On the Community Ban List - Don't Know Why

[Ferivich 1]

Hi everyone, I tried to log into a few servers today and was being told I was on the community ban list and I have no idea why. I found my log (468) http://code.google.com/p/dayz-community-banlist/source/browse/bans/bans.txt?spec=svnfdae8e89fe0d03a3a237937ba62b79f946867e7f&r=fdae8e89fe0d03a3a237937ba62b79f946867e7f#468 but it just doesn't tell me what I have done too actually get banned.

The only thing I can think of was about three weeks ago in CA1 I was on a fishing boat, it was destroyed by a helocopter and after I died and it showed "You Are Dead" I left the game too go do something else with the rest of the day.

Would anyone be able too tell me why I am banned?

Edited August 25, 2012 by Ferivich

[darklight12345 4]

because someone added you to the log, and most likely, the people running the list didn't try to verify, just like with a shitload of other people.

http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/73844-community-banlist/

go there, make an issue, and join the club of people getting fucked over by end-users.

[ryahn 112]

There is a forum that everyone is "suppose" post the people are suspected of cheating/hacking.

[byteslam (DayZ) 0]

Normaly you end up in the cumunity ban list if the admin proofs this with logs and if you have been reported by at least twice admins.. I am sure there is a minority of false positive but since we use this ban list in combination with the latest anticheat files from BI the cheaters on our server have been dropped down to an level where we can almost enjoy the game...

And BTW we are about 10 Players and nobody of us have been banned or kicked by a flase dectection which brings me to the point where I belive that all this whinny kids here have been cheated and now facing the consequences. Very simple, do not cheat and all will be fine.

[darklight12345 4]

Normaly you end up in the cumunity ban list if the admin proofs this with logs and if you have been reported by at least twice admins.. I am sure there is a minority of false positive but since we use this ban list in combination with the latest anticheat files from BI the cheaters on our server have been dropped down to an level where we can almost enjoy the game...

And BTW we are about 10 Players and nobody of us have been banned or kicked by a flase dectection which brings me to the point where I belive that all this whinny kids here have been cheated and now facing the consequences. Very simple, do not cheat and all will be fine.

>Normally you end up the cumunity ban list if the admin proofs this with logs and if you have been reported by at least twice admins.

This is how it's supposed to be, but there are two issues. 1. "proofs" is unverifiable information, basically it's impossible to prove with logs that somebody cheated without access to the BE side of things. 2. I've seen multiple bans be accepted without multiple reports.

>I am sure there is a minority of false positive but since we use this ban list in combination with the latest anticheat files from BI the cheaters on our server have been dropped down to an level where we can almost enjoy the game.

This is something you can do yourself. The idea of such a banlist isn't bad, but the people that are currently running should not be. There should be at least one person who gets direct access to BE tools, or at least access to the BE side of the logs. Its the only way to ensure integrity. The "staff" also needs to include more people so that they can actually do their work.

> And BTW we are about 10 Players and nobody of us have been banned or kicked by a flase dectection which brings me to the point where I belive that all this whinny kids here have been cheated and now facing the consequences. Very simple, do not cheat and all will be fine.

That is a very immature state of mind, and is extremely stupid as well. The fact that you and your friends aren't receiving false positive bans does not mean that others aren't. Your argument is the exact same in logic that people use when they blame victims for crimes. I know i haven't been cheating, the large group i play with know i haven't been cheating, the viewers that watch our group play know i haven't been cheating, and you know nothing about me. Any assumption you make about me would purely show how little you understand about life.

Edited August 26, 2012 by darklight

[Ferivich 1]

When I tried to join the CA1 server (where the ban originated) it told me "DC During Gun Fight" (not the correct term). The only time I've ever done so was when a server is hacked, and I have time to actually open the menu and disconnect that way - as my alt-f4 doesn't close programs, period.

I'd like too be told EXACTLY why I was banned, and I'd like proof. Without proof it seems like admins are being childish and abusing a power that they have for no quantifiable reason beyond their selfish and childish mindsets. I'm not asking too be unbanned if it's something I actually deserve, I'd like too know what it was I'm accused of so that I don't do so again with other servers, I don't feel like this is by any means a difficult request.

