Realistic idea: Cherno/Elektro Deathmatch servers for the cod kids?

[Gruelius 16]

What i would like to see are servers disconnected from hive, with a sandbag wall around cherno+elektro & outskirts and more weapon spawns for players who just want a deathmatch game, and play dayz like a deathmatch game.

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then again where do i get off on thinking that its "bad" for people to use dayz as a simple deathmatch game. usually the players in cherno/elektro are new anyway so it doesnt matter, and its completely possible to get good loot in towns outside these cities... But its just that i have such a good time interacting with survivors in cities, or having to thwart/deal with/die from REAL bandits/murderers and i feel its a shame that people who want to get their DM kicks rewen the experience of Dayz in towns like Cherno/Elektro.

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Seeing as half of the Cherno/Elektro cod kids just like to stay there because they cant get kills elsewhere or enjoy the constant combat/walking innocents, could it be considered that servers are setup where everyone spawns around cherno&Elektro + outskirts, its sandbagged in, there are more weapon spawns and people can just fight it out like a CS deathmatch server? Have them off the hive so people can just join if they want to do some fragging.

INB4 carebear, i enjoy PvP combat, ive killed many players for survival, for banditry and i have been killed many times before, I never DC and i usually get my kills with smart tactics or patience in the northern areas. If PvP were disabled i would find this game boring as there would be no threat at all.

I just dont like it when you cant try and play the game rationally because there are HURDDURRS playing for the lulz or who just want to play a really awesome version of CS (if there were DM servers id play them too..). also getting killed right when you spawn sucks if spawning is a 5-10min wait (not bitching about the wait just pointing out getting killed on spawn sucks)

Anyway what do you guys think? I know that trolls and griefers by nature would stay on regular servers for peoples tears (i dont get it) but would make the dayz experience more of a zombie apocalypse survival game than a realistic COD like simulator

Sure its completely against the motto of Dayz, but id say people trolling or just running through cherno for an enfield then killing as much as possible/trolling/rinse/repeat*1000 is more against the spirit of dayz.

p.s. i saw two similar threads

http://dayzmod.com/f...tch#entry221133

http://dayzmod.com/f..._hl__deathmatch

both unrealistic if you ask me. All this needs is a modified server side change to spawn sandbags in certain spots and change the loot tables for the area.

Edited July 17, 2012 by Gruelius

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

It already exists in the main game :)

[Steve McAwesome 6]

naw, wouldn't really have much of an effect because 'cod kiddies' would just troll the normal servers where you 'aren't supposed' to deathmatch. Nothing would change. not to mention people would be server hopping like a mofo after getting all the 'good loot' from the deathmatch servers. your hearts in the right place but just not a very well thought out idea.

Also, I don't see how this would be a better version of counterstrike. Are you serious? If I wanted deathmatch I would play literally any other shooter on the planet before i'd play a dayz deathmatch. That's be like buying little big planet 2 and a move controller just to play that stupid peggle level instead of, you know....PLAYING PEGGLE INSTEAD.

/rant over.

Edited July 17, 2012 by Steve McAwesome

[Sumdum 29]

INB4 carebear

Whew, squeaked in with that initial post lol But anyways, this might be a wokring idea if the dev team had any interest in it. Unfortunately you're basically asking them to create a new game mode before they even get a working start point ;)

[ApeToe 3]

I'd rather see all of the people from Australia spawn on an island and be forced to swim to the main land.

[Gruelius 16]

I'd rather see all of the people from Australia spawn on an island and be forced to swim to the main land.

hahahaha

Whew, squeaked in with that initial post lol But anyways, this might be a wokring idea if the dev team had any interest in it. Unfortunately you're basically asking them to create a new game mode before they even get a working start point ;)

I wouldnt say its a new game mode. id say its just spawning a shitload of sandbags and changing the loot tables for the area, which could be done server side. shit they could even have someone just place them manually lol, just get someone to place the sandbags themselves and then take a snapshot of the map. restart server every 3 hours and reload the snapshot.

naw, wouldn't really have much of an effect because 'cod kiddies' would just troll the normal servers where you 'aren't supposed' to deathmatch. Nothing would change. not to mention people would be server hopping like a mofo after getting all the 'good loot' from the deathmatch servers. your hearts in the right place but just not a very well thought out idea.

wouldnt say that they arent supposed to deathmatch on regular servers, id say that for what they want to do (play deathmatch) they would have more fun/kills on a deathmatch server. If i wanted to play DM, id rather go on a server with quick spawns (no hive communication time), lots of weapons (dont have to spend 30 mins finding one) and lots of other players to kill.

