Should DayZ Be Censored?

[3rdparty 229]

Now before I begin, this is not going to be a spilling of grim imagery, that frequent browsers would have probably seen; the occasional violent or "procreative" thread :)

Nor is this a thread about whether DayZ should be censored (that was just to unknowingly reel you in :) of course it will be. Thats reality of dealing with large industry and wide commercial access.

If all youve got to post is a loyal recitation of censorship law or "doesnt matter anyway censorship censorship", please dont post.

Its about what you think about censoring a game like this. Personally to me, games are a form of art media. And all media push the boundaries of taboos. No matter how much it freaks people out, taboos get broken, we move on, then it becomes the norm.

Games are really the last frontier for breaking taboos, and thats due to their potential for being immersive. Personally i think censorship is bullshit by anywhooo.

What makes me post this thread is that Day Z is already pushing this frontier by introducing practically a new sub genre of fps. Survival; essentially looking after yourself in a virtual world. After this.. the only thing left to improve really is virtual reality simulations and we could be looking at very strange gaming future indeed. Just incase peeps think im going on a bit of a tangent, this is an interesting documentary trailer worth watching that might help ye see what im trying to get at: http://criticalpathproject.com/trailer/index.html

What I ask to you, the reader, how far can emotional connection with your in game character be made, if a world which is essentially simulating apocalyptic biological genocide, does not contain the brutality and injustice you would of expect of it.

(I dont wanna finish my point of view because i wouldnt mind seeing what peeps think about this)

[omgwtfbbq (DayZ) 1069]

what would you be censoring?

[ratfever 27]

What are you suggesting? At the current state Dayz has nothing that needs to be censored, and it's fine that way. No need to push boundaries, it will always be bad for the game.

Edited July 28, 2012 by Ratfever

[3rdparty 229]

what would you be censoring?

I would censor nothing

What are you suggesting? At the current state Dayz has nothing that needs to be censored, and it's fine that way. No need to push boundaries, it will always be bad for the game.

.. I think ye are missing the point, this is not a suggestion, im asking how emotionally immersive can this game truly be, if its not open to the kind of horrors and brutality you would expect of it.

[ratfever 27]

I would censor nothing

.. I think ye are missing the point, this is not a suggestion, im asking how emotionally immersive can this game truly be, if its not open to the kind of horrors and brutality you would expect of it.

By not adding in the horrors, that would be inevitable. There's a difference between a game that's realistic, and a real-life simulator. There is no need to add anything that would cause a stir in society.

Edited July 28, 2012 by Ratfever

[omgwtfbbq (DayZ) 1069]

this still doesn't make sense... the title: "should dayz be censored?" but nothing in your post suggests what should be censored. rename the post if you have a different point being made.

[3rdparty 229]

Ok as an example, im sure many people here have seen or watch the Walking Dead.

In my opinion, water down panned out nonsense, why? Not because its bad concept or progression of events, but because its actual base and foundations come from the comic book its based on, which is not only better in every single way, is also powerfully grim, and far more gripping.

Walking Dead would not be a TV program if the comic wasnt what it was. Not even particularily taboo busting either, just an emotional commitment because the world portrayed in the comics feels more real.

[3rdparty 229]

By not adding in the horrors, that would be inevitable. There's a difference between a game that's realistic, and a real-life simulator. There is no need to add anything that would cause a stir in society.

Well thats where i disagree, if it retracts from the gaming experience then i think it is a bit of a cop out, and knowing censorship history, will only be a matter of time before it is done.

[3rdparty 229]

this still doesn't make sense... the title: "should dayz be censored?" but nothing in your post suggests what should be censored. rename the post if you have a different point being made.

ORactually bother to read further than a paragraph of the OP where it states: Nor is this a thread about whether DayZ should be censored (that was just to unknowingly reel you in :)

Problem being that im not reeling in readers. I hate marketing.

Edited July 28, 2012 by 3rdParty

[ratfever 27]

Ok as an example, im sure many people here have seen or watch the Walking Dead.

