Community banned.

[SneekyPete3 0]

I'm not very technical, so i'll just tell the story that happened.

I was playing on a server on a clan i way applying to (us 1573). We were in a group of 5 or so people, 2 on sniper hill (large hill northeast of Elektro) and me and 1 other across the road to the west while 1 was in cherno. Suddenly the 2 snipers were killed by a hacker, and the server was nuked a few seconds later. I respawn and suicide 2 times to get a close spawn to my body, run back and collect my things (l85 aws, m4a1 cco sd, coyote backpack, spare camo clothing).

I run over to sniper hill after i hear a few gunshots, assuming people are fighting over my buddie's gear. I take out 2 hackers and 2 other randoms and with my buddies permission, take their gear (they had all tools and as50 and such). Then i log off to avoid another nuke.

I go to log into another server and get this message:

You were kicked from the game. (BattlEye Admin ban (w 4d9b2182 0x0f44d938))

A few other servers give me the same message, so i try to log back into the original server and the same thing happens. Later, i speak with the guy who owns the server and i am told that i've been put on the community ban list. I know its not a battleye ban because some dayz servers work, but the ones i am banned from are becoming increasingly common. I'm worried that soon i will be banned from all dayz servers.

I dont hack, i dont break rules, i dont do anything besides play the game the way it was meant to be played. Also i have only combat logged when being attacked by hackers, and thats the only thing i can think of that might have gotten me in trouble.

I'd like evidence of what got me on this ban list and when zero or false evidence turns up i would like to be unbanned.

TLDR

I was banned for absolutely no reason i can think of. It is a community ban, not a battleye ban. I want evidence, and when nobody can prove i did anything wrong i want to be unbanned. This is ridiculous.

Any advice on how i can get this issue resolved would be GREATLY appreciated.

[SmashT 10907]

http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/73844-check-this-banlist-find-your-ban/

This thread should have some more info about it, maybe where you can appeal it.

Edited August 23, 2012 by smasht_AU

[xzite 18]

I'm not flaming at you or anything but I can imagine that alot of people that are being shot at would convince themselves that its a hacker doing the shooting and proceeding to alt+F4 immediatly out of the confrontation. Thus getting rid of the guilt for combat logging. I'm not accusing you of anything, just more pointing out that there are holes in your case that any reader has to choose weather to trust you on or not.

Also when you say, "I take out 2 hackers and 2 other randoms" how are you differentiating between the two? Did they look/act significantly different? Again not having a stab at you i'm just nosey lol

[SneekyPete3 0]

I know when its hackers because they spawn in front of me in a vehicle in the middle of the forest.

i know it was 2 hackers because they were already in ghillie suits. 1 had an as50 thermal and the other had a m4a3 with grenade launcher(i know that one is a legit weapon). I suppose it is possible they simply had just logged in after the nuke and had picked up the hacked gear without hacking it themselves, but i think that is very unlikely.

[{sas}stalker 108]

Alt - F4ing will not get you on the community ban list. Someone who runs a server that you frequent has submitted a log with your GUID on it along with a violation and it has been reviewed and added. you need to read this

[vandrel 36]

TLDR

I was banned for absolutely no reason i can think of. It is a community ban, not a battleye ban. I want evidence, and when nobody can prove i did anything wrong i want to be unbanned. This is ridiculous.

Any advice on how i can get this issue resolved would be GREATLY appreciated.

I warned people that this is going to happen. Server admins in most cases have VERY little knowledge of scripting and how this game actually works. Everyone here is a end-user, meaning you are not a BI employee and you don't understand the inner workings of the game. It's far to common for people to skimm through a console log or server report and think they've just solved the biggest case since OJ Simpson.

http://dayzmod.com/f..._40#entry741517

The creator of the "CBL" as they like to call it, Community Ban List, doesn't seem to understand that he is a end-user like everyone else and as such has no way to prove that someone is submitting false information to him. It's quite easy for ANYONE to spend a few minutes on this forum alone and do a quick copy/paste of information that someone else posted, then swap out the GUID's and, BAM... you've just banned someone cause you were butt hurt about getting killed by them.

This CBL needs a lot more then just some random players manageing it to ensure it doesn't get abused. They can say all they want but at the end of the day they have NO WAY of proving a submitted log is true or false information. Point in case, this thread right here.

