I will never adopt the kill on site mentality

[Sula 1205]

Nice cat in spacesuit, Red!

I don't say any way of playing is the right way or the wrong way but I do say if I think someone's doing something I think is stupid or childish, as that's the point of forums - to express opinions. :thumbsup:

[that 1 stranger 19]

this is a thread based upon people's opinions on how they play DayZ. Why were you expecting anything different?

Actually yes. Yes I was. lol

[DoomsdayClock 34]

I believe in humanity.

I may have died numerous times, and lost some stuff - but that stuff is just fluff.

I may die 80% oft the time, but the remaining 20% of the time I am pleased to make a new friend. In a scary world, knowing that there is a few people that believe in humanity the way you do, really makes you think we can get through this hell world.

If you see me in game just give me a friendly hello, or shoot me and take my axe and food and drink that will sustain you for a couple of hours.

Kill on site? I say Hello on Site, no matter how many times I die, I will never kill on site, because I believe in humanity.

My friends and I play like this as well. Most lone bandits stay away from us because we outnumber them, but we do get into pointless firefights a lot. I think we figured out that about 25% of the players we bump into are friendly and 75% just shoot at us the first chance they get.

i.e. tonight we offered to give a guy a blood transfusion and some basic supplies. He just shot my friend then alt + f4'd instead. So playing as the nice friendly survivor can be trying at times. But yeah, I never shoot on sight. Only in self-defense.

I actually don't get angry when I'm killed by another player in a skirmish. For all I know he could be completely out of food or drink or running low on ammo and he's just wanting to kill me to survive. But it does annoy me when I'm sniped on the beach or something.

[Sula 1205]

I would never kill another player for their food or drink or anything. I would much sooner die. You have a very tolerant attitude. I agree about sniping. It does suck. :thumbsup:

[Kraorr 6]

The way I'm starting to see the game is: Bandit = playing DayZ just to shoot ppl down for no reason or, overly cautious. Then again with all the bugged skins depending on humanity, it's hard to get a bit more of a demeanor read. So far I've only been shot from suddenly extremely close (shots almost raping my eardrums), can't see the guy and z's around not aggroing with no nearby cover/bushes... but that's another story heheh. One more offtopic though: anyone been having some weird humanity reset happening? Seems it happened to me everytime I put a camo on. My humanity was at 5k and I was stuck with the "neutral" appearence for a week; put one camo yesterday and my humanity got reset to 0, then died and every new life I have 0 humanity, but now I have hero skin... But I run as fast as a bandit... lol :( I wonder how the other players see my skin, if it's only on my side or both...

Back to topic... KoS has a reasonable understanding given how the game simply does not incite any mechanic to players to actually team up with strangers. Should the player skins not be bugged, it further incites KoS: You are actually a paranoid/cautious player and opt for KoS, ending up with a Bandit skin: a hero sees you: you're the only KoS policy to him should he really want to keep his humanity at 5k and, it's telling him you are a KoS guy for *whatever* the reason it is. Meet another bandit: you are needed dead to him. Meet a neutral: same thing. You are neutral: you are credited with the "unpredictable" skin. Best to avoid you, or KoS you.

You are a hero: if you encounter anyone between neutral and bandit, you are a free kill for the neutral guy that wants a one trick pony kill before getting bandit skin and for the bandit he needs you dead since they are hostile to all and they will be hostile to you as well, hero or not... You are a neutral guy who wants to be nice? Good luck bro, ppl will just run away from you or KoS... At least in that sense once you hit your hero skin, you really earned it and it will mean a dedicated behavior to you... But people can just have a buddy team over a voice application, let you be the spotter and the guy that patches up your m8's. So over in all, the only difference with humanity is if you want to run faster, or have a better aim. Conclusion to me with all the KoS: the only, most reliable skin that is working as intended is the Bandit skin. Anything else is potentially a future bandit, or a hero mole.

