Respawn Timer

[Chefmoto1 0]

First of all, I'd like to thank Rocket for developing this awesome mod and for all the work he's put into it. I also realize the mod is still in alpha and I'm grateful that we're allowed to participate in the development of Day Z.

Now, I've noticed all the outcry about the incessant PvP and I have to agree that it can be excessive. I understand Rocket's vision is for the player's to make their own decisions, but in order for this mod to continue being as realistic as possible, PvP needs to have less reward. In a true apocalyptic scenario, everyone would simply not transform into shoot on site savages and avoid other humans at all costs. I believe cooperation of all sorts should be encouraged over outright player killing.

My suggestion is fairly simple: a respawn timer. Now, I haven't even fully thought this through, and I don't know how long it should be, but it could easily help cut down on riskier behaviors that people would avoid in real life, or would be much more careful about. It would also eliminate some of the pure death matching that goes on, as it would stop players being killed, respawning multiple times until they're close to their camp, and then hoofing it back to their tent/body to recover their gear.

I realize this isn't the be all and end all fix for the death matching, but it could definitely encourage players to adopt a more careful play style and even possibly help with cooperation between players due to "safety in numbers." A respawn timer paired with some sort of humanity system could bring this game much closer towards being a zombie apocalypse survival game, rather than a FPS/Death match/Kill players for uber leet weapons game.

Discuss, and let's please keep it civil.

Edited July 17, 2012 by Chefmoto1

[Cyric (DayZ) 254]

How exactly would a respawn timer discourage me from shooting some poor sap in the face?

[KnT47r 51]

I think there should be a respawn timer for people who make redundant posts about fixing the state of PvP in this game

Edited July 17, 2012 by KnT47r

[Chefmoto1 0]

It wouldn't. But it would discourage player killing as a whole in general, if people are more afraid of dying, then one would think they'd like to avoid risky and dangerous behaviors. Not to mention it could completely cut down on respawning until you have a perfect spawn. It's obviously not a perfect suggestion, just something that popped into mind and I thought would be purely beneficial to the gameplay without any true downside.

This was actually my first post in the forums, and I thought it was just a helpful suggestion for the SUGGESTION forum. If you've got nothing helpful to say, don't waste space posting it.

[KnT47r 51]

Don't waste space posting it.

So much irony.

Have a read of this brohan;

Please read this BEFORE posting by Oktyabr

Edited July 17, 2012 by KnT47r

[Chefmoto1 0]

So much irony.

Have a read of this brohan;

Please read this BEFORE posting by Oktyabr

I searched and found nothing explicitly mentioning a player respawn timer. Perhaps you should take at look a this one though:

Replies to suggestions are good! This is how an idea changes, grows, and improves. With the thoughts and suggestions made by others. But for it to belong here it needs to stay ON TOPIC. If you don't know what that means you probably shouldn't post.

Anyways, let's try to stay on topic.

Edited July 17, 2012 by Chefmoto1

[Quaby 93]

GOD

FUCKING

DAMN IT.

I THOUGHT MY SIGNATURE WOULD HELP! GOD KNOWS I TRIED! GOODBYE CRUEL WORLD...*BANG!*

DO NOT POST ABOUT THIS SHIT.

[Quaby 93]

I searched and found nothing explicitly mentioning a player respawn timer. Perhaps you should take at look a this one though:

Anyways, let's try to stay on topic.

I distinctly remember someone posting this identical idea --.-- Basically, if you are trying to discourage PvP, it has been said. A lot.

[Chefmoto1 0]

Well I searched. My apologies if it's already been beaten to death. No point in getting so bent out of shape over it. It's a post in an online forum with a suggestion pertaining to a free mod.

[Ywain 16]

PvP should be a calculated risk. Dying and respawning over and over while your friend watches your corpse so you can retrieve doesn't seem to be in the spirit of the game. It's not a roguelike if you can recover all your shit that easily, after all.

Furthermore, the shooting for the lulz bullshit does need to go. This is mainly due to a lack of things to do moreso than a desire to just grief, though.

I don't know if a respawn timer is an accurate response to either of these problems, honestly. You could solve #1 by not allowing players to loot their own corpses (I don't even fucking know why this hasn't been implemented) and you could solve #2 by making survival more difficult and having more things to do once you're decked out in military gear (which takes about an hour for an experienced player given the ridiculous military loot spawn rate at the current moment.)