My advice, make them prove that the information submitted is infact legitimate. (they can't)

This is no different then going to the DMV with a "picture" of a birth certificate and requesting a driver's license. Can you prove, with just that picture, that the birth certificate is legitimate? No, it could have been photochopped. Ever wonder why most establishments won't accept emailed scanned/images of documents and tell you to send in a Fax or mail in the original? Cause things can be falsified, just like this here.

Edited August 23, 2012 by Vandrel

[darklight12345 4]

Dont even try appealing the ban on the community thing, they just dont seem to care about appeals. mines been up there almost a week now and i can't play shit all because they cant get off their lazy asses to look over the information. Considering i only ever play with a streamer, i can even possibly provide video proof, but nooooo. More bans get added, but no appeals get looked at.

[SneekyPete3 0]

So then im just f*cked? what am i supposed to do? il make phonecalls, i'll do whatever it takes except pay another 30 bucks.

I bought arma2 to play dayz, i haven't even loaded arma2 by itself yet. Its unbelievable that some random ass players are in charge of my ban appeal. This should be something the dev team or battleye should be in charge of.

this community ban list needs actual dayz staff operating it, not some F*cking randoms.

Edited August 23, 2012 by SneekyPete3

[SneekyPete3 0]

I warned people that this is going to happen. Server admins in most cases have VERY little knowledge of scripting and how this game actually works. Everyone here is a end-user, meaning you are not a BI employee and you don't understand the inner workings of the game. It's far to common for people to skimm through a console log or server report and think they've just solved the biggest case since OJ Simpson.

http://dayzmod.com/f..._40#entry741517

The creator of the "CBL" as they like to call it, Community Ban List, doesn't seem to understand that he is a end-user like everyone else and as such has no way to prove that someone is submitting false information to him. It's quite easy for ANYONE to spend a few minutes on this forum alone and do a quick copy/paste of information that someone else posted, then swap out the GUID's and, BAM... you've just banned someone cause you were butt hurt about getting killed by them.

This CBL needs a lot more then just some random players manageing it to ensure it doesn't get abused. They can say all they want but at the end of the day they have NO WAY of proving a submitted log is true or false information. Point in case, this thread right here.

My advice, make them prove that the information submitted is infact legitimate. (they can't)

This is no different then going to the DMV with a "picture" of a birth certificate and requesting a driver's license. Can you prove, with just that picture, that the birth certificate is legitimate? No, it could have been photochopped. Ever wonder why most establishments won't accept emailed scanned/images of documents and tell you to send in a Fax or mail in the original? Cause things can be falsified, just like this here.

I (and many future victims im sure) really appreciate your efforts here. hopefully this stupid ass system will get revamped to be more fair. as of right now im just posting in that topic and appealing my ban on the community list crap, but it seems i will be playing on outdated servers for quite awhile, if not forever. I have very little faith in the staff of this list removing my guid.

[vandrel 36]

I (and many future victims im sure) really appreciate your efforts here. hopefully this stupid ass system will get revamped to be more fair. as of right now im just posting in that topic and appealing my ban on the community list crap, but it seems i will be playing on outdated servers for quite awhile, if not forever. I have very little faith in the staff of this list removing my guid.

The only reliable method would have to be run by DayZ staff and on a database monitoring level, not end-user (customer) driven input.

[darklight12345 4]

http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/73844-community-banlist/

raise hell in that topic, only way your gonna have a chance at even getting unbanned at this rate.

[SaintMerc 73]

It has been said before but i will make it simple.

If you want to appeal a community Ban it is pointless just posting. I was banned (BattlEye: Banned ( W4d9b2182 0x0f44d938)

You need to post your GUID as well. Example. GUID 8f2a4a6eba50195a51561d89fc0cf350 BattlEye: Banned W4d9b2182 0x0f44d938

To get your GUID as posted before goto http://forums.bistud...to-find-my-guid

Only then can someone look into a ban that has been placed and the reason they were banned.

Providing they have not been global banned.

Edited August 25, 2012 by UXFaz

[darklight12345 4]

UXFaz, shut the hell up. That doesn't work, everyone knows it doesn't work. Until someone with the CBL actually begins to look at the appeals, everything you spout about it is lies.

[(OCN)Vortech 65]

UXFaz, shut the hell up. That doesn't work, everyone knows it doesn't work. Until someone with the CBL actually begins to look at the appeals, everything you spout about it is lies.

No need to be rude, CBL backlog was cleared a bit ago. I look forward to hearing from the OP on the outcome and seeing a copy of the logs.

[jwiechers 92]

Could you PM me your GUID?