In my opinion, water down panned out nonsense, why? Not because its bad concept or progression of events, but because its actual base and foundations come from the comic book its based on, which is not only better in every single way, is also powerfully grim, and far more gripping.

Walking Dead would not be a TV program if the comic wasnt what it was. Not even particularily taboo busting either, just an emotional commitment because the world portrayed in the comics feels more real.

Well clearly people enjoy this game, with or without these so-called grim "realistic" events. Adding taboo elements would drive more people away, then it would attract people, as I see it. I know I wouldn't play this game if it was full of this "realistic" content.

[CerebralZombie (DayZ) 151]

All I know is that games ease the urge to do things that can be done in real life. GTA for instance, eases the urge to kill people or run them down with my car. :D

On the apocalypse note, just like that new tv show, "Doomsday Preppers". It's just another way to replace the need of the old n' days when life was work and you always had something to do. People enjoy the idea of an apocolypse because how could you ever be that bored when it's as if you're playing a game where the stakes are even higher and you must always be doing something or die. Sure you'd have time for go fish or to even hook up a generator to a tv and Xbox and still play games. (If you want the bandits to hear you) Also living with the fact one day we may experience an apocalypse, we might as well get ready to enjoy the damn thing!

I just wish there were more guns n' ammo in Canada.

Now I rambled enough and don't know what you were implying or exactly saying, so that was what I came up with. (I am very tired and just wanted to finish this post. Sorry if some of it is crazy... Or all of it. ;) )

[Boyos (DayZ) 15]

What type of censoring do you expect to see? M for mature, all fps get that. Throw on the standered online experience changes the game warning. What could be censored? Blood? There's no in game language, there's just zombies and blood.

[Tiercel 63]

No..?

Theres far more violent and gorey games out there than this little mod based on an ancient game. Even the PS1 era resident evil games had more blood and gore than this.

[3rdparty 229]

Well clearly people enjoy this game, with or without these so-called grim "realistic" events. Adding taboo elements would drive more people away, then it would attract people, as I see it. I know I wouldn't play this game if it was full of this "realistic" content.

Ok fair enough point, but let me ask ye on a personal basis, do ye watch any horror films or play any other horror media format? Or is DAyZ a first horror for ye? BEcause even at the moment, there is an incredible lack of horror sensation in this game :S

Also i disagree on the driving peeps away business, some of the games that have received most notoriety have profited off it. Not that thats good, just that it wouldn't kill the game.

All I know is that games ease the urge to do things that can be done in real life. GTA for instance, eases the urge to kill people or run them down with my car. :D

On the apocalypse note, just like that new tv show, "Doomsday Preppers". It's just another way to replace the need of the old n' days when life was work and you always had something to do. People enjoy the idea of an apocolypse because how could you ever be that bored when it's as if you're playing a game where the stakes are even higher and you must always be doing something or die. Sure you'd have time for go fish or to even hook up a generator to a tv and Xbox and still play games. (If you want the bandits to hear you) Also living with the fact one day we may experience an apocalypse, we might as well get ready to enjoy the damn thing!

I just wish there were more guns n' ammo in Canada.

Now I rambled enough and don't know what you were implying or exactly saying, so that was what I came up with. (I am very tired and just wanted to finish this post. Sorry if some of it is crazy... Or all of it. ;) )

Yess i recommend beddy byes, but im asking whether this game will truly have an immersive horror feel to it if it misses out crucial grimness present in others.

[3rdparty 229]

What type of censoring do you expect to see? M for mature, all fps get that. Throw on the standered online experience changes the game warning. What could be censored? Blood? There's no in game language, there's just zombies and blood.

No..?

Theres far more violent and gorey games out there than this little mod based on an ancient game. Even the PS1 era resident evil games had more blood and gore than this.

thankyou, for not reading!

[CerebralZombie (DayZ) 151]

Ah I see. Well since it's a mod for a game that is built for a totally different reason (Although it is a simulator) and is still in alpha, that will only be a dream. Maybe in Arma III, or when (The)War Z comes out you'll be satisfied.