[Reapers Pr0digy 1]

I agree that PvP needs to be severely reduced. Often times a player has to be significantly more afraid of other players than actual zombies. It's getting a bit ridiculous.

Not allowing players to loot their own bodies is a great idea. A respawn timer would at least force people to deal with their spawn location.

[Chefmoto1 0]

#1 by not allowing players to loot their own corpses (I don't even fucking know why this hasn't been implemented) and you could solve #2 by making survival more difficult and having more things to do once you're decked out in military gear (which takes about an hour for an experienced player given the ridiculous military loot spawn rate at the current moment.)

I like both those ideas. I still feel like a respawn timer would be something beneficial to the realistic feel of the game. Deal with your respawn point like a man, and stop killing yourself constantly to get that 'perfect' spawn.

[Ywain 16]

I agree that PvP needs to be severely reduced. Often times a player has to be significantly more afraid of other players than actual zombies. It's getting a bit ridiculous.

Not allowing players to loot their own bodies is a great idea. A respawn timer would at least force people to deal with their spawn location.

Well no shit a player should be scared of other players more than zombies. People are a lot more dangerous than zombies. My issue is with why people are PvPing, rather than the fact they're PvPing. Treating this game as a shooter FFA where the objective is to rack up as much as kills as possible is silly.

[Cyric (DayZ) 254]

It wouldn't. But it would discourage player killing as a whole in general, if people are more afraid of dying, then one would think they'd like to avoid risky and dangerous behaviors. Not to mention it could completely cut down on respawning until you have a perfect spawn. It's obviously not a perfect suggestion, just something that popped into mind and I thought would be purely beneficial to the gameplay without any true downside.

First and foremost, a respawn timer wouldn't convince me not to kill someone and I'd bet money a lot of other people feel the same way. Most games these days have a respawn timer, so it's not a big deal to wait a few minutes... anything longer than that would be strongly opposed by the community, I'd imagine.

This was actually my first post in the forums, and I thought it was just a helpful suggestion for the SUGGESTION forum. If you've got nothing helpful to say, don't waste space posting it.

Secondly, get the sand out of your vagina. I asked you to further elaborate on your idea, it's a public forum, what did you think was going to happen? We were all just gonna fanboi the shit out of your post? OMG DIZ EYEDEA IS SO AWSUM DOOD! Get real. If you can't elaborate or defend your idea, it clearly isn't worth the space YOU wasted posting it.

Stick your head in a bear trap.

Edited July 17, 2012 by Cyric

[Chefmoto1 0]

First and foremost, a respawn timer wouldn't convince me not to kill someone and I'd bet money a lot of other people feel the same way. Most games these days have a respawn timer, so it's not a big deal to wait a few minutes... anything longer than that would be strongly opposed by the community, I'd imagine.

Secondly, get the sand out of your vagina. I asked you to further elaborate on your idea, it's a public forum, what did you think was going to happen? We were all just gonna fanboi the shit out of your post? OMG DIZ EYEDEA IS SO AWSUM DOOD! Get real. If you can't elaborate or defend your idea, it clearly isn't worth the space YOU wasted posting it.

Stick your head in a bear trap.

Dude. That post wasn't even directed at you. It was posted in response to the guy with the weird name who had absolutely nothing to contribute to the thread. I didn't expect anyone to "fanboi the shit out of my post," I even said I hadn't thought it all through and was open to hearing criticism towards it. Good god. This entire forum needs to get the sand out of their vagina, there's no reason we can't have a civil and rational discussion about it.

Edited July 17, 2012 by Chefmoto1

[Reapers Pr0digy 1]

I believe you're missing the point. His suggestion was intended to make a player rethink getting in a dangerous situation such as a firefight with another player.

[fatal (DayZ) 13]

I'm not sure why people dislike the amount of pvp in the game. Surviving is both boring and very easy. I did it for 20 days without killing anyone. Got so boring that I killed my own character and went to elektro for the sole purpose of killing anyone and everyone I could find. The group I regularly play with agreed and did the same. Zombies do not keep me on my toes.....other players do, I support mass pvp.

[Cyric (DayZ) 254]

Dude. That post wasn't even directed at you. It was posted in response to the guy with the weird name who had absolutely nothing to contribute to the thread. I didn't expect anyone to "fanboi the shit out of my post," I even said I hadn't thought it all through and was open to hearing criticism towards it. Good god. This entire forum needs to get the sand out of their vagina, there's no reason we can't have a civil and rational discussion about it.

