US 1857 Admin bans for guns we had

[wurocket 3]

My name ingame is "Preme"

I joined this server, killed someone near Elektro within 10 minutes of joining who had an AS-50 TWS and G36C Silenced. Obviously, I took both and my friend and I "robo noob" headed to Cherno.

I was then sniped and my friend Robo took shelter nearby, we were then promptly banned.

The server owners name is "extrude" and he was the one who banned us, we found out about his server from the Blockland Forums and he then posted this:

First of all, neither of us had an M14 AIM, Robonoob had a M4 Silenced and thats it. He then posts this soon after (PS: I dont think M14 AIM silenced even exists in Arma 2 OA?)

He says that he banned us for having "hacked weapons" I was not aware these were hacked weapons but I had heard that rocket said it was OK to have weapons from hackers as long as you didnt spawn them in yourselves.

This last post also shows how little knowledge extrude has about DayZ, saying how Admins just spawn us in guns.

[Legacy (DayZ) 1091]

Approved due to the following:

11. As a server admin you must not:

You are not permitted to ban players for killing yourself or clan members.

You are not permitted to shutdown your server when your killed.

You are not permitted to shutdown your server when you lose a vehicle.

You are not permitted to kick or ban for smacktalk.

You are not permitted to ban for suspected cheats or exploits of a non-server-disruptive nature, including but not limited to ghosting, unverified cheating, duping and similar, UNLESS you have solid evidence, IE logs.

[bombe 17]

I joined this server, killed someone near Elektro within 10 minutes of joining who had an AS-50 TWS and G36C Silenced

This gun is not in the Dayz mod

The flowing guns are in :

• AK-74
  
• 
  

• AKM
  

• AKS-74U
  

• AKS-74 Kobra
  

• FN FAL
  

• FN FAL AN/PVS-4
  

• L85A2 AWS
  

• Lee Enfield
  

• M4A1
  

• M4A1 CCO
  

• M4A1 CCO SD
  

• M4A1 Holo
  

• M4A3 CCO
  

• M16A2
  

• M16A2 M203
  

• M16A4 ACOG
  

But the G36C not here. I understand ban for this ...

Edited August 7, 2012 by bombe

[chevo 2]

This gun is not in the Dayz mod

The flowing guns are in :

• AK-74
  
• 
  

• AKM
  

• AKS-74U
  

• AKS-74 Kobra
  

• FN FAL
  

• FN FAL AN/PVS-4
  

• L85A2 AWS
  

• Lee Enfield
  

• M4A1
  

• M4A1 CCO
  

• M4A1 CCO SD
  

• M4A1 Holo
  

• M4A3 CCO
  

• M16A2
  

• M16A2 M203
  

• M16A4 ACOG
  

But the G36C not here. I understand ban for this ...

You didnt read correctly. He got banned cause someone else had spawned in the illegal weapons. He didnt do it himself, he just had killed a guy who owned these and

he looted them from that guy. And as he said and what I've heard is that it's ok to use them so long as you didnt hack them in yourself.I've seen those G36C aswel but I burried them with the body.

Edited August 7, 2012 by chevo

[Pure (DayZ) 7]

I got a g36 silencer off a corpse to the guy that never even had a backpack, so yes they hackers are making these weapons. Just because someone loots it off a corpse you can't ban them for it. I wouldn't even had picked it up if I didn't know it was not a dayz weapon but if I drop it I won't have a weapon so i will keep it and use it till I find another weapon, its not like anyone of us that don't hack can even get ammo for it in the first place, I got 4 clips till it runs out. Rocket even said if you loot it you can use it without a problem.

Edited August 7, 2012 by Pure

[orwisch@web.de 13]

[ironic]jepp its ok to use hacked weapons. no problem. and i really really found it in a dead buddy, i promise on the name of jesus!!!

i dont have any exceptional advanteges with this weapons except of i can see at night and through trees and bushes with a weapon wich is made for day.

but its ok. i dont have any advanteges.[/ironic]

Don't get me wrong but this is cheating aswell! and the dev team support it! :blush:

[Sonova 5]

[ironic]jepp its ok to use hacked weapons. no problem. and i really really found it in a dead buddy, i promise on the name of jesus!!!

i dont have any exceptional advanteges with this weapons except of i can see at night and through trees and bushes with a weapon wich is made for day.

but its ok. i dont have any advanteges.[/ironic]

Don't get me wrong but this is cheating aswell! and the dev team support it! :blush:

They don't support the usage of "hacked weapons" they just don't want to punish an unsuspecting player for picking up a weapon that they are not aware is hacked. Players who pick up said weapons get red-flagged and investigated instead of out-right banned.

[schmotto 32]

Bullshit rocket said its ok to use hacked weapons.

He would have said you won't get a global ban for hacked weapons but if server owners don't ban the use of them then cheating will run even more rampant than it does.

This ban should stand for this server and the banned player will learn a lesson not to us banned weapons in the future and still be able to play on the thousands of other servers out there.

