Hackers - What you need to know.

[DarkRaven123 602]

As we have seen, there is rampant "hacking" in -game at the moment.

Also as we've seen, everyone is a spastic and rants and raves over how rocket should fix the hacking.

I'm just making this so people can get some sort of knowledge about the situation, and generally because i'm sick of every second thread being some douche whining about how BI or DayZ team should fix it.

Background.

Since Arma was developed, it has primarily been made as a Military Simulator. To this end BI has ALWAYS had a "Trusted client" model.

Basically, players can execute any scripts they want, and freely.

The game was designed to be played on such a large scale, and with the Military in mind, they made this decision.

Why? So you could create your own scenarios with a click of a mouse. No need for modding or anything like that, you type up a quick script in Notepad++ and then you spawn everyone with a tank, or in helicopters, or whatever.

In short, Arma 2 was never made to be a MMOFPS w/ zombies.

Ever.

Because of the trusting relationship the engine has with the client, this clearly leads to people abusing it.

It has always been like this, since the first Arma engine.

And it won't change, BI cater first and foremost to their Military contractors and the HARDCORE MilSim fans.

So in the end, if you played Arma 2 at all, you'd know that most servers were passworded and you organised playing with friends or skrims on the web. Because anyone can just walk in and execute a script that say, spawn a nuke.

This is where the Arma 2 engine "fails" in terms of DayZ. (Not to mention being buggy .)

Then comes Battleye.

But first.

For UBCSRavin!

More on the Arma Engine/Hive/"Untrusted"

In every other game I have come across, the client is automatically UNtrusted. Basically, you're a criminal waiting to happen in the eyes of whatever engine you are on.

This restricts just about everything you can do, to an extent.

If we take Battlefield 3 for example, there is no way in hell, without the use of a mod, or other more nefarious means, can you spawn anything that the server doesn't already have on it.

Or even any Valve game.

Each game comes installed with anti-piracy/anti-tamper measures. In Valve's case, its steam and VAC. Though some steam games also use punkbuster.

Because you're already untrusted, any time ANYTHING that doesn't match the server-side "rules" you are instantly banned or kicked, not to mention that the Server Admin on most other games have complete control of their servers.

There is good reasoning behind DayZ teams decision to tighten up the rules in relation to hacking and such. Without them anyone could accuse someone of hacking, get them banned, probably lose their 5 hour progress.

This just can't happen.

Its frustrating, but there simply isn't another way, unless Rocket chooses to centralise ALL the servers, like an MMO, and completely cut out the publics involvement in the running of the servers. Seriously, name another MMO that lets you run your own server.

But you don't have the ability to execute scripts or anything remotely close to that of ArmA 2 on other games.

Its pretty simple, it would get abused, not to mention that coding in the ability to make scenarios (For instance - Thunderdome) on the fly is a huge undertaking.

Scripts are normally executed server-side, Client-side doesn't even get to see these scripts, without the aid of certain tools.

On Arma 2 however, you can execute scripts at will. It has always been BI's mission to deliver an AUTHENTIC MilSim experience with their engine. Some of the contracts they hold are huge, I would assume.

If you have a look at the BI website, it show cases some of their work, most pretty dam impressive.

Unless you are playing Eve, I don't think there is any games of note that actually use a HIVE system.

The HIVE, if you don't know, is basically a huge SQL (assumption) database containing EVERYTHING pertaining to each players Characters.

The general way I the HIVE works is this : (I'd assume there would be more steps, and it would be more complex, but then again, you never know)

- Join Server, "waiting for character to create" is the server you join (Lets say ANZ1 for now) querying the main HIVE for your specific data.

- Do whatever it is you are doing on ANZ1, find a weapon, get some gear, etc, Battleye is active on each DayZ server, trying to find scripts that aren't meant to be there.

- Leave server. ANZ1 communicates all your gear, positioning data etc. to the HIVE.

The problem with this model is that its easy to exploit.

If you can circumvent Battleye, the only server-level security aloud at the moment, you are free to do what you like.

So you can spawn a bunch of vehicles and weapons and the ARMA 2 engine believes that is "legal."

Then when you leave it communicates all this information to the HIVE, which also trusts what the Server has to say. Why wouldn't it though? If you assume everyone is good, there is no reason to look for the bad.

And we need to remember as well, Arma 2 was never made to have a persistent world.