And i said that the servers should be disconnected from the hive. no data will come to or from the DB, so no issue with serverhopping.

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

naw, wouldn't really have much of an effect because 'cod kiddies' would just troll the normal servers where you 'aren't supposed' to deathmatch. Nothing would change. not to mention people would be server hopping like a mofo after getting all the 'good loot' from the deathmatch servers. your hearts in the right place but just not a very well thought out idea.

Also, I don't see how this would be a better version of counterstrike. Are you serious? If I wanted deathmatch I would play literally any other shooter on the planet before i'd play a dayz deathmatch. That's be like buying little big planet 2 and a move controller just to play that stupid peggle level instead of, you know....PLAYING PEGGLE INSTEAD.

/rant over.

The "point" of pure deathmatching in DayZ is basically a mix of trolling and simply having it easy. I do not see any way to separate the occasional killing for stuff/fun and the systematical DMing for the lulz.

For me it's okay to ruin someone's day every now and then, even if there was no reasons. It's a distraction mixed with a little bit of cruelty. But just DMing in cherno because you can? that's dumb.

It's exactly the same issue you have on "GMOD RP" servers where some peoples just connect to mess with you, and once you start having "rules of engagement" everyone start taking advantage of it, playing victim.

Edited July 17, 2012 by Lady Kyrah

[ZedsDeadBaby 2287]

i enjoy PvP combat, ive killed many players for survival, for banditry and i have been killed many times before, I never DC and i usually get my kills with smart tactics or patience in the northern areas. If PvP were disabled i would find this game boring as there would be no threat at all.

Oh, look. This thread again. The classic "My reasons for killing are acceptable and laudable and honorable and your reasons for killing are childish and mindless and immature."

Ridiculous hogwash.

Killing for survival doesn't exist. Food, water and medical supplies are plentiful and there are always safer, more reliable means to acquire them than killing.

Killing in self-defense is okay, right? But defense requires offense. Someone has to attack you first, so self-defense is predicated upon the existence of people who just kill for sport.

Your reasons for killing are no different than theirs.

In a word: fun.

Just because you use different tactics and do it on the north side of the map instead of the south side doesn't make you a better person.

Now carefully slide down off that high horse (try not to break a leg) and get back in the game so this asinine waste of a thread can die.

Edited July 17, 2012 by ZedsDeadBaby

[KWilt 157]

Why not buy your own server and set this up?

Or, y'know, just play a different ARMA II mod with zombies with a map built in Cherno/Electro.

Unless you're just too lazy. Understandable, I suppose.

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Sure its completely against the motto of Dayz

Hey! Didn't read that! Looks like you already realize this is a stupid idea!

Edited July 17, 2012 by KWilt

[Guest]

its a sandbox mod , you need to find a way around those killing you by yourself without implementing game ruining features...

[Gruelius 16]

Why not buy your own server and set this up?

Or, y'know, just play a different ARMA II mod with zombies with a map built in Cherno/Electro.

Unless you're just too lazy. Understandable, I suppose.

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Hey! Didn't read that! Looks like you already realize this is a stupid idea!

Id do that but i dont know how to.

and thanks for the selective quoting... if you put in the whole sentence you would see that i think that people abusing game mechanics to grief is against the promoted Dayz idea.

Oh, look. This thread again. The classic "My reasons for killing are acceptable and laudable and honorable and your reasons for killing are childish and mindless and immature."

Ridiculous hogwash.

Killing for survival doesn't exist. Food, water and medical supplies are plentiful and there are always safer, more reliable means to acquire them than killing.

Killing in self-defense is okay, right? But defense requires offense. Someone has to attack you first, so self-defense is predicated upon the existence of people who just kill for sport.

Your reasons for killing are no different than theirs.

In a word: fun.

Just because you use different tactics and do it on the north side of the map instead of the south side doesn't make you a better person.

Now carefully slide down off that high horse (try not to break a leg) and get back in the game so this asinine waste of a thread can die.

Ive never killed for fun, id say the adrenaline rush is exhilarating but i usually feel bad. but its more because im scared and i dont want to take risks, but i often friend survivors, especially if they are unarmed or have a poorer weapon/i got the jump on them and sus them out over direct chat.

Survival kills:

Couldnt find shit, had no sidarm, 3 leeroy enfield rounds no food/water and was hungry/thirsty and some noob with a flashlight on in a field did (or at least i had assumed ((and rightfully so)).

