[Video] Alt-F4 and Ghosts

[Alpo 38]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PD8ZQxMA_k

Got a bit tired of hombres DCing so I started recording with Fraps.

Honestly I don't really care if people DC - it makes them a wuss in my eyes but that is their own problem. What I find very repulsive are people who quickly move to different server so that they can fix themselves up, and then relocate to a better spot in order to kill me . At least I think that is what happened here. And it was not the first time. Just the first time I have it on vid and I think it is pretty hillarious.

I feel like I failed in the end but all I really wanted was to get this low-life ghoster and his buddy.

What would you have done in this situation?

How can I improve in the future so I don't get destroyed like this when I had initiative?

I understand the dude was probably cheating/ghosting but I am still not happy with my performance I think my positioning was terrible.

Sadly I can't even blame it on bad audio because my headset is great.

I was at that particular location for the first time so I did not know the surroundings aside from how it looked on the map. Still, after watching this I was quiet disappointed at how poorly I adapted to the changing dynamics.

The guy who Alt-F4ed was sneaking right behind the wall, and I verbally shared my thoughts about his "strategy" with him over comms - unfortunately I noticed later on that I was in global chat - not direct chat so he most likely didn't hear my calm voice and the wisely chosen words that I threw at him just before he blew my brains out.

Question: Should I just disconnect myself when I suspect someone is going to try to ghost me?

Honestly, when that first bullet whizzed by my ear I was thinking about it because omg so unfairz blahblah but then I pulled myself together and just wanted to go kill this sob.

Meh no cigar for today unfortunately, but one of the next times eventually...

I hope Rocket and his crew find a solution to this problem in the near future. I absolutely love this game but playing against those kind of people a large portion of the time is just not very satisfying.

Edited July 14, 2012 by Alpo

[Venzire 76]

Why'd you reload?!? NOOO NOO NOO!! You had plenty of ammunition just double tab them he wouldn't of had time to alt+f4 then.

[stasson 1]

noob :D

[Jackftw 310]

Why'd you reload?!? NOOO NOO NOO!! You had plenty of ammunition just double tab them he wouldn't of had time to alt+f4 then.

I honestly don't understand why people think this is CoD, and feel the need to reload after they use ONE freaking round.

@ 10:28 you were going to log too! hahahahahaha, admit it. If you didn't have fraps running you would've been out of there in 0.001 seconds flat.

Edited July 14, 2012 by Jackftw

[SqTH 260]

DAmn you're slow at aiming

[Alpo 38]

I honestly don't understand why people think this is CoD, and feel the need to reload after they use ONE freaking round.

@ 10:28 you were going to log too! hahahahahaha, admit it. If you didn't have fraps running you would've been out of there in 0.001 seconds flat.

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Yes I was thinking about it. I wrote that in opening post:

Honestly, when that first bullet whizzed by my ear I was thinking about it because omg so unfairz blahblah but then I pulled myself together and just wanted to go kill this sob.

Meh no cigar for today unfortunately, but one of the next times eventually...

The only reason I would ever DC is if I think I am being cheated/ghosted. This was close and the reason I stayed in had nothing to do with me recording. It was me telling myself to not be like them even though I think DCing would have been ok in my case. I just wanted to go kill the bastard. So I am not sure what is so funny.

I have never DCd out of combat in this game. Not even when out in the field alone getting eaten by zeds I die like a man and start over.

I have never been into the cod franchise tbh I come from TF2 and BF background but the reload was dumb I know but I am a noob and I thought I dropped him. And it was only the second guy I killed in this game despite having logged quiet a few nights and days ;)

DAmn you're slow at aiming

So that's it? I died because I am slow at aiming/suck? We shall compare our aimspeed once you reach 35 years of age, and we will see if you still have the same PC game reflexes.

Another thing to consider is that when I record with Fraps I get 15-20 fps. have you ever tried pulling off flickshots with 15-20 fps and different sensitivities along horizontal and vertical mouse movements?

noob :D

Ok then, thank you for your help. and your kind suggestions.

Why'd you reload?!? NOOO NOO NOO!! You had plenty of ammunition just double tab them he wouldn't of had time to alt+f4 then.