It was designed so you can run scripts, which generally make entire missions, or change the current mission on the fly. Something I'm sure would let the Military contractors stress to their users how battle can change.

SCRIPTS.

Just about everything in Arma 2 is run by scripts. Practically all of DayZ is one script comprised of many, many smaller scripts.

Every time loot spawns. Script.

Every time you spawn. Script.

Zombies spawn. Script.

And so on.

Which leads to the system being easily abused by the less savoury types of gaming.

Understanding how scripting works in relation to anti-cheat.

As you know, scripts can be executed at any time, by any player on any server.

Its ridiculously easy to do.

That is why Battleye is here. It picks up on any "illegal" scripts being executed, the ones that don't match what is meant to be run according to the server.

There is basically a whitelist of scripts that are allowed to run, and anything else results in a kick, or even a global ban.

Battleye is quite efficient at DETECTING scripts that aren't aloud to be run.

The problem at the moment though, isn't Battleye failing (Well, kinda) It's the fact you can use a "hook" to inject into the Client-side Battleye process and typing a few lines of code that effectively make all the scripts you execute invisible to the server log, which means you can't get kicked, banned, etc.

Once they find the memory space getting "hooked" onto, they release an update and a mass ban rolls out.

One happened 3 days or so ago.

That is how anti-cheat and hacking work in relation to each other.

Hackers create a hack, Anti-cheat responds. Mass ban. Rinse and repeat.

You can never completely stop hacking, ever.

There are people who simply dedicate their time as a hobby to writing hacks for games.

These people you don't really need to worry about. They might hack in weapons or vehicles and so on, but their hack stays for their private use, and perhaps a few close friends.

They don't intentionally, ALL THE TIME, go out of their way to ruin other peoples days, like the currently huge amount of Scripts kiddies that got a hold of a certain hack, the friendly hackers you hear about, the ones giving heli rides and gear are generally the people who write their own shit.

SCRIPT KIDDIES.

These are the people you see running rampant. I can 99.99% guarantee these people either downloaded a leaked private hack or bought one from one of the hacking sites that make money from spastics who want an easier game.

These people go mad with power. That's why you see so many people nuking, mass teleporting and so on.

Because they are 12 year olds who have access to their parents credit card.

You'd generally find these people who got killed by a legit sniper and say to themselves "I want that gun, oh, better look for an easy way to get it because i'm aman with ADD and a short attention span."

Basically, they are the spoilt brats of our generation who want instant gratitude.

Unfortunately, the hackers who made these hacks decided to put in instant-kill and teleportation and all these other exploits that ruin everyone's day.

Current scripts ruining your day - UPDATED.

For more information on this look here : The Truth - A guide to surviving Hackers

User Elenkel has gracefully admitted to hacking, and his experiences in relation to what scripts are out there, and how many people are actually hacking are quite eye-opening.

I personally had never even heard of "Thunderdome" until he posted it.

I did choose to omit certain hacks from my original post however, simply because I believe that some people may think it would actually be pretty cool to hack with all the added features.

ESP (in some of the released hacks)

Teleportation. (Of themselves and others)

Ability to see everyone on the map.

Spawning of objects, weaponry or vehicles, including those not in DayZ itself.

God mode.

Nuking.

Give themselves full health with a single button.

Disable grass. - Dunno why they would do that, maybe to see people crawling?

Name Spoofing/Possible GUID spoofing.

Wallhack, kind of. (Tampering with files)

If any admin are reading this, you should read this post : http://dayzmod.com/f..._20#entry481304

Props to Barronism for posting it. It should fix the "wallhack" that people are abusing at the moment, its a very good fix, but i'm sure it will be patched.

What can Admin or even regular players do? -Updated.

First of all, if you haven't read this thread, please do : http://dayzmod.com/f...u-need-to-know/

A fantastic thread letting you know that admins aren't the ones doing this shit to you.

On our side there aren't many things we can do to stop them. If you can Fraps them hacking and possibly get their names or what not, you can contact Battleye, the DayZ team or even BI with your evidence and they should get a ban, sometimes. I can't say for certain how on top of this type of reporting they are.

The DayZ server hosting rules are pretty strict when it comes to banning people from your server. Therefore it is advised you don't ban anyone without the proper evidence, as you could get blacklisted.

Besides, if you have no evidence the suspect will just come here and whine to the DayZ team for an unban. And if you have no evidence they have to oblige. Its not worth the hassle.