[*Regulator* Insaner 23]

From what I think, alot of German games are censored to have blood effects stripped(correct me if I'm wrong ofc)

Like the german L4D games etc.

Imo censorship is just word to paper, people still do whatever they like.

I'll ask you this, who ever bought a M rated game himself when he was 15 or 16?

And how many were actually refused by the vendor?

Look at games as Postal and Manhunt, they are just about the gruesome killings, but people buy them and still enjoy them nevertheless.

Censorship is just a way to show a big percentile of the population that worries about these things that the governement cares.

Guess what they actually don't, as long as they get their taxes they raise on the product.

Compare it to cigarettes, they're bad, they outlaw smoking in public areas, but they still don't outlaw the cigarette itself, just because of taxes.

Don't get me wrong, there are always people who need protection from their own, but those are just a very small segment of gamers.

But in the end, each is responsible for his own, if you feel DayZ is to intense for you, that you have trouble sleeping at night, then stop playing it all together.

Still a good OP tho :D

[Lookdavook 18]

Games are really the last frontier for breaking taboos,

Wow, have u seen "A Serbian Film"? Tell me a game where u are ****ing ur own son in a porn movie.

Or some other examples like "120 Days of Sodom" or "Begotten"

Weakling.

[ratfever 27]

Ok fair enough point, but let me ask ye on a personal basis, do ye watch any horror films or play any other horror media format? Or is DAyZ a first horror for ye? BEcause even at the moment, there is an incredible lack of horror sensation in this game :S

Also i disagree on the driving peeps away business, some of the games that have received most notoriety have profited off it. Not that thats good, just that it wouldn't kill the game.

I love a good horror film. I don't play too many horror games, as quite frankly most of them aren't frightening and are rather boring.

I do not consider DayZ a horror mod at all. Not too many people play this game for the horror aspect. This game isn't frightening in the "traditional" method, but rather highly tense, which evoke feelings of terror. Such as being fired upon, or seeing that glowstick in the distance.

[Dancing.Russian.Man 1631]

"Games are art. Art breaks taboos. We accept said taboos, and the taboos become the norm.

So guys, let's censor this game?"

Wat?

[omgwtfbbq (DayZ) 1069]

ORactually bother to read further than a paragraph of the OP where it states: Nor is this a thread about whether DayZ should be censored (that was just to unknowingly reel you in :)

Problem being that im not reeling in readers. I hate marketing.

somebody lock this thread.

[3rdparty 229]

Wow, have u seen "A Serbian Film"? Tell me a game where u are ****ing ur own son in a porn movie.

Or some other examples like "120 Days of Sodom" or "Begotten"

Weakling.

I have seen a serbian film, got reeled into it by a film student friend of mine, whats your excuse? XD

And thats my point, that kinda thing hasnt been done in game, in every other art form sure, but not games, theyre the last frontier of taboos. My question is whether this style of game, survival, can be truly immersive without this uber grim aspect.

Theres even games out that are grimmer than this game, the problem comes in that all the grimness is conducted by NPC's. Introducing that sandbox behavior to people seems to be the main taboo.

I love a good horror film. I don't play too many horror games, as quite frankly most of them aren't frightening and are rather boring.

I do not consider DayZ a horror mod at all. Not too many people play this game for the horror aspect. This game isn't frightening in the "traditional" method, but rather highly tense, which evoke feelings of terror. Such as being fired upon, or seeing that glowstick in the distance.

So I would say that you have seen a horror film that has far grimer scare/shock value then this game holds, and that if ye were to equate the horror of this game to a film, itd be a pretty lame horror film.

To think as well that the horror aspect with zombies will not be improved beyond its current level.. :) I wouldnt bet on it.

[3rdparty 229]

"Games are art. Art breaks taboos. We accept said taboos, and the taboos become the norm.

So guys, let's censor this game?"

Wat?

Thank you, for skim reading!

[3rdparty 229]

somebody lock this thread.

:'( err why? if your not gonna read the OP dont bother posting!

[The Alphabeat. 16]

Why would any game have to be censored at all? They're just games.