A lot of the 0x0f44d938 bans are legacy bans or were added for abusive behavior. We haven't outright removed those, because there are a few cases we felt were justified, but most of the cases we did review on request, we've removed.

The creator of the "CBL" as they like to call it, Community Ban List, doesn't seem to understand that he is a end-user like everyone else and as such has no way to prove that someone is submitting false information to him. It's quite easy for ANYONE to spend a few minutes on this forum alone and do a quick copy/paste of information that someone else posted, then swap out the GUID's and, BAM... you've just banned someone cause you were butt hurt about getting killed by them.

I understand that perfectly -- and I never knew I (or anyone else who was involved in one capacity or another) called it CBL. As already pointed out in the other thread, you're making the faulty assumption that we just ban because some random script log mentions a certain GUID. That isn't the case.

This CBL needs a lot more then just some random players manageing it to ensure it doesn't get abused. They can say all they want but at the end of the day they have NO WAY of proving a submitted log is true or false information. Point in case, this thread right here.

While I am, for the reasons mentioned above, inclined to think this is likely a ban we'll remove, this thread isn't a case in point. Any hacker could just as well open up a similar thread and claim the same things and we would have no way of verifying them, either.

Edited August 27, 2012 by jwiechers

[vandrel 36]

While I am, for the reasons mentioned above, inclined to think this is likely a ban we'll remove, this thread isn't a case in point. Any hacker could just as well open up a similar thread and claim the same things and we would have no way of verifying them, either.

The same goes both ways there. If this is not being done in conjunction with the HIVE then it's all based on he said/she said with text doc logs that may/may not be altered..... you don't know. I'm happy that in your other post you said there's a tier strike system in place but the ball is in your court on how well that really works out. A lot of power sitting in the hands of other players who could potentially cause griefing to others.

Again, I'm not effected by this but if I were in the shoes of someone who was due to some group of kids who got upset and decided to collaberate to get my GUID added to the list, I'd be upset too.

I don't know you or your affiliation with DayZ or how your forum groups work but this should be on the HIVE level only, not something that's open to Little basement deweller Billy Bob who rages everytime he dies in DayZ on his own server.

[jwiechers 92]

The hive is a database that simply receives and sends out data on the inventory and status of people so their state is carried over between servers.

The hive cannot be used to detect cheating in any meaningful way that would go beyond simply banning on the basis of fallible logs of inventory or position changes.

Edited August 27, 2012 by jwiechers

[vandrel 36]

The hive is a database that simply receives and sends out data on the inventory and status of people so their state is carried over between servers.

The hive cannot be used to detect cheating in any meaningful way that would go beyond simply banning on the basis of fallible logs of inventory or position changes.

HIVE, right, and what do most script kids do?

1) setPos

2) addWeapon / addMagazine

3) Set skins and model classes

That'd knock out the majority of them right there.

So in your mind it's better to just have a system that relies on logs that cannot be proved to be true or false from server admins that you cannot verify if they are indeed admins, then to have this cross checked with the HIVE data?

Sure, you wouldn't be able to reference, say, someone who performs a setPos for everyone on a server for either falling death or just setDamage but otherwise most cheaters like to teleport around and kill people or change their inventory out frequently. This in my book is a pretty solid set of evidence more over some text log that Joe Shmoe could have sent in on a whim.

Very rarely will you find a scripter who plans to spawn in at Kamenka and walk to Cherno before hacking the server.

Edited August 27, 2012 by Vandrel

[(OCN)Vortech 65]

The same goes both ways there. If this is not being done in conjunction with the HIVE then it's all based on he said/she said with text doc logs that may/may not be altered..... you don't know. I'm happy that in your other post you said there's a tier strike system in place but the ball is in your court on how well that really works out. A lot of power sitting in the hands of other players who could potentially cause griefing to others.

Again, I'm not effected by this but if I were in the shoes of someone who was due to some group of kids who got upset and decided to collaberate to get my GUID added to the list, I'd be upset too.

I don't know you or your affiliation with DayZ or how your forum groups work but this should be on the HIVE level only, not something that's open to Little basement deweller Billy Bob who rages everytime he dies in DayZ on his own server.

http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/73844-community-banlist/page__st__60#entry774589 Just wanna place this here, I'm not interested in commenting on your redundant comments here. Just wanna make sure people see through them.

[vandrel 36]

Just wanna make sure people see through them.

See through what exactly? The fact that no one in CBL can prove if submitted logs are valid? That a GUID wasn't replaced just to get someone banned? Christ you are thick.