Found some fantastic work from a server owner, worth looking into if you admin any server.

http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/39628-dayz-server-suite-name-pending-alpha002-on-pg-3/#entry377033

Huge props to PepperoniKiller.

EDIT. Server admin please read.

Browsing Reddit for the first time and came across this post - http://www.reddit.co...d_to_read_this/

Props to http://www.reddit.com/user/Zhoir for posting.

A lot of the reddit servers on the sidebar and the majority of servers in general have been comprimised by 4chan.

IF you still have your cfgdayz and battleye folders in your root directory where you launch your DAYZ Server from then they can run a script and find out what your rcon password is to access your server remotly or in-game.

This allows them to ban anyone, kick anyone, spam global admin messages and remove any bans you have set in place.

I have seen quite a few servers on the sidebar in a post on 4chan recently (not going to name them but I will notify everyone I can via PM on here)

To fix this (so far it has worked for us)

• you need to move your cfgdayz folder and battleye folders outside of your root server directory.
  
• Then edit your start_dayz.bat file to point to the new directorys location of where you have moved the folders to.
  

Example: "C:\Users\Administrator\dir\Arma 2\Expansion\beta\arma2oaserver.exe" -port=2302 -mod=EXPANSION\beta;EXPANSION\beta\Expansion;EXPANSION;ca;@dayz;@hive -name=cfgdayz -config=C:\Users\Administrator\dir\cfgdayz\server.cfg -cfg=C:\Users\Administrator\dir\cfgdayz\arma2.cfg -profiles=C:\Users\Administrator\dir\cfgdayz-bepath=C:\Users\Administrator\dir\BattlEye -world=Chernarus -cpuCount=3 -exThreads=3

The stuff i've highlighted in bold is what I have changed. As you can see I pointed it towards where I moved the cfgdayz folder and battleye folder. For security reasons I replaced the directory I used with "dir." Simply change dir to the directory you move the folders to.

This SHOULD stop people from grabbing your passwords. EVERY server is at risk right now who have not done this. I believe even Vipeax's server was exploited the same way.

I know this goes againsted our rules of posting anything related to hacking but as I am providing a fix and a lot of reddit servers have been exploited I decided to allow it.

What does Rocket have to do with anti-cheat? (And is this a DayZ problem?)

First of all, aside from the HIVE database bans, Rocket + Team, as far as my knowledge goes (probably wrong :/) have nothing to do directly with the anti-cheat.

At all. That is completely in Battleye's hands, not even BI itself would have anything directly to do with it. And no, they won't change their entire engine to stop scripts from being executed.

A lot of people i've seen on the forum have been saying shit like :

Edit : Original post snipped.

"OMG ROCKET Y U NOT DOING ENOUGH TO FIX THE HAXX"

The kind of "special person" I am trying to reach out to with this post.

Day Z is DEFINATELY the reason we see SO MANY skiddies in the game. ArmA 2 wouldn't be receiving any attention at all in the mainstream if it wasn't for DayZ. So thats where the influx of skiddie scum has come from. They came to play DayZ, it was too hard, or they got bored and they decided to grief everyone.

But DayZ isn't the CAUSE of the hacking. You need to understand this part. ITS NOT DAYZ'S FAULT THERE ARE SKIDDIES EVERYWHERE.

Its multiple things.

Mainly :

- Arma 2 is a trusting engine.

- DayZ is super popular at the moment.

- Battleye is easy to hook into.

There is a quote from Rocket here : http://dayzmod.com/f...ty/#entry434623

"It is going to take time to fix these issues, and security issues in particular are not transparent. DayZ, BIS, and BattlEye do not comment on the security issues for reasons which I really hope are bloody obvious. That means things often happen completely unannounced, and work is done all the time, there will be no big fanfare for dealing with the security issues just constant work and change."

User Max Planck linked in a thread recently.

It sums up why you don't hear anything from any of the people involved Anti-Cheat - With good reason too.

Well, what now?

It will be fixed.

I think i've written that sentence over 100 times on this forum the past two weeks.

Battleye nor BI or the DayZ team announce what they are doing in terms to anti-cheat.

It will just come out of the blue one day and MANY people will get banned.

Patience, a virtue much lost in this generation.

IT WILL BE FIXED.

Battleye is a company contracted to work on the anti-cheat for the Arma 2 engine. Its a job.

They will get it done, because thats what they are payed for.