Right now I'm trying to incite people more into a "why not help each other" instead of a "why not left mouse button only". I mean, I actually did hope that the skins would structure the game a bit but even then you have people with devious ideas to trick you into many kinds of betrayal or premeditated bandit group traps... But either way I quickly give up and go back to the "just effin' run you nice guy, you" because people just can't get to their heads that some actually do enjoy helping people giving/finding what they need, tell them if you saw what they're looking for in spots you checked 5 mins ago and so on... Yeah, it takes trusting but if you really think about it, there wouldn't be much reason to gun each other down everytime.

I think DayZ needs more ingame mechanics to make this happen. Hell, maybe even more different types of skins depending on other factors. Would love to see some kind of trader skin as well in which killing traders would give you a different meanie skin and so on. At any rate, whether it's for the thrill, for taking no risks, for griefing and so on, KoS will always be here. But I'd rather play the social kind: if I really want to play a fps for KoS, I'd rather do that on a game that was designed to be that way.

Edited September 1, 2012 by Kraorr

[gambles 234]

Way to play man, http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/84699-bad-advice/

Follow that advice and for me the game has gotten so much better.

[team_player 42]

One day you'll grow some balls and shoot on site like the rest of the world

[haggard93 0]

Good to see some people still have the mentality and balls not to shoot on sight lol. You meet some interesting people nd it adds to the game!

[Axz 30]

I believe in humanity.

I may have died numerous times, and lost some stuff - but that stuff is just fluff.

I may die 80% oft the time, but the remaining 20% of the time I am pleased to make a new friend. In a scary world, knowing that there is a few people that believe in humanity the way you do, really makes you think we can get through this hell world.

If you see me in game just give me a friendly hello, or shoot me and take my axe and food and drink that will sustain you for a couple of hours.

Kill on site? I say Hello on Site, no matter how many times I die, I will never kill on site, because I believe in humanity.

Like everything in life, it's circumstancial and easier said than done.

If you see an unarmed player running through the forest bleeding ofc you don't shoot on sight, say hello to him/her/Quina and try to help with a bandage, food, blood bag, etc (although it might be a trap, unlikely, but possible). If you see a unarmed player get killed by a bandit for no reason then ofc you don't say hello, but rather take out the bandit if possible.

Suvirors and bandits are the two easy skins to know what to do with, if I see a survivor I will make sure he cannot see me and try to make contact (although I have a bug where dead bodies stand up as if they where still alive, so I find myself doing a John Edwards and trying to talk to dead people :/). If I see a bandit I must confirm it's a bandit and then kill him/her/Quina if possible without risking my own life.

Ghillies are the ones that get me, I can't tell whether it's a bandit or suvivor. I am also in ghillie so niether of us know if we are hostile or not, I try to avoid them altoghther.

As I was heading to the barracks for a M9 SD I ran right into another ghilled player, we both stopped dead and aimed about an inch away from each others heads so we where ready to fight, but where not pointing the guns at each other so the other player knew that neither of us wanted to fire the first shot. We VERY slowly circled each other 180 degrees, I ran in the barracks and he ran off, first neutral/nice player i'd ever encountered without prior planning.

Some complete strangers where riding along the coast beside my in a boat and said on the mic' "Yo buddy on the bike, you need a ride?" There where two of them, one could have easily killed me and taken the bike and hoarded both vehciles for themselfs, but didn't, there are nice players out there, but we are outnumberd HUGELY.

"Outnumberd, but never out-gunned." - Time Splitters 2.

[{CQF} PFC Demyan 43]

Actually yes. Yes I was. lol

Now if but why? What were you expecting? Space cat is curious.

