Remove the 50.? Why not kill the sniper, instead of getting killed.

[Gh0st93 5]

"REMOVE THE 50.?" IS A RESPOND to the ANIT 50. Threads... just to make things clear.

Ok so i read about people whinning about removing the 50.'s Anti material sniper rifles! and here is some facts that not everyone know about those "Campers" in DayZ.

Lets say you enter Cherno at midnight, or elektro. You get killed and the only thing you hear is a loud gun shot, you asume it is a sniper and aslong those 50.'s are long wanted and really popularly in games, THEY get the blame. but its pitch dark in DayZ when there is midnight and for the 50. to work it would have to have an

scope that reflect heat. witch in this case is even more rare as the normal AS50. because As50 dosent work with NVG's. There is only 1 sniper that works with NVG's and thats the DMR. witch isnt a 50. and idd the 50. is rarely in use, but most of the sniper team have 1, incase they need it. and if you think that 1 military base have 1 sniper each, your misstaken.

and here is what i want you to understand: A sniper in DayZ he is probably a camper, but really. can you really call him a camper? he is trying to survive, he has found his way to survive, but if he is at a roof top, he probably have to go down to get food (when he runs out) or refill water Witch is more often! witch means that he HAVE to go down to get to resuply. If you think logically, you should know where a sniper is hidden! me my self play as a sniper and i love the aspect of the game! but when i have to get supplies? god please save me.! YOU have to risk everything including that 50. to survive! and as i play a sniper and have done in all fps's i've played here is 1 tactic i allways go with when i shall counter one...

Locate him, thats rule nr.1: how to do so you may ask "he shoot me already" yes of course he did, you didnt take care of your self and put your self in danger. constantly use binoculars (You should ALLWAYS have one) in this case (city) watch roof tops! allways popular for those campers. watch every floor of an building especially Cherno as its an industrial area. pipes, everything that can give them high sight over the town / area they are "camping". when you have located him then

DONT Move towards him, thats rule nr2. If you have located the sniper (witch you should do before entering the city: Try go around! be aware you can face other people with guns (but atlest thats not the camper right?) so if you see his head, he is already guarding the area you are standing! witch means if you try to crawl right in where you located him your risk to get shot is increasingly high as he may already have you scoped in already! so here is rule nr 3

FLANKING: Try to walk around as i said above, but if he havent seen you, dont lose him, allways try to Control where he is facing and move carefully, if you start running he might aswell see heavy movement and will face directly at you. and one moment and then BAM, your dead that wasnt the snipers fault, that was YOUR fault because you where stupid enough to dont care. but aswell attracting zombies is never a good idea, is it? i've heard they LOVE brains!

and about the Camping, Rule nr 4! Every sniper as i said above need to go down to get supplies! so whats rule nr4? CAMP BACK, allways watch the snipers Escape area (bring food and enough drink to actually be waiting patiently for him to have to go down) this way you can easly face his stupidness and kill him! he just died because you where smarter then him!

What is a common misstake of an sniper ingame? They CAMP to kill people, thats one huge misstake, why you might say, he gets kills! Ofc he gets kills, because people are narrowminded and they think about 2 things, watching the zombies, and getting away... and if you focus on those 2 things and you suddenly hear gunshots you cant be able to locate them! and this game is So realistic in the way that you actually have to use your brain to survive, think strategic!

here is an example of me being able to locate the sniper by just thinking!. I was in the firestation in cherno, Scavenging for supplies as everyone needs that! I aswell! and i was sneaking out! stupidly i choose the maingate (towards the industry area) perfect for a sniper to try get rid of me! and what happens? 3 shots! BAM, BAM, BAM. he misses all 3 times, what did he do wrong? he shot more then once. if he had shot once, i wouldnt be able to locate him. but 3 bullets and a miss? damn.. i found out after couple of seconds that this sniper where facing me in the buildning across the street abit ahead of me witch had 3 stairs (i am not sure how to say it better) and I ran away and sneak into the building and there he was STUPIDLY facing out to the city (because they dont think people actually flank them, they think they are safe) so I sneak up to him and gave him 1 pistol bullet to the head.

and then your question might be. what to do when its pitch black and midnight? I have just 1 answer. DONT go into the town.

I am a sniper, but i hunt snipers and bandits, not survivers! but if they are comming too close, i shoot them too!

