Pvp, PvE, DM and so forth...........

[Michaelvoodoo25 3120]

I have a pretty static style of playing (I'm no killer) I constantly read posts by people who have one preference over another. Everyday someone post's something along the lines of "Why do people Kill other players?" or "To the guy who bummed me while I was running around like a twat" or even "Stop turning DayZ into Cod" etc.etc.

I would just like your impressions of how long you think DayZ would last IF people went away and set up their friendly servers, Do you think the game would stand up to your expectations? Would you seriously play it longer or would the gameplay bore you after a while?

This is not to incite stupidity or arguments but to look at this potential if it was Directed towards a PvE!! (Not that that will happen)

Please share why you think Everybody holding hands will benefit the game!

Cheers

[Worrun (DayZ) 108]

I made a suggestion about possibly PVE servers and just got assraped by our super friendly community. I still want PVE servers though. :)

[OrLoK 16185]

Hello there

Why not make it up to the server hosts and label them accordingly?

Everyone happy then.

Rgds

LoK

[Dingus (DayZ) 429]

It's not "Day Z" if you segregate "friendlies" from "bandits." That's the simple truth of it.

[Michaelvoodoo25 3120]

Didnt answer my questions, I can understand why people would want it (However i don't personally see the need for it)

What is it you want to gain from PvE gameplay?

Oi Dingus I just noticed your moving signature, I thought i was having a fit :blush:

Edited July 17, 2012 by Michaelvoodoo25

[Dingus (DayZ) 429]

It would be boring and pointless as it is now. In PvE you need clear goals. Survival from starvation/dehydration is not in itself enough of a goal to drive the title. I believe it is survival from other players that carries it. I'm not super big pvp man myself, but the act of keeping a low profile, the pressure to, is what makes the game for me. Seeing people in the distance and deciding to take the shot or move in another direction.

Zombies are cool, but they aren't smart enough or threatening enough to carry the title on their own.

IMO

[Refried 14]

fact: no NPC (zombie or otherwise) ever made in the history of ever will provide any long-term challenge

the uncertainty of human interaction is the only real dynamic content in any given game

Edited July 17, 2012 by Refried

[Kiro (DayZ) 57]

There's no point in playing DayZ if there's no PvP.

Once you have a gun, the game is really easy against zombies, and you don't risk losing anything.

The real fun comes from fighting/interacting with other players. IMO there aren't enough players on 1 map, there should be 200 per server, that way you really take risk by visiting cities to get supplies.

[Michaelvoodoo25 3120]

i have asked this exact question numerous times

So please share with me your findings! I like to look at this Mod from a lot of different angles from player psychology to survivalist instincts.

I am NOT trying to stick up for the Bandit type of playing / players.

[ZedsDeadBaby 2287]

Playing DayZ without PvP would be like trying to eat a peanut butter & jelly sandwich without the bread.

You might still manage to get a little in your mouth, but it's not going to be very satisfying.

[amudkipz 46]

fact: no NPC (zombie or otherwise) ever made in the history of ever will provide any long-term challenge

the uncertainty of human interaction is the only real dynamic content in any given game

The problem is that there is certainty of human interaction. Someone gets shot, or someone leaves before being noticed. Im not for PvE servers but the game needs some tweaking in mechanics.

Edited July 17, 2012 by amudkipz

[OrLoK 16185]

Hello there

I have an absolute blast playing SP DAYZ and there's no PVP in that.

Sometimes I want to PVP, sometimes I want to PVE.

If we have the choice we can all be happy.

If PVE isn't in demand the servers will soon change back to PVP and visa versa.

I see no issue, regardless of whether folk think it's "cannon" or not.

Rgds

LoK

[Refried 14]

So please share with me your findings!

unfortunately, every attempt to provoke honest responses from the WE WANT PVE BLARGH crowd has failed

the issue is that they genuinely cannot understand why it wouldn't be fun

i imagine this is the same kind of person that thinks zombies are 'hard'

[Michaelvoodoo25 3120]

There's no point in playing DayZ if there's no PvP.