Its a complex job looking for hooks in your own .DLL, because there are so many places they could be injected.

TL;DR :

Shit happens then you die.

Hackers are always a problem in games. There are ALWAYS people out to crack open games and look inside.

Its just unfortunate that the Engine this incredibly popular game is running on happens to trust EVERY SINGLE PERSON.

Of course people are going to abuse that trust. People are dicks.

You should know that just by running around in Cherno.

Edit : I'd appreciate after reading some sort of comment, to keep the topic up on the front page.

It would be amazing if it got stickied, but not much chance of that.

To the DayZ crew, I apologise if I overstep my bounds with any of this information, I attempted to keep it as clean as possible in regards to hacking.

Also i'd just like to mention that a good chunk of my understanding came directly from Suspenselol.

Props to him.

Edited August 4, 2012 by DarkRaven123
cut out inappropriate words in the post, warned the topicstarter

[teknotel 26]

Thanks for picking me out and calling me special. Your post is quite informative and explanatory. But it does not really solve any issues. DayZ is a great game and if you played it as much as I do you would understand what everyone is 'bitching' about. Hacking is making the game unplayable. Just explain to me what the issue is with people coming out and saying that? The idea is that people vent their problems and if enough people vent it, in the end they may do something about it... I really do not understand the arrogance behind your obvious attitude of 'only certain peoples opinions count'. That is not cool. Opinion is just that and everyones should be respected.

First of all, you have a cheating section of the forum, the problems being raised are to do with people immediately insulting or telling people to shut up who are reporting cheating in this section of the forum. A bit retarded. I have not insulted anyone or had a pop at anyone who has not complained about people reporting hacking. Also just so you know I am 27 and have played computer games for over 15 years, I may not know a great deal about scripts and hacking like you seem to, but I know what is fun and what is not. I think as a game player my opinion is just as valuable as yours even if from a different perspective.

I completely stand by what you quoted me as saying, at the end of your post you go onto say 'IT WILL BE FIXED' with patience..... So you then agree with me that it is not impossible that one day, DayZ, will be a less hackable game through whatever means.... You even say this is something the DayZ team will sort out eventually..... I don't really see anyone demanding it be fixed NOW. You are completely presuming that. People are just pointing out hacking on severs because there is no where else to report it, not anywhere that is easily visible anyway. I am just saying this should not be just stomped on and the people who are reporting it be insulted. What is the issue, they are trying to help and want the game to be playable and fun for everyone. I just don't get how your post seems to agree with my post, I am saying to people who are saying nothing can be done about it, that eventually it can... and right now it is making the game unplayable.... so I think it would be wise for the DayZ team to look into it sooner rather than later as they will lose a lot of players to this. What is the problem with that viewpoint? This is what the forum is for. I like how you have a post called DayZ suggestions, but it seems you don't like it when other people make there own suggestions.... How old are you?

To be fair to you, in this post you have actually answered a lot of questions people have, so why insult people asking these questions with less knowledge than you? If you had just written this post without any insulting, calling people special, douches, saying there bitching,spastics etc.you could have just linked to it when people were complaining about hacking and answered all of there questions. But no, you would rather first berate them for their lack of knowledge, Don't get the attitude. I think the reason every second thread as you put it, is filled with people complaining about hacking, is because it is a major issue to anyone who is playing a lot of the game and it is making the game almost unplayable. You spend hours gearing up for the exciting bit of the game, PvP, and then when it comes you just get auto killed.... People don't want to play after that happens to them 3 or 4 times. I really don't understand what the problem is with people expressing that in the DayZ forums.... Explain if you want to?

Your post is so patronizing. And solves nothing. Very informative though.

[M O N S T E R 599]

Good information - deliver it better.

Beans anyway.

-MONSTER

[DarkRaven123 602]

Of course it doesn't solve anything.

Unfortunately as a community we can't do anything to fight the hackers.

Sure we can continue making 2489654 threads about it, but that is why I wrote this, so people who, of they have questions or accusations, can read this, instead of making ANOTHER new thread for the same issue.

I also apologise to you personally, from your other posts you looked like another spastic troll, but you aren't.

[DarkRaven123 602]

Good information - deliver it better.

Beans anyway.

-MONSTER

To much effort.

[M O N S T E R 599]

Of course it doesn't solve anything.

Unfortunately as a community we can't do anything to fight the hackers.