[MikaelM 45]

I, like many other players out there, have quite a history with games which require you to kill others in order to win to the point of playing semi-professional in a clan for some time. I am used to shoot-on-sight and I understand why people enjoy this way of playing. Despite all that I have not shot a single person in DayZ, let alone killed anyone. I firmly believe that you can have fun roleplaying this game without crossing the border of humanity. Instead of a player killer I became a roaming medic, treating everyone equal. I have encountered many deaths, lost a ridiculous amount of stuff but to me that does not matter at all. The most enjoyable part of my job as medic is to get to know others. I hear about their gaming background, their real life, their personality. Instead of better equipment I got friends to survive with or playing something entirely else.

[Sula 1205]

Haven't seen you in a while, MichaekM. It's always a pleasure to run in to you in dayz. And not just because you're usually saving my life, repeatedly! :thumbsup: :beans:

[that 1 stranger 19]

Now if but why? What were you expecting? Space cat is curious.

I was expecting people to come here and justify why they are a hero or why they are a bandit. Which they did.

I was expecting people to come here and swap stories about how being a good guy/bad guy is rewarding. Which they did... for the good guys.

I was expecting people to come here and try to find people to team up with. Which you helped do.

I was expecting someone to make the threat of, "I'm going to copy everyone's name here and shoot you on sight" because they are an internet and DayZ badass. Haven't seen that.

I was expecting a flame war. I saw one starting up and then it quickly died out because the guy decided to stop talking like an internet badass.

I was expecting someone to come in here and start bawling about how the good guys need better stuff for being good. I saw half of that.

I was also expecting someone to start going off topic... which is what you and I are doing right now. :D

Those are the things I can list off the top of my head at the moment.

[{CQF} PFC Demyan 43]

I was expecting people to come here and justify why they are a hero or why they are a bandit. Which they did.

I was expecting people to come here and swap stories about how being a good guy/bad guy is rewarding. Which they did... for the good guys.

I was expecting people to come here and try to find people to team up with. Which you helped do.

I was expecting someone to make the threat of, "I'm going to copy everyone's name here and shoot you on sight" because they are an internet and DayZ badass. Haven't seen that.

I was expecting a flame war. I saw one starting up and then it quickly died out because the guy decided to stop talking like an internet badass.

I was expecting someone to come in here and start bawling about how the good guys need better stuff for being good. I saw half of that.

I was also expecting someone to start going off topic... which is what you and I are doing right now. :D

Those are the things I can list off the top of my head at the moment.

For this I give you beans :) Hopefully I may see you in game. perhaps as a member of The Coalition. No expectations or pressure, of course

http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/73671-the-coalition-changing-the-culture-of-dayz/

[Justine42 35]

I'm currently 14 days old, 10k humanity, full blown carebear. Everyone I've killed has shot at me first. Being friendly does not mean dying pointlessly or constantly, it just means you have to be smart enough to survive by approaching situations differently. Don't let them see you, don't run directly at them yelling friendly, etc. I generally position myself where I can see them, but they can't see me, and I instruct them to lower the weapon/face away from me/put the gun in their backpack. Provide food/drinks/medical/ammo or whatever they need. Then vanish into thin air in my ghillie suit and wait for the next victim to come along.

I've survived 2 weeks straight with this method. A little observational skill and understanding of human nature (i.e. probably 50% of them would kill me if I turn around) is all it takes to survive for a long time as a friendly. I find it far more challenging, engaging, and entertaining than killing everything I see.

Thank your taking the time to post in my thead. It's great to find someone else out there who enjoys the same playstyle as myself. I am not a huge FPS Shooter person, is there any tips you could provide?

Either way you have my beans, and I will continue to not shot on sight. Even if I die a milion times, I will learn to make this playstyle work.

[Justine42 35]

I was expecting people to come here and justify why they are a hero or why they are a bandit. Which they did.

I was expecting people to come here and swap stories about how being a good guy/bad guy is rewarding. Which they did... for the good guys.

I was expecting people to come here and try to find people to team up with. Which you helped do.

I was expecting someone to make the threat of, "I'm going to copy everyone's name here and shoot you on sight" because they are an internet and DayZ badass. Haven't seen that.