Be friendly to one and eachother! DONT shoot eachother for eachother loots, try to gather up and kill the zombies. they are the actual threat here! :)

Edited August 4, 2012 by Gh0st93

[ThatGuyCalledReptile 314]

There is no such thing as a bandit who kills at the coast.

They are murdering cuntwaffles who don't deserve to call themselves bandits.

I hope you kill as many of them as you want.

[Gh0st93 5]

who said i only am at the coast? lol.

[--_Archangel_-- 18]

This deserved it's own thread.

[outlawxxable 10]

I find all snipers unfair... And think they should be removed

[Tracker (DayZ) 7]

I'd prefer if you could only shoot them prone to be able to hit anywhere near your target. That way once your prone=god of death, moving=weaker than a mouse.

And take up like 15 slots in a bag, because the if you've ever held one, you will understand why. It weights almost twice of what a battle rifle does, and its about 30% longer.

Why the literal fuck can you shove it in your bag and carry the thing around like its a bloody smg.

[Swineflew 480]

There is no such thing as a bandit who kills at the coast.

They are murdering cuntwaffles who don't deserve to call themselves bandits.

I hope you kill as many of them as you want.

Less mad please.

This deserved it's own thread.

Why not, there are 10000 anti AS50 threads.

I find all snipers unfair... And think they should be removed

I think you're unfair and should be removed.

[Gh0st93 5]

you can carry it around like its a SMG, but you cant shoot it like it is one ;)

[Hinaru 96]

It didn't even read your thread, I just read the title of the topic.

And fuck off, snipers gonna hate you soooooooo much, .. And I am one.

Why should we remove any guns? WHY? Don't suggest shit like this. I don't want to be any gun removed unless I cot my Hello Kitty CAR! >.<

[Gh0st93 5]

Less mad please.

Why not, there are 10000 anti AS50 threads.

I think you're unfair and should be removed.

This is not mainly a Anti AS50 thread, this is how to kill a sniper thread, witch can be really usefull for "narrowminded" people :) and its nothing wrong with narrowminded people, but they tend to blame the wrong things!

[Gh0st93 5]

It didn't even read your thread, I just read the title of the topic.

And fuck off, snipers gonna hate you soooooooo much, .. And I am one.

Why should we remove any guns? WHY? Don't suggest shit like this. I don't want to be any gun removed unless I cot my Hello Kitty CAR! >.<

Please read the thread. and then come back and comment, your Comment where so random and off topic that it dosent even count as a answer. sorry.

Edited August 4, 2012 by Gh0st93

[Gh0st93 5]

I'd prefer if you could only shoot them prone to be able to hit anywhere near your target. That way once your prone=god of death, moving=weaker than a mouse.

And take up like 15 slots in a bag, because the if you've ever held one, you will understand why. It weights almost twice of what a battle rifle does, and its about 30% longer.

Why the literal fuck can you shove it in your bag and carry the thing around like its a bloody smg.

and just to answer your question, thats already in the game! A moving sniper is weak as a mouse! because he cant draw the gun as quickly as a cowboy in texas! :P unless he uses his gun :) a sniper cant run and shoot! so this is already something witch is there!^^

[Oscarias 54]

This is a SIM, and how sniper rifles are being used are very un-SIM like to the determent of the game. You can not control how weapons are used in game, therefor they should be removed for the good of the game. It's really that simple. It's for the same reason helicopters will not be fitted with rockets and missiles or why you won't see A-10s bombing the hell out of cities (at least you shouldn't lol).

[albinorhino 174]

There is no such thing as a bandit who kills at the coast.

They are murdering cuntwaffles who don't deserve to call themselves bandits.

I hope you kill as many of them as you want.

You sir get my beans for using "cuntwaffles" in a sentence.

[sausagekingofchicago 4711]

Snipers will become less of a problem when the popular duping methods get squashed. We'll still have other problems but I sense a change coming.

[thehumandove 344]

Snipers gonna snipe. Haters gonna hate and also die.

[hatfieldcw 184]

If and when the game's security prevents duping of high-end gear, it will become far more difficult to obtain a big bad rifle like that. Once the Alt+F4 get out of jail free card gets countered somehow, it'll be much harder to keep high-end equipment. Once that happens, the game will be improved. The drips who camp Cherno and Elektro will either go away or have to do their thing with a CZ 550 that took them an hour to find in a barn instead of an AS50 they pulled out of their bottomless trunk. They'll have more work to do to get gear, and they'll have a motive to avoid dangerous, unprofitable uses for it.