Sure we can continue making 2489654 threads about it, but that is why I wrote this, so people who, of they have questions or accusations, can read this, instead of making ANOTHER new thread for the same issue.

I also apologise to you personally, from your other posts you looked like another spastic troll, but you aren't.

They won't read this and they will still make more threads thinking that it's either only happening to them in particular, they've had it happen too many times for their ego to shrug off or they're too simple to search for a thread. The only way to actually have people read something like this is to link it to them personally or sticky it - both of them probably not going to happen.

On a side note; I hope they DO read this. Instead of posting their own dribble.

-MONSTER

[DarkRaven123 602]

Even if it doesn't work, it was worth a try.

The people who do read it, however, should have a better grasp on the situation. Hopefully.

[lordopeth 274]

and generally because i'm fucking sick of every second thread being some douche whining about how BI or DayZ team should fix it.

Careful, I got called a forum nazi because of the same thing...

Beans for you.

[alyas 14]

You has my beans.

[teknotel 26]

Of course it doesn't solve anything.

Unfortunately as a community we can't do anything to fight the hackers.

Sure we can continue making 2489654 threads about it, but that is why I wrote this, so people who, of they have questions or accusations, can read this, instead of making ANOTHER new thread for the same issue.

I also apologise to you personally, from your other posts you looked like another spastic troll, but you aren't.

Thank you, I apologise also for anything I may have said that seemed troll like. I think that a lot of people are just immediately being rude to people who are reporting hacking. I am sure some people are blaming DayZ, but not everyone is, to me its quite obvious this has nothing to do with the mod 'DayZ'. I just see posts in the cheating section where someone has gone to a lot effort to list what happened to them, where and some even attach evidence to get the response 'tell someone who cares' or 'nothing can be done, so stop posting about it'. I think at the moment this is the only way of actually doing anything about it so people can look out for suspected hackers names and server admins can be informed if it is occurring on there servers as I have said already there not really anywhere else to express this, I appreciate that a update to the anti cheat or to the game system itself is something which would take time, so I think this is all we have now. So people shouldn't put it down.

I have made other posts where I have criticised these people and quoted them, we all get carried away when we feel strongly about something, that is natural and I am sure you understand what I am saying when I say that. I just think people should calm down a bit and let everyone say what they want to say. That is the point of a forum and it infuriates me when people try to squash people expressing themselves.

Everyone is here because DayZ is a great game and we all want to keep it that way regardless of what our opinions are and that is what matters. This is actually a really useful post for all those people who are complaining about hacking and should be stickied or something.

Right Im done with forums for now, so draining. Gonna try and get to cherno and kill someone who has better weapons than me with a hatchet,

[mr_seacucumber 81]

Thank you for this actually makes a little more sense, cheers :)

[lordopeth 274]

I actually watched some videos last night on you tube last night so I can be aware of what they were and looked like.

Informative post man, thanks.

Edited August 1, 2012 by opeth

[BL1P 252]

Reporting the hacker is a part of testing the mod.

Telling people to stop bitching in a forum for an alpha test is well...........

[Inception. 9443]

As of late I have only been affected by teleportation.

Other than that, beans for you.

[servicestud 4]

[ ... ]Opinion is just that and everyones should be respected.[ ... ]

People are born equal, opinions are not. I don't really care about an un-(or mis-)informed persons opinion vs that of someone with the facts on hand.

[Sticker704 121]

A very educational read. I did have some idea how it worked but not a full picture. Take my beans.

[DarkRaven123 602]

I'll probably update it when I get any new info and such.

[Joe_Blow 11]

The biggest problem and the thing that is going to kill the community is that, even though every other post on the forums is about hacking, no one from the Development team is responding to the problem.

Sure they may be working on it in the back ground and will release the solution when they are ready; however they may not be working on it at all.

We don't know.

Because there is no response from the DayZ team people will automatically think that no one is working on a solution and that they team don't think that hacking is an issue, even though there are 1,000,000 posts complaining about hacking.

Or even worse they are ignoring the problem in hopes that it will go away.

Their lack of acknowledgement to this issue will stop people from playing.

I already know more than 10 players who refuse to get on a server until this is resolved.

Just one post from Rocket or another dev team member about the situation and their concern of the issue may help to calm the waters.

Until then you will just see more and more posts as the incidents happen and people get fed up.

Edited August 1, 2012 by Joe_Blow

[nufcmickey 32]

Props to the OP for that Info, it makes alot of sense, and I agree and understand everything.