I was expecting a flame war. I saw one starting up and then it quickly died out because the guy decided to stop talking like an internet badass.

I was expecting someone to come in here and start bawling about how the good guys need better stuff for being good. I saw half of that.

I was also expecting someone to start going off topic... which is what you and I are doing right now. :D

Those are the things I can list off the top of my head at the moment.

Great post! This is just a discussion and I am glad we are keeping it that way.

[Angel Knight 427]

Thank your taking the time to post in my thead. It's great to find someone else out there who enjoys the same playstyle as myself. I am not a huge FPS Shooter person, is there any tips you could provide?

Either way you have my beans, and I will continue to not shot on sight. Even if I die a milion times, I will learn to make this playstyle work.

Happy to provide any info that might help you, although I will send it privately so as to prevent the topic from being derailed.

[black people 14]

Good on you, and don't fucking change.

Apparently (according to the various arguments used by bandits/children on here), the "realistic" thing to do in a situation such as the one that has befallen Chernarus would be to --instead of sticking together, helping each other to eradicate the zombie infestation and rebuilding society-- slaughter every living, non-infected human on sight, man or woman, simply because you have a gun and it's "fun" to shoot stuff. There are others who claim that the "only" way to survive is by killing other people and taking their stuff, but I'm sure that even they can see right through that excuse.

As long as you haven't stooped down to the "KOS becauze evryone else does :DDD" bullshit, then you're countering the CoD mentality that Day Z has become known for, and that's a good thing. Thank you.

[Edward b 83]

I wouldn't say that I'm kill on sight. My philosophy is simple: my survival is more important to me than your (or anyone else's) survival. This simply means that I am only looking out to live as long as I can- nothing else. I will not seek out kills, nor will I kill anyone I see. However, if I feel as though someone may jepordize my survival, I will put a bullet through them and not think twice. The only exception to this rule would be heroes, which are often medics.

I won't stalk my prey for loot, but that doesn't mean I won't roll a grenade through a doorway either. Just like Call of Duty 4, I'll just lie down and let them all pass :) However, if I get uncomfortable, I will end their life.

[dallas 5195]

Friendly advice.

Play DayZ as a military simulator.

I've heard Rocket say: "treat roads as rivers, cross them perpendicular."

Cross them prone to avoid zombies, cross them fast to avoid shooters.

Rely on cover and concealment and know the difference.

Cover will stop a bullet, concealment might prevent the bullet from being fired.

Whenever you move inside cities, move from cover to cover and use walls to shield you towards possible sniper positions. Keep cover close, keep on the move, change direction often and move unpredictable. Make it easier for whoever is aiming at you to miss the first shot and take off sprinting, when the first shot misses.

Just because you're friendly, doesn't mean you can't be careful.

If you meet an unarmed player, all you have to do is to make sure, they can't steal any weapons from your backpack.

A player with a axe, keep those at a safe distance.

An armed player, keep a corner, a shelf in the supermarket or something solid between you.

As soon as I spot a player in a city I call out friendly, friendly as I take cover. If the player shoots at me or tries to flank me, I'll conider it a threat to my safety. Depending on the situation, I will retreat, flee, fire a warning shoot or fight. I never start a conversation without being in cover. If someone is pointing a gun barrel at your face, you're completely at their mercy and it doesn't take much paranoia for two friendly people, poinitng guns at eachother for someone to pull the trigger.

If you meet someone and you both avoid eachother's line of fire, you're off to a good start. As long as noone is in danger and noone to trying to put the other in danger, there is room for a little trust. If noone is already shooting, engage in small talk. Ask what they are looking for, what they need, if they are on their own, where they are going. Trust your instincts, are they sinceer, are they mocking you? If you get the sense they are being condecending or something, prepare to escape or fight. Say good luck and good bye and watch your back, as you get as far away as fast and safe as possible.

