head.

[John (DayZ) 62]

I have words, words that I wont use here because i'll get a ban.

There is no reason what so ever, including the word of Rocket, that should make it alright to use a HACKED weapon.

Use the brain that is in your head.

As far as I'm concerned, you're arguing my point for you; clearly, you're emotionally biased, because only the potential threat of being suspended from the forum is keeping you from verbally lashing out at me - and for what? Not sharing your opinion? Does it bother you so much that other people have views that don't intersect with or run parallel to your own?

The heart of the matter: you can't really provide a reason that players carrying hacked in weapons are also cheaters besides (and these are just some colorful examples): "I said so!"; "It's obvious, duh!"; "If you don't understand, you must just be stupid!" ad infinitum - any series of words that absolve you of actually arguing your viewpoint.

Clearly it isn't as clear-cut as you'd like to think, given simply by the fact that I, and others, disagree with you.

Have a reasonable, rational, well thought-out argument for your position ready or don't have opinions, much less share them.

[dms (DayZ) 24]

lol cant believe 2 pages of arguments about getting banned for using hacked in weapons, guess what? You got banned for using hacked in weapons.. so sad.. now u cry on the forums, noone cares. A weapon is banned in the game, you have it, you got banned for it. That particular server Admin didnt like you using hacked in weaps so you go bye bye. thankfully theres 5000+ other servers for you to cheat in.

Edited September 26, 2012 by dms

[Swineflew 480]

I've already given ample reason why you shouldn't be banned for just having a hacked in weapon.

Why people can't understand that boggles my mind.