At top of Zug and i hear enfield shots, another player comes into the building, soon as he comes to second level i kill him. He didnt intentionally show agression to me but i was scared and 1 hit from the enfield if i let my guard down would be all thats needed so i made a decision to kill him.

Banditry:

Killed a guy in shop, i wanted toolbox/compass, he didnt have either

Killed a guy at balota, he had an AK, i wanted it for a friend

Killed a guy that made a shitload of noise near a chopper, he had a DMR mag weapon and i wanted one as a backup rifle

then there are others that were grey area, maybe anothe 10 ive forgotten, but ive never gone looking for players to kill for fun and thrown caution to the wind cause its easy to spawn in cherno just keep respawning then find a enfield for lulz. But the threat of PVP and permadeath is quite fun, having to weigh risks and make decisions that could end up in you dying.

Edited July 17, 2012 by Gruelius

[Gruelius 16]

its a sandbox mod , you need to find a way around those killing you by yourself without implementing game ruining features...

nothing is being implemented to game mechanics, just a few seperate servers would be setup for people that just want to play a deathmatch style game with zombies.

then again i guess you are right, sandbox games have no rules. if people want to abuse people on direct chat they can, if people want to grief new players sitting on the spawn line of coast with the m240 they can, if people dont give a crap about dying and just want to kill as much as possible they can (which kind of rewens the survival aspect if you ask me as you have unlimited lives).

Just the thing that really brought me to dayz was someone told me its a real life apocylapse simulator, and i found this partially to be true, ive never gotten adrenaline rushes in games, ive never felt bad about killing people or even had to think about whether i want to do that to someone in games before either. But the one thing that didnt stick true to the "real life" aspect was the abundance of rude players/exploiters that were just respawning and trying to rack up as many murders as possible.

then again thats just a carebear rant, as in real life there would be someone in the clocktower with a rifle and a bunch of mags. but not 25% of the population. and if they died they wouldnt be coming back..

Edited July 17, 2012 by Gruelius

[KWilt 157]

Id do that but i dont know how to.

and thanks for the selective quoting... if you put in the whole sentence you would see that i think that people abusing game mechanics to grief is against the promoted Dayz idea.

D'aww. "I can't do a Google search, so I have to rely on rocket to change the mod to my favor!" Way to go, skippy.

And selective quoting or not, you acknowledge that it's completely against the motto of DayZ. If you think that doesn't instantly disqualify your idea, then I'd really like for you to sign my petition to put CryNet suits into the mod. I think they'd make it a touch more enjoyable for my playstyle. And since you support changing gametypes for some people, I expect you to just as readily comply with my idea.

Edited July 17, 2012 by KWilt

[Gruelius 16]

D'aww. "I can't do a Google search, so I have to rely on rocket to change the mod to my favor!" Way to go, skippy.

its the suggestion thread? make suggestions? im not a programmer, ive got an idea, ive suggested it?

And ive run into a funny ingame psychopath, he kept on stalking us in the school, i didnt mind even though he killed us.

But the 3 guys shooting at me and a friend (and other players after we watched from the forest) as we spawned with enfields for lulz i dont enjoy.

maybe im just grumpy because i ran into exploiters and dcers just farming cherno for noob kills.. but i still think that the idea would be worth entertaining...

Also what does myself being Australian have to do with this? I appreciate your inputs but how about you try keep it on topic and related to the suggestion not my ability to make my own server and customise it myself...

And selective quoting or not, you acknowledge that it's completely against the motto of DayZ.

ask rocket if people using exploits and just abuisng the fact that you can die as much as you want to troll/grief other players/play his apocylpse game like a simple deathmatch game is in the spirit of dayz

Edited July 17, 2012 by Gruelius

[The_Monk 320]

I'd rather see all of the people from Australia spawn on an island and be forced to swim to the main land.

Fuck that, point me in the direction of the island and I'll swim there.

[Gruelius 16]

at the Aussie island we have good beer and hot wimmenz, but you will have to listen to my dayz suggestions. let me know if you want the map coords

[enforcer1975 1111]

They could just play any other DM mission from ArmA 2 instead of annoying other players.

[KWilt 157]

its the suggestion thread? make suggestions? im not a programmer, ive got an idea, ive suggested it?

And ive run into a funny ingame psychopath, he kept on stalking us in the school, i didnt mind even though he killed us.

But the 3 guys shooting at me and a friend (and other players after we watched from the forest) as we spawned with enfields for lulz i dont enjoy.

maybe im just grumpy because i ran into exploiters and dcers just farming cherno for noob kills.. but i still think that the idea would be worth entertaining...

ask rocket if people using exploits and just abuisng the fact that you can die as much as you want to troll/grief other players/play his apocylpse game like a simple deathmatch game is in the spirit of dayz

So, again, you're QQing.