Once you have a gun, the game is really easy against zombies, and you don't risk losing anything.

The real fun comes from fighting/interacting with other players. IMO there aren't enough players on 1 map, there should be 200 per server, that way you really take risk by visiting cities to get supplies.

200 Players? That nearly 1 per square (you do the math) That would kill the core idea of the game imo, yeah the zeds are easy even with a melee weapon but 200 other players? The cities / big towns are deathtraps nowadays anyways they dont need more players.

I find fighting to be a benefit but not end all be all of the Mod.

Edited July 17, 2012 by Michaelvoodoo25

[Zexis 127]

Hello there

I have an absolute blast playing SP DAYZ ...

Have? How?!

[Whattteva 32]

I would just like your impressions of how long you think DayZ would last IF people went away and set up their friendly servers, Do you think the game would stand up to your expectations?

I think friendly servers would simply be used to farm loot so people can then jump on normal servers to use their newly acquired goodies to stroke their e-peens.

Would you seriously play it longer or would the gameplay bore you after a while?

As I have already stated, people would most likely just use those servers to farm and then jump to normal servers. Gameplay would mostly stay the same, so I'd probably feel either the same or better since everyone is more on level playing field now.

I honestly don't see a problem with separating the two environments. Plenty of other games already do this and suffer no real consequences (if anything, it made them more popular). So there are already plenty of precedents for it.

You earn my beans because your post is actually a lot more insightful than the average "I'm sick of PvP" or the average "I'm sick of people complaining about PvP". I'm sick of both types of posts and would rather not see either of them. They both preach to the choir and beat the same dead horse. Either way, no one will really listen to either of them.

Edited July 17, 2012 by Whattteva

[OrLoK 16185]

Have? How?!

Hello there

Regardless of how *I* have *fun*, even if I explained it, as we obviously have differing tastes I would never be able to convince you it's *fun*.

It's like Hip Hop or Country and Western, some people like one, some like the other, some neither and some both.

There are mainly PVE based (non hive) servers out there, so there is some need.

Even if it doesnt become standard folk will just engineer their own way to have PVE.

Rgds

LoK

PS the chap above has it correct about separating the two so no loot farming could occour.

Edited July 17, 2012 by orlok

[Dingus (DayZ) 429]

I have an absolute blast playing SP DAYZ and there's no PVP in that.

Sometimes I want to PVP, sometimes I want to PVE.

I see no issue, regardless of whether folk think it's "cannon" or not.

Some people have the uncanny ability to be wholly entertained by repetitive tasks in solo gameplay. For example I canNOT enjoy minecraft by myself. I did for maybe 10 hours when I first got it, but then it was dead to me. I had people tell me "oh well you're just not creative" where as I just didn't feel like I was playing anything. It's not like Legacy of Cain where there is active story or objectives. It's there, do something with it. SP Day Z is the same way. What am I going to do once I have a bunch of food and weapons? Shoot zombies that respawn in minutes anyway? I guess it's a matter of preference or personal taste.

"Sometimes I want/dont etc" This argument I take issue with. You create two entirely different games with the statement, and it seems to lend to the idea that you miss the point of day z or simulation games at all. It's just a frustrating bit to read.

And it's not an issue of being "canon" or not. It's just not the same.

But I guess it wouldn't be crazy to have a modified mod, and I know there already are. It just conflicts with me on a conceptual level. People say "this is what is 'fun' to me," and I want to say it's not about "fun." The act of it not being "fun" makes Day Z "fun" to me... as weird as that is.

[Whattteva 32]

Hello there

Regardless of how *I* have *fun*, even if I explained it, as we obviously have differing tastes I would never be able to convince you it's *fun*.

It's like Hip Hop or Country and Western, some people like one, some like the other, some neither and some both.

There are mainly PVE based (non hive) servers out there, so there is some need.

Even if it doesnt become standard folk will just engineer their own way to have PVE.