[byteslam (DayZ) 0]

Did you know how many people try to cheat or even do it per day?

It is nearly impossible to run after them and verify all the logs just for only one server. Imagine you run a couple of servers, it will take hours everyday to do what you ask for.

The evil is not the Admin, the Admin only tries to keep the game playable by reasonable amount of time for all of you.

If I get 98 Cheaters out, and 2 non cheaters by mistake the ratio is fine.

Everybody can come to our teamspeak and I will immidiatly look for the GUI and if it is not sure, I will unban them... happend once since 5 weeks now by more then 2500 Cheaters now.

Play fair do not cheat and nothing will happen to you. And if, ask the support of BE to help you... but pushing whinny forum posts will not help you in any case.

Edited September 3, 2012 by byteslam

[OrLoK 16185]

Hello there

When it comes to a community ban there must be proof, always, otherwise the system becomes open to corruption and exploitation.

An unjust ban from a single server, may be a pain, but as we all know there are plenty of others to hop onto.

Is there any reason not to publish community ban proof? If it's supposed to be in the forum mentioned above, how come it isn't being posted?

If I were banned, I'd want to see proof and have it analysed by the wider community. If I've nothing to hide, I should have no issues with it.

Rgds

LoK

Edited September 3, 2012 by orlok

[jwiechers 92]

Is there any reason not to publish community ban proof? If it's supposed to be in the forum mentioned above, how come it isn't being posted?

The same reason BattlEye has for not publishing their data: if you know what is being identified as a cheat and how it is done, you can easily avoid it.

As for the bans:

The procedure outlined here is not quite how it works, although there are a few admins that can write directly to the community banlist (mostly those who co-started the project with me, including someone from BIS who has been providing additional info that is simply not available to most people (and wouldn't be useful if it was, without a lot of understanding about the ARMA2 server*)) *all* of the GUIDs reported via the issue system are *not* immediately added to the banlist. They're added to a currently local (I haven't had the time to recode it to run completely online and I'm currently in hospital so it's a bit complicated) database including IP, reporting source, and the salient logs and automatically assigned reputation scores based on the kind of log evidence as well as the "reputation" of the source. Only if there is clear evidence from *multiple* sources (depending on how reputable those themselves are, which is based on the number of corroborated bans**) are people banned. As for the banning of innocents. I've looked through a number of appeals now (not just those on the issue list, also received via PM here) and I have to say that there *are* a number of people who had their CD Key stolen (i.e., to name an example discussed here on the forums yesterday, a guy from Canada whose GUID was used by a cheater with an IP from the Ukraine). We, very obviously, can't help in that situation, but it is not a flaw of our system.

* We'll change this, too, even though I do trust every one of them fully. The Community Banlist came from an earlier attempt of mine to organize a number of experienced admins into a coeterie to discuss anti-cheating improvements with BE, BIS and the DayZ team.

** I'm aware this is crude, but it's a start for building upon this later

Edited September 3, 2012 by jwiechers

[Cloom 0]

Well is there anything I can do or will I have to buy another copy? It's no big deal because I lost interest in the game anyways, but I would like to play with my friends so it's worth a try.

[terrorizer33 131]

>Normally you end up the cumunity ban list if the admin proofs this with logs and if you have been reported by at least twice admins.

basically it's impossible to prove with logs that somebody cheated without access to the BE side of things.

This is bs... you CAN proof some1 hacks based on evidence from the server logs. Not even too hard tbh..

[Legacy (DayZ) 1091]

Well is there anything I can do or will I have to buy another copy? It's no big deal because I lost interest in the game anyways, but I would like to play with my friends so it's worth a try.

Locked

Necro.

Also try to contact the staff involved?

This is bs... you CAN proof some1 hacks based on evidence from the server logs. Not even too hard tbh..

It isn't hard to forge logs, so in true terms. You actually can't prove someone from logs in theory.