Don't quote "what rocket said" if your gonna use it for bullshit and out of context.

[kliffen 0]

Bullshit rocket said its ok to use hacked weapons.

He would have said you won't get a global ban for hacked weapons but if server owners don't ban the use of them then cheating will run even more rampant than it does.

This ban should stand for this server and the banned player will learn a lesson not to us banned weapons in the future and still be able to play on the thousands of other servers out there.

Don't quote "what rocket said" if your gonna use it for bullshit and out of context.

Not everyone knows which weapons are in this mod and which aren't. I think you're failing to understand that

[JESUSARIUS REX (DayZ) 163]

If you pay for a server, you shouldn't have to risk a server you pay for getting attacked by hackers. If i owned a server, i would ban anyone with a hacked weapon, whether they spawned it or not. Its their fault for picking it up.

[Bubba Jones 30]

There was a post by Rocket back in May that stated that if they did a random database sweep and found that you had a hacked weapon that your character data would be corrupted which means you'd just need to start over. There was no ban mentioned.

As for hacked weapons, it's never wise to even pick them up. A lot of server admins will ban you from their server (even though it's again the hosting rules) if they find you with one. When I find them in tents, which I have on several occasions, I don't even pick them up out of the tent. I just leave them there because I don't want any logs to show that I had one in my possession.

[osirish 165]

I would have no issue if a server script checked for illegal weapons and auto-kicked them for it, not banned, kicked.

The problem with the rule against picking up hacked weapons, is that there is nothing to stop one person in a group spawning them in, and then everyone else picking them up.

Also, asking for evidence from the logs can be more difficult for admins to detect as a lot of the cheats bypass the logs.

What would the Dev's stance be on servers that kicked for illegal weapons?

[oyci3c 2]

Srsly this is bu****it.

I can't ban a person from my server for which I'm paying because he moved zounds of TWS to a tent from other server where he is hacking/duping them?

And you "wurocket" are registered since the beginning of July yet you don't know that TWS is not in the game? I'm playing two weeks now and I'm aware of everything I should know.

Such posts by devs are sick and it's a pure madness, I've been administrating many games and this is one of the biggest mistakes I've ever seen.

It's up to a player to know, by the rules and other statements, what can he use and what is official.

There is no argument for me as admin - oh man, sorry, I didn't know that those 10 tents I've placed with all those weapons are not legal, please dont kick me.

Sick.

[Delta Smoke 01 765]

An easy solution to people thinking your a hacker, would be to do the honest thing and hide the body to destroy it. I found a town on fire earlier so went to investigate. Found 4 crashed real choppers and a few bodys.

One of which containd an SVD Thermal and a g36 sd. Another had m4 cco sd. I took the m4 and the gear such as 2x NVG, 2X rangefinder and 2x GPS and hid the rest to stop hacked gun circulation.

[munsterthunder@gmail.com 17]

It doesn't fucking matter "Oh hacked weapons blahblahblah it's bad." It's still not a legitimate reason to ban. It doesn't matter what you guys fucking think about it. It's against the rules to ban unless it's full on spawning in stuff. If you have a hacked weapon you cannot be banned period. I hate how you guys are saying "You should be banned for using a hacked weapon." Theres no rule against it, so don't go around telling people what's right and wrong. This ban is not a right ban either way.

Also this:

You are not permitted to ban for suspected cheats or exploits of a non-server-disruptive nature, including but not limited to ghosting, unverified cheating, duping and similar, UNLESS you have solid evidence, IE logs.

Using hacked weapons falls into this category. Sorry guys, but banning for this is against the Server Host rules, whether you like people using hacked weapons or not.

Edited August 7, 2012 by Phayzon

[oyci3c 2]

And you are Admin of US 828? Admin? Kk

yes, this is board and I have some rights to post my opinions - maybe someone will listen and change this laughable rule

Edited August 7, 2012 by AnusDriller

[orwisch@web.de 13]

It doesn't fucking matter "Oh hacked weapons blahblahblah it's bad." It's still not a legitimate reason to ban. It doesn't matter what you guys fucking think about it. It's against the rules to ban unless it's full on spawning in stuff. If you have a hacked weapon you cannot be banned period. I hate how you guys are saying "You should be banned for using a hacked weapon." Theres no rule against it, so don't go around telling people what's right and wrong. This ban is not a right ban either way.

Also this:

You are not permitted to ban for suspected cheats or exploits of a non-server-disruptive nature, including but not limited to ghosting, unverified cheating, duping and similar, UNLESS you have solid evidence, IE logs.

Using hacked weapons falls into this category. Sorry guys, but banning for this is against the Server Host rules, whether you like people using hacked weapons or not.

driving to fast is also against the rules (in real life) posted by your developer of your streets and i bet u break this rule often!!!! ;)

Edited August 7, 2012 by BlackBeret

[JESUSARIUS REX (DayZ) 163]

I SERIOUSLY GET FUCKING PISSED ABOUT SOME OF THESE RULES FOR SERVERS. I love rocket and all he does, but seriously. If it wasn't for server owners spending THEIR money, his mod wouldn't be where it is today.