What will stop these people from just playing the regular servers to troll you anyways? You think they're all going to say 'oh, I'm done fucking with these people, let's go play a COD-esque gametype'? Fuck no. If they were going to do that, don't you think they'd... oh... go back to Call of Duty in the first place?

The idea isn't worth entertaining, because it solves nothing. If people want to troll, then they'll troll. If you don't like dying, then kill the fucker shooting at you first. All you're pretty much asking for is for rocket to take time out of the development of the mod, to try and get people to play Call of Duty in ARMA II, when they could just as easily just go play Call of Duty and rocket doesn't have to waste one second.

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And because I'm fucking confused, I'm going to address this separately:

Also what does myself being Australian have to do with this? I appreciate your inputs but how about you try keep it on topic and related to the suggestion not my ability to make my own server and customise it myself...

What. The fuck. Are you talking about. I never said anything about you being Australian. Unless 'skippy' is now an Australian term. In which case, I didn't even know.

[Gruelius 16]

yeah skip is slang for australian, if you didnt intend it thats fine.

I keep on putting it down because groups i have played in said hey lets go cherno and kill noobs with military spec weapons, that shit wouldnt happen in a real life scenario. if they had a DM server to do stuff like that on then itd be cool.

Good point about shooting the fucker first. but how will my hatchet or markov stop M67 frag nades, or m240 rounds, or DMR rounds?

Anyway this isnt going anywhere, you feel that we shouldnt make a special area for people that dont want to play this seriously (considering death as a constraint) and I dont like that people arent taking it seriously and just want to hop on dayz for killing sessions in cherno/elektro. And yes trolls cant be stopped but half the trolls just playing DM would be better no?

My reason for this whole thread is this

I am bummed about it, because i get the best survivor/genuine bandit interaction in the cities, and it sucks when people are rewening it by playing deathmatch for lulz.

Edited July 17, 2012 by Gruelius

[Guest]

Good point about shooting the fucker first. but how will my hatchet or markov stop M67 frag nades, or m240 rounds, or DMR rounds?

My reason for this whole thread is this

I am bummed about it, because i get the best survivor/genuine bandit interaction in the cities, and it sucks when people are rewening it by playing deathmatch for lulz.

Use your imagination like anybody with a brain would.

[Gruelius 16]

Use your imagination like anybody with a brain would.

i spawned then i died straight away, how can you imagine away a 303 round?

[Lukio (DayZ) 24]

The next release of <generic shooter name> will solve this problem. Otherwise there never will be a way to entirely remove people who kill other characters just for fun. The only way would be to remove PVP or set some kind of duelling / PVP flags (WoW Style). But I'm sure this is not a good solution.

[Guest]

i spawned then i died straight away, how can you imagine away a 303 round?

woah...i dunno , maybe hit respawn until you end up somewhere else?

change server?

call in a buddy?

[Madfast 22]

It's is called Arma 2. If you want zombies as well there are plenty of community mods, there are even celery zombies which don't require any additional mods. People seem to forget that when they made there purchase of Arma 2: CO they were not just getting a platform to run DayZ, but a massive game in its own right with a large community and wide variety of other existing mods.

[Gruelius 16]

The next release of <generic shooter name> will solve this problem. Otherwise there never will be a way to entirely remove people who kill other characters just for fun. The only way would be to remove PVP or set some kind of duelling / PVP flags (WoW Style). But I'm sure this is not a good solution.

nah of course i wouldnt want that, wouldnt want anything changed in the "actual" dayz servers, only thing i would like is people that just play it for a deathmatch to be incenticised to go elsewhere and let the people that actually want to play dayz to the fullest enjoy it.

ive ran into a deathmatch player that i would think of being worthy though, he took on the persona of a cannibal and kept on stalking us in direct chat which was freaky as! he killed one of us and I got killed by a hacker, but i think i would ahve got him.

but That ^ person playing as a psycopath is different to the guys that just go around racking up kills and not caring if they die for the sole reason its fun to shoot people in dayz.

then again where do i get off on thinking that its wrong for people to use dayz as a simple deathmatch game. usually the players in cherno/elektro are new anyway so it doesnt matter, and its completely possible to get good loot in towns outside these cities... But its just that i have such a good time interacting with survivors in cities, or having to thwart/deal with/die from REAL bandits/murderers (as above) and i feel its a shame that people who want to get their DM kicks rewen it.