However, when youve been killed by a hacker when your on a good few days with loads of loot and good stuff, to get all that work taken away by some scum hacker, it boils your blood to the point of wanting them dead in real life, so then you want somewhere to rant and rave about whats just happened to you, and yes we all know of the amount of threads there is, but at this stage you dont care. Then another point is that if people post another thread, just ignore it if its bothering you or you arnt intrested, Let people post what they want, its not harming no one. But to be honest, In that situation while raging people are gonna still make threads whatever info is here about it.

If no thread intrests you then close the page and go back to playing the game. Simples !

[badger05 41]

The only question I have is where can I join one of these passworded servers?

Also you are wrong it will never be fixed. It will be the same as last time all the hackers will be banned for a day and then they will all just come back 10 times stronger and more pissed.

Edited August 1, 2012 by badger05

[Teiwaz 45]

Great post about hacking.

Best read I had so far on that topic in this forum. Beans for you.

... I may not know a great deal about scripts and hacking...

And that's one of the main problems. Every average Joe thinks he knows what exactly the problem is and how it could be fixed ("ban the hackers", "fix your code", etc.) - and normally they demand it to be done yesterday.

If you don't know much about airplanes except that they fly, would you tell the pilot how he's supposed to do it? Don't think so. Sure, you can say what's on your mind, and yes you surely have the right to say what you think is going wrong and how you think the problem can be fixed, but if someone tells you "sorry, you're wrong...these are the problems you generally have with hacking & anti-cheating" - just think about that for some time and cool down. Making a mass of threads like "FIX YOUR FUCKING CODE, RETARD IDIOT!" is 1) plain stupid, 2) childish behaviour, 3) rude and 4) it doesn't help anyone.

This is not meant as a personal insult to you or something, don't get me wrong. It's just a general advise not pointed at anyone in particular to listen to those people who know what they are talking about (yes, I know - it's the internetz for you).

Fixing exploitable code (normally) is hard as shit and takes time. No developer is happy about the fact that it's there, and every developer want's his code to work as intended (well, at least I want that).

Patience is a virtue.

[edit]

The biggest problem and the thing that is going to kill the community is that, even though every other post on the forums is about hacking, no one from the Development team is responding to the problem.

Sure they may be working on it in the back ground and will release the solution when they are ready; however they may not be working on it at all.

We don't know.

Because there is no response from the DayZ team people will automatically think that no one is working on a solution and that they team don't think that hacking is an issue, even though there are 1,000,000 posts complaining about hacking.

Or even worse they are ignoring the problem in hopes that it will go away.

Their lack of acknowledgement to this issue will stop people from playing.

I already know more than 10 players who refuse to get on a server until this is resolved.

Just one post from Rocket or another dev team member about the situation and their concern of the issue may help to calm the waters.

Until then you will just see more and more posts as the incidents happen and people get fed up.

And what do you think they should say?

"We know, but it's not our problem as we can't do anything about it"? - mass rage shitstorm incoming.

"It's being worked on"? - now the forum get's flooded with "DONE YET?!" threads.

"Hacking's cool! We like it" - ahm, yeah... trolling much?

"We don't care"? - ah, come on, they DO care.

It doesn't matter what you say, it's always the wrong choice.

And believing that nothing is done about it, well, I'd call that a dumb assumption.

[/edit]

Edited August 1, 2012 by Teiwaz

[teknotel 26]

People are born equal, opinions are not. I don't really care about an un-(or mis-)informed persons opinion vs that of someone with the facts on hand.

You don't have to care, like or agree with an opinion to show it respect. Respect is about allowing people Deciding whose opinion is uninformed and whose is is a matter of opinion anyway. I just think people with this attitude show a very obvious lack of maturity.

And that's one of the main problems. Every average Joe thinks he knows what exactly the problem is and how it could be fixed ("ban the hackers", "fix your code", etc.) - and normally they demand it to be done yesterday.

If you don't know much about airplanes except that they fly, would you tell the pilot how he's supposed to do it? Don't think so. Sure, you can say what's on your mind, and yes you surely have the right to say what you think is going wrong and how you think the problem can be fixed, but if someone tells you "sorry, you're wrong...these are the problems you generally have with hacking & anti-cheating" - just think about that for some time and cool down. Making a mass of threads like "FIX YOUR FUCKING CODE, RETARD IDIOT!" is 1) plain stupid, 2) childish behaviour, 3) rude and 4) it doesn't help anyone.