Well then that's my bad, I mistakenly thought that was directed at me. Was wondering why you were so hostile over a simple question, lol. Regardless, I don't think a respawn timer is enough to curb mass murder in the game. The big issue is that a video game doesn't carry the same consequences as real life. While things would definitely go straight to hell in a true apocalypse and murder would be far more prevalent, a good amount of people wouldn't shoot others on sight. That being said, another good amount of people probably would... hence the whole bandit mentality. Of course, being a video game, people do enjoy the stats in their debug monitor. Maybe a better idea would be to just remove the debug monitor and see how that affects the current deathmatch mentality.

EDIT:

I'm not sure why people dislike the amount of pvp in the game. Surviving is both boring and very easy. I did it for 20 days without killing anyone. Got so boring that I killed my own character and went to elektro for the sole purpose of killing anyone and everyone I could find. The group I regularly play with agreed and did the same. Zombies do not keep me on my toes.....other players do, I support mass pvp.

My squad and I store all our good gear at camp and just go guerrilla warfare in Cherno and Elektro because, as you said, zombies aren't much of a threat or thrill in their current incarnation.

Edited July 17, 2012 by Cyric

[Ywain 16]

I'm not sure why people dislike the amount of pvp in the game. Surviving is both boring and very easy. I did it for 20 days without killing anyone. Got so boring that I killed my own character and went to elektro for the sole purpose of killing anyone and everyone I could find. The group I regularly play with agreed and did the same. Zombies do not keep me on my toes.....other players do, I support mass pvp.

And you don't see anything ironic about that statement?

The fact that survival is easy in a survival-oriented game?

Edited July 17, 2012 by Ywain

[Quaby 93]

I agree that PvP needs to be severely reduced. Often times a player has to be significantly more afraid of other players than actual zombies. It's getting a bit ridiculous.

Not allowing players to loot their own bodies is a great idea. A respawn timer would at least force people to deal with their spawn location.

"I intended for the primary danger to come from other people."-Rocket

[cyanyde 165]

Can you guys please stop being dicks to the guy ffs?

I'm sick of people having this retarded and childish attitude towards everyone that posts something they don't like.

If you don't like the idea, say why. If you're just posting to be a dickhead. Don't!

We've got a kick ass mod and a kick ass community, but there's always got to be the odd douche-bag who makes the rest of the community look like a bunch of assholes.. seriously. Like Bill and Ted said, be excellent to eachother. If you don't I'll find you in-game and shoot you in the face.

Anyway, back on topic now. Had to get out my little rant. ;)

I have to say I'm not a fan of the idea.. the thing is, the person who dies is usually the one who hesitated or simply didn't shoot.

A spawn timer would punish the poor sod that just got killed for trying to be friendly, not the pvp'er/bandit who killed him.

It's understandable why people get so up in arms when things like this are brought up, it's usually the kiddies who go around killing innocent players who moan and complain when somebody tries to mention punishments though..

Anyway, welcome to the forums, Chefmoto1, don't let a few bad apples spoil the whole damn bunch. ;)

[Chefmoto1 0]

Can you guys please stop being dicks to the guy ffs?

I'm sick of people having this retarded and childish attitude towards everyone that posts something they don't like.

If you don't like the idea, say why. If you're just posting to be a dickhead. Don't!

We've got a kick ass mod and a kick ass community, but there's always got to be the odd douche-bag who makes the rest of the community look like a bunch of assholes.. seriously. Like Bill and Ted said, be excellent to eachother. If you don't I'll find you in-game and shoot you in the face.

Anyway, back on topic now. Had to get out my little rant. ;)

I have to say I'm not a fan of the idea.. the thing is, the person who dies is usually the one who hesitated or simply didn't shoot.

A spawn timer would punish the poor sod that just got killed for trying to be friendly, not the pvp'er/bandit who killed him.

It's understandable why people get so up in arms when things like this are brought up, it's usually the kiddies who go around killing innocent players who moan and complain when somebody tries to mention punishments though..

Anyway, welcome to the forums, Chefmoto1, don't let a few bad apples spoil the whole damn bunch. ;)

Thank you. I appreciate the feedback. True, I can see how this could end up only punishing the player who didn't shoot on sight. I'd still like to see it implemented where at least it could reduce on respawn whoring though.