And yes, I'm in favor of ditching all anti-materiel rifles, they are overpowered for PvP. Sniping's fine, I'm all for it, but the M24, SVD, CZ550 and DMR are all ample for the purpose. I'd support a non-camo SVD and the M40 camo being added in in place of the .50s.

[necroslord 73]

Let's get nukes and armored tanks into the game, they are real and surely to be found on Russian territory. I also want a mingun and bomber aircrafts in the airfield.

[Tracker (DayZ) 7]

and just to answer your question, thats already in the game! A moving sniper is weak as a mouse! because he cant draw the gun as quickly as a cowboy in texas! :P unless he uses his gun :) a sniper cant run and shoot! so this is already something witch is there!^^

Thats not what I mean't

What I meant is you should not be able to fire .50 from anything other than prone, trying otherwise should result in a drunken like swinging of corsshairs/scope all over the screen.

[Gh0st93 5]

Thats not what I mean't

What I meant is you should not be able to fire .50 from anything other than prone, trying otherwise should result in a drunken like swinging of corsshairs/scope all over the screen.

thats true! but a sniper shouldnt be anything but proned! thats why it is so easy to sneak around snipers on roof tops! :) get my point?

[sausagekingofchicago 4711]

Let's get nukes and armored tanks into the game, they are real and surely to be found on Russian territory. I also want a mingun and bomber aircrafts in the airfield.

Abandoned silos would be a pretty sweet addition to the game.

http://www.truthdig.com/images/diguploads/silo_804.jpg

http://media.englishrussia.com/missile_silo/1_016.jpg

http://www.killerjeanne.com/soviet_air_2.JPG

http://geoffsenglish.pl/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/atlas-silo.jpg

[Virfortis 111]

I love how the pro-sniper camps are completely illegible, yet the anti-sniper posts make logical sense. It's clear to me that anyone that has come out in support of the "kill the sniper" approach (laughable, given that DayZ is practically one giant open field and taking too long leads to their Alt-F4ing) cannot even make a decent sentence.

Snipers ruin gameplay. This has been proven time and time again in every multi-gun FPS. It always, at the end of the day, boils down to which team has the better sniper. Why? Because in a video game, everyone has near perfect aim. The hardest part of sniping, the aiming and factoring of distance/personal safety, is negated by mouse actions. There is, likewise, no counter to a gun that has all positives, and the AS50/M101 has no negatives when used by actual snipers. The only downside these guns had was that they draw more zombies, and there are no zombies where they snipe, so it's thereby negated.

Of course, to try and sneak around these snipers takes too long by any standard. If I have to spend an hour sneaking around a treeline and HOPE he isn't some hacker, I'm wasting my time. Furthermore, at the smallest hint that they might be compromised, they DC. Let's not also forget that it's a one shot kill, and getting the drop on someone 100% invisible unless up close is well nigh impossible. So go into the treeline and walk around all you want, it's not ACTUALLY going to help when they have so many other advantages.

I'm probably going to hear a lot of butthurt from crying rebuttals about how one person out of the tens of thousands don't DC under fire, but these snipers aren't here to enjoy DayZ, just play an FPS, and if DCing is what it takes to keep the murder count, you bet they can and will. These exploiters (for indeed, being able to shoot willy nilly and zombie free is really exploiting the mechanics when a zombie would run across town to find the shooter in any reasonable game) do nothing but damage the game, and their presence is intolerable to any self-respecting gamer.

Edited August 4, 2012 by Virfortis

[stripesreaper 7]

There are no bandits; everyone pretty much kills each other, except for the dumb ones.

[random51 172]

I feel sorry for anybody who doesn't understand that sniper rifles that 1-hit anywhere on the body are bad for gameplay. The AS50 is point and click, might as well be playing minesweeper for all the skill it doesn't take.

Headshot me with an SVD, DMR, M14, etc. and I'll be impressed. Zero in an AS50 and then kill with a hit anywhere takes almost no skill whatsoever.

[Virfortis 111]

I feel sorry for anybody who doesn't understand that sniper rifles that 1-hit anywhere on the body are bad for gameplay. The AS50 is point and click, might as well be playing minesweeper for all the skill it doesn't take.

Headshot me with an SVD, DMR, M14, etc. and I'll be impressed. Zero in an AS50 and then kill with a hit anywhere takes almost no skill whatsoever.

As someone that regularly uses the AS50 when grouped, I can bear witness to its simplicity. The zeroing practically does all the work for you, and distance is just a matter of a couple hours in the armory.