Should player be kicked for no reason, simply because the admin wants to?

No

Should player be banned for altf4/ghosting?

Yes, if you have solid proof of who it was.

Should a player be banned if found with hacked weapons?

Yes, would you rather risk a scripter kill everyone on your server, or ban a innocent person who has 3000 other servers to play on.

Thats just my opinion...

Edited August 7, 2012 by JESUSARIUS REX

[munsterthunder@gmail.com 17]

And you are Admin of US 828? Admin? Kk

yes, this is board and I have some rights to post my opinions - maybe someone will listen and change this laughable rule

Yes I am actually lol.

driving to fast is also against the rules (in real life) posted

by your developer of your streets and i bet u break this rule often!!!! ;)

Worst comparison ever lol

I SERIOUSLY GET FUCKING PISSED ABOUT SOME OF THESE RULES FOR SERVERS. I love rocket and all he does, but seriously. If it wasn't for server owners spending THEIR money, his mod wouldn't be where it is today.

Should player be kicked for no reason, simply because the admin wants to?

No

Should player be banned for altf4/ghosting?

Yes, if you have solid proof of who it was.

Should a player be banned if found with hacked weapons?

Yes, would you rather risk a scripter kill everyone on your server, or ban a innocent person who has 3000 other servers to play on.

Thats just my opinion...

I know what you feel, but that's just the way it is still Rocket improves the Server Host rules. Until then this kind of stuff cannot be challenged. It's not their fault if using hacked weapons isnt against the rules, I'm 100% sure they wouldn't be using them if they were against the rules. (I know these guys)

[JESUSARIUS REX (DayZ) 163]

I know what you feel, but that's just the way it is still Rocket improves the Server Host rules. Until then this kind of stuff cannot be challenged. It's not their fault if using hacked weapons isnt against the rules, I'm 100% sure they wouldn't be using them if they were against the rules. (I know these guys)

Really, all these hackers are whats screwing up the game :(. Getting innocent people in trouble. Ruining peoples day. Seriously, battleye needs to do something lol.

[Zoop 343]

As a server owner, I agree with the rule that you shouldn't be banned for using a hacked weapon. Many people are not aware which weapons are hacked and which are legit. If I catch someone spawning weapons, I'll ban him, but I'm not going to ban him for using a hacked weapon, because he might not even know the weapon is hacked.

[BobJoeXXI 28]

If a person gets into a harsh firefight with a person who is using a hacked in weapon and kills them, then they have the right to the spoils of war. It is up to them if they want to circulate that hacked weapon or not. An admin shouldn't ban people for using weapons. Admins should only be banning for racism, malicious talk, and hacking (along with solid, concrete evidence.)

[Gogster (DayZ) 626]

If a person gets into a harsh firefight with a person who is using a hacked in weapon and kills them, then they have the right to the spoils of war. It is up to them if they want to circulate that hacked weapon or not. An admin shouldn't ban people for using weapons. Admins should only be banning for racism, malicious talk, and hacking (along with solid, concrete evidence.)

Should, shouldn't....

People are scripting in helo's and planes, all's fair in love and war eh...

[NocturnalS1n 37]

If a person gets into a harsh firefight with a person who is using a hacked in weapon and kills them, then they have the right to the spoils of war. It is up to them if they want to circulate that hacked weapon or not. An admin shouldn't ban people for using weapons. Admins should only be banning for racism, malicious talk, and hacking (along with solid, concrete evidence.)

Look at it like this.

Why are those weapons HACKED in? Why are they not in the Day Z in the first place? Why did Rocket not include them? Why would it be any different from a normal player using a hacked in weapon, compared to a hacker using the hacked in weapon? Sure the hacker did the dirty deed of bringing it into the game, but why is it okay to continue that deed, just because you killed that guy? Weren't the weapons hacked in for a reason? What if a hacker spawned the gun in for his non-hacking friend to use? What makes that much different than the "spoil of war"?

Don't be arrogant about it. They may not be hacking themselves but knowingly using hacked in weapons is just as low as the hacker themselves. I'll give that some people won't know, and that there is exactly why Rocket doesn't want people banned for it. I mean, whose to say you didn't kill a hacker, pick it up off them and kill other hackers with it?

However in a constant uphill battle against hackers, people spamming in AS50 TWS, its hard not to take some form of action. I mean look at the TWS. Its basically OP compared to every other weapon available in Day Z, what makes the guy who constantly uses it in the same manner the hacker planned, much better? This weapon has to be the most common and sought after hacked in choice.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want people getting banned left and right for using hacked weapons. Just trying to throw an view point in there, show how admins and other legit players might feel. because I mean...why should another player get to tote around a hacked weapon, just because they killed the hacker?

[Zoop 343]

If he is made aware of the fact that he is carrying a hacked weapon and he doesn't chuck it, then he's as bad as the hacker, otherwise I won't issue a ban because I can't simply assume he knows the weapon he is carrying is hacked.