This is not meant as a personal insult to you or something, don't get me wrong. It's just a general advise not pointed at anyone in particular to listen to those people who know what they are talking about (yes, I know - it's the internetz for you).

Fixing exploitable code (normally) is hard as shit and takes time. No developer is happy about the fact that it's there, and every developer want's his code to work as intended (well, at least I want that).

Patience is a virtue.

To be honest I don't see much of this, people being rude about DayZ developers not fixing the hacking problem immediately. From what I have seen it is a lot more the other way. People reporting hacking and getting absolutely stomped on by everyone else, people telling them to shut up etc. I really havent seen any demanding, correct me if I am wrong and show me some posts of people demanding hacking to be fixed in a unfair way.

Personally I dont think it matters anyway, people should be allowed to say what they want in a forum. Even if you don't agree with it, just ignore it or put your argument across.

FInally I don't think it really matters if you have knowledge of coding and development to have an opinion on what can be done to solve the problem. I mean the OP agreed with me that there are things that can be done in the future to solve the problem... And I'm just an average Joe lol, I think what I was stressing was that if they don't do something soon there gonna loose a large chunk of people playing the game, developers have already started developing rival games with the exact same premise as DayZ. It will only take one big developer to just copy this Mod as a secure stand alone and all the teams great work will be in vain as it will be a lot harder to release with competition already there.

I think a lot of people criticising people complaining about hackers don't really care how many copies get sold at the end or how many people are playing the game, But I am sure Rocket and the DayZ team will definitely care so maybe you should all think about that.

[Teiwaz 45]

To be honest I don't see much of this, people being rude about DayZ developers not fixing the hacking problem immediately. From what I have seen it is a lot more the other way. People reporting hacking and getting absolutely stomped on by everyone else, people telling them to shut up etc. I really havent seen any demanding, correct me if I am wrong and show me some posts of people demanding hacking to be fixed in a unfair way.

Personally I dont think it matters anyway, people should be allowed to say what they want in a forum. Even if you don't agree with it, just ignore it or put your argument across.

Well, I might be a bit biased on that, but that's how I experienced it in more of a decade in online gaming.

Just to point it out once more: I totally agree with you, that everyone has the right to address his opinion (in a, most of the time, civilized manner though).

FInally I don't think it really matters if you have knowledge of coding and development to have an opinion on what can be done to solve the problem. I mean the OP agreed with me that there are things that can be done in the future to solve the problem... And I'm just an average Joe lol, I think what I was stressing was that if they don't do something soon there gonna loose a large chunk of people playing the game...

Sure thing, but what some people just don't get is that (and that is an assumption on my part) DayZ's dev team's hands are mostly bound on the issue of hacking. Sure, blame the stewardess (sticking to the airplane example) for the drunk pilot, but that won't change anything. The stewardess can't fly the plane.

For the "one big developer" thing. That's always a possibility with a mod and you can't do shit about it. Rocket has the bonus of BI aknowledging the success and value of DayZ, so I personally am not to scared about that.

Edited August 1, 2012 by Teiwaz

[longbwai 18]

As we have seen, there is rampant "hacking" in -game at the moment.

Also as we've seen, everyone is a spastic and rants and raves over how rocket should fix the hacking.

Stopped reading here. I've died numerous times to hacking. I can handle any type of in-game death or death from alpha glitch (shot, eaten, duped into trap, falling thru a wall/railing bug, gate killed). This can happen to me any number of times and I will play on.

Died from hacking too many times tho. Came here and made a few short posts only to get shitty responses from people who spend too much time on the forums who are tired of reading the same thing over and over. The OP is one of those people. Saying everyone is a spastic is the wrong way to start a post if you are actually trying to be helpful.

[jackcrow 129]

A lot of people i've seen on the forum have been saying shit like :

The kind of "special person" I am trying to reach out to with this post.

Very good write up until this part. You seem to understand a lot about the Arma2 engine yet fail to really understand it. To say that the DayZ team has no ability to control Anti-Cheat is completely false. There are options that can be written and ran server side and to be perfectly honest I would be very surprised if Rocket and the DayZ are not already exploring and developing something. So I believe you owe that person you quoted a small apology as there was nothing wrong with what they said. Now had they come in saying things like "Rocket and the DayZ team charged me for a hack infested product and will never fix the problem" then you might have a point.