Rgds

LoK

PS the chap above has it correct about separating the two so no loot farming could occour.

The OP merely wanted your opinion. He didn't say he will judge it nor did he say was it intended to incite arguments. In short, he's not asking you to "convince" him. Is it that hard to simply do as requested? To be fair, you did somewhat answer at the end though, so I guess it's cool.

Edited July 17, 2012 by Whattteva

[Michaelvoodoo25 3120]

Good points Whattteva,

So your saying if both exsisted then the PvE'ers (or all players) would just log onto a PvP game and lose all their stuff and start the cycle again? Promoting Server hoppers, Banditry and this would, I wonder prolong the shelf life of the Mod? (even with the future updates and final release)

Bit of a vicious circle really then eh?

Can we stop with the bickering!! My post still needs answering

Edited July 17, 2012 by Michaelvoodoo25

[Worrun (DayZ) 108]

Hello there

Why not make it up to the server hosts and label them accordingly?

Everyone happy then.

Rgds

LoK

Yeah that would be a must. :)

What is it you want to gain from PvE gameplay?

It would be an option for the people that preffer to play in a casual, friendly environment. Nobody would be forcing anybody at all to play PVP or PVE and everyone would be happy. I don't understand why people are voting against this so much, if they don't want to play it then fine but we do so why can't we have a choice? :(

Also, your character would be labeled PVP or PVE so you can only enter the respective world. That would stop exploiters/hoppers getting some easy stuff in PVE and taking it into PVP to rape some faces. :D

Edited July 17, 2012 by Worrun

[OrLoK 16185]

Some people have the uncanny ability to be wholly entertained by repetitive tasks in solo gameplay. For example I canNOT enjoy minecraft by myself. I did for maybe 10 hours when I first got it, but then it was dead to me. I had people tell me "oh well you're just not creative" where as I just didn't feel like I was playing anything. It's not like Legacy of Cain where there is active story or objectives. It's there, do something with it. SP Day Z is the same way. What am I going to do once I have a bunch of food and weapons? Shoot zombies that respawn in minutes anyway? I guess it's a matter of preference or personal taste.

"Sometimes I want/dont etc" This argument I take issue with. You create two entirely different games with the statement, and it seems to lend to the idea that you miss the point of day z or simulation games at all. It's just a frustrating bit to read.

And it's not an issue of being "canon" or not. It's just not the same.

But I guess it wouldn't be crazy to have a modified mod, and I know there already are. It just conflicts with me on a conceptual level. People say "this is what is 'fun' to me," and I want to say it's not about "fun." The act of it not being "fun" makes Day Z "fun" to me... as weird as that is.

Hello there

I've always seen Arma as a sim "you play your way", so to me DAYZ is just another mod to add some spice to the game.

I'm not here as much of a Zombie fan as I appreciate you chaps are, so I understand your reticance to alter the game from *your way* of playing.

We also play minecraft differently, im a modded solo kind of chap.

But, dont exclude me because I cant conform to your way and nor you mine.

IF dayz became a dedicated 3rd person mod for eg, if I couldnt remod it back to 1st I would stop playing. Again each to their own.

Im not trying to be conflicting but you chaps wanted to know, so Im giving my reasons.

Rgds

LoK

[DayZPvP.com 143]

There is a PvE Co-op zombie mod for ArmA 2 already. It has been out longer than DayZ and might have what you are looking for.

[Dingus (DayZ) 429]

why can't we have a choice? :(

There are choices. Why does it have to happen to this mod, this game? There are multitudes of coop zombie killing games. Day Z SP is just an incredibly slow one of those.

[OrLoK 16185]

Good points Whattteva,

So your saying if both exsisted then the PvE'ers (or all players) would just log onto a PvP game and lose all their stuff and start the cycle again? Promoting Server hoppers, Banditry and this would, I wonder prolong the shelf life of the Mod? (even with the future updates and final release)

Bit of a vicious circle really then eh?

Nope thats not what Im saying :)

rgds

LoK