Any person armed or unarmed can change their attitude towards you as soon as they find a weapon or find good loot. Whenever I'm in Cherno/Elektro, I carry little gear that can tempt weaker souls, I'm generous with the loot we find. I ask if the other player needs it, before I take it, to minimize conflict.

I'll rather run from a fight, than win it.

I only fight, if another friendly is in danger or hurt.

[Justine42 35]

Good on you, and don't fucking change.

Apparently (according to the various arguments used by bandits/children on here), the "realistic" thing to do in a situation such as the one that has befallen Chernarus would be to --instead of sticking together, helping each other to eradicate the zombie infestation and rebuilding society-- slaughter every living, non-infected human on sight, man or woman, simply because you have a gun and it's "fun" to shoot stuff. There are others who claim that the "only" way to survive is by killing other people and taking their stuff, but I'm sure that even they can see right through that excuse.

As long as you haven't stooped down to the "KOS becauze evryone else does :DDD" bullshit, then you're countering the CoD mentality that Day Z has become known for, and that's a good thing. Thank you.

And thank you for taking the time to post in my thread.

You have raised a good point, I browe the forums often (mostly a distraction from work, and what not) and I hear this crap all the time

"I used to be friendly, now its just easier to Kill On Sight"

The purpose of ths thread is to show that you should resist this mentality. At least if you consider yourself a humane survivor.

Let's be real here, this game in its current state is in alpha form. There really is no possible incentive to band together and eliminate the zombie infestation and resume life as it was before. Because the true meaning of the game is the conflict which arises from such an outbreak.

That being said, there is a time and place for conflict. If you waste potentially rare resources killing me then not even looting my body that is a complete waste.

Edited September 4, 2012 by Justine42

[CM LEGION 29]

I don't really believe in humanity and would much rather axe someone for the lols and go willy nilly, rather then waste time looking for random friendlies.

[Xt1nct10N 0]

This is quite an easy solution if you guys are looking for one, i learnt it the hard way when it was 2nd day into the game.

Crouched in a bush i was configuring my settings, as i was a total noob in the game and dont even know half the controls, i had a hachet and a hunting knife , it was already a godly step for me.

I would think it was a friendly who approached me and voiced me to lie on the floor, i didnt respond as i was checking my settings , he then proceeded to blow a hole in my foot and ran away, i had no medical gear, was bleeding with broken bones crawling in the middle of nowhere deep in the forest with my vision blurred it was such a shock as i was so helpless that i had to suicide and respawn, but not before raging using voice and local chat at the guy who shot me .

Well in the end, i didnt really blame him, and i do approve his tactic, as suggested quite a few times already in this post, best way to avoid a kos way for survival is to talk to the person when he can't see you, if he ignores you , avoid , if he loads up his gun and starts looking for you without replying, you annihilate him, currently i have an m107 looted inside the baracks from an afk guy's back pack (ho ho ho) and i am surely itching to use it on a bandit.

Bandits really do make the game, to have good , there must be bad, if there wern't any bad guys in this game, i wouldnt even bother playing, paranoia is what keeps me and my buddys playing this game, its ok if people want to be assholes, that gives us more organised survivors something to shoot at. :D

[Xt1nct10N 0]

I pardon my grammar in that post as i am typing from work and my free time is limited :P,

But here is one scenario of a crazy ass bandit ,

me and my friend was crouching into the small airfield beside cherno, as we were approaching through the bushes lying on the grass, we saw a crazy ass bandit driving a buss and using the horn like there is no tomorrow, proceeded to drive in front of another survivor , executed him with some sort of heavy machine gun and drove off. Could of and would of blown his buss with the m107 if we were facing the front of his bus, but we wern't , Oh Well :P.

[Stafoo 61]

I don't really believe in humanity and would much rather axe someone for the lols and go willy nilly, rather then waste time looking for random friendlies.

Just biking along mind my own business and such when I see a new spawn and decide to give him a proper Dayz welcome.

Hop off the bike and unload a clip well welcoming him to the game.

:3