From now on I will empty the whole clip into them. I don't know why I reloaded. Stupid muscle-reflex from so much red orchestra bolt-action rifles. ;)

As much as I am thankful for your comments and your input I would really appreciate it if you can help me out and tell me what to do better. I know I suck at this game but really you have to tell me in every post?

/edit

Edited July 14, 2012 by Alpo

[Jonesy (DayZ) 29]

You did fine man, it's just cheating fags like that spoiling the game for you and everyone else that likes to play properly. Nothing more you could do in my opinion, you sneaked up on the guy and he disconnected. Simple as.

[LT.Sacred 9]

idk why people are hating on you -.-

Should be hating on the cheaters.

[ih8 56]

had a newbie dc'er sniping on top of elektro hospital today - once they realized someone had the higher ground on him and couldn't get down they left

[daedrick 90]

Im totally with you OP, you did great, aslo nice video, but as other people said, best way to counter people aborting is to unload your mag into them before they have time to react, I always make sure they are dead, and If I can hit, I will keep firing until Im sure the guy is down and can't escape death. Its easy to find a full mag of whatever weapon you are using, its harder to find the whole equipements tough when you die. Its worth the mag imo. Next time, unload 3-5 lee enfield bullet in him. Also, never EVER reload unless your gun is completly empty, and if you only have 1 left, just shoot it off, and reload.

[Alpo 38]

Thanks daedrick

From now on I will empty the whole clip.

Lesson learned and promptly applied a few hours ago but the guy still somehow managed to DC on me after I smashed him down with the hatchet multiple times.

I also met a super creepy stalker-type person today and played along to see what he ends up doing.

You will not be disappointed if you like to see people suffer in first person view ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXUOPJDzPzc

[zipper 69]

Very fishy stuff happening? You got shot from the tree line in the distance. You heard a guy crawling right on the other side of the wall from you. There was only 1 person that dc'd. 1 person disconnecting and you dying afterwards doesn't make it fishy stuff. Yes it was lame that he disconnected. But you got shot at inside a building that offered you protection, and then you ran out into the open afterwards and died. There isn't anything fishy about that. It should have been obvious that there was more than 1 person there, especially since there were two different types of gunshots you heard before you even engaged the disconnector.

Edited July 15, 2012 by Zipper -82ndAB-

[Alpo 38]

Zipper,

Sometimes what is obvious to a person who has played the game for weeks is completely invisible to a player who has just picked up the game a few days ago.

See, I did not notice the different gunshots. I assumed the pitch changed because of me closing in on distance. But it's good advice I will pay more attention to that in the future. This is exactly what I was hoping for. Pointers to what I need to look for and how to get better at this game. So thanks for the good advice my friend.

I ran outside because I wanted to get a better angle on him and I did not want to stay inside a building with an Enfield as I have a better advantage over longer distances. I felt I had better way of avoiding detection or line of sight outside or behind the building. In hindsight it probably was a plan not well thought out and destined to fail.

I think the shot sounded way too close to be the guy standing at the treeline. No, I think I got shot by the other guy from the exact spot I shot him from previously.

This is where I disagree with you and say that the bullet that killed me was fired less then 10m away from the guy I heard moments earlier behind the wall.

I did not understand exactly what was going on aside from the disconnect and subsequent ghosting. That is what I mean with fishy. Also the DC and then being up against multiple people seemingly working together threw me off quiet a bit to be honest. I kinda thought the guy would just move on to a different server for a while and not risk being shot again. So i moved on which obviously turned out to be the wrong decision. What I plan to do in the future is to just gtfo as fast as possible and leave the hostile area behind me.

I did not intend to imply they were using 3rd party tools to do the aiming for them or to see through walls/pink textures etc. in case that was the reason for the slightly strict/angry note in your reply.

If that was my suspicion I would have filed a cheat report.

Edited July 15, 2012 by Alpo

[nusteh 2]

I watched the action portions twice. You handled yourself pretty well, probably better then myself.

However, I don't think anything fishy happened. I don't quite understand how d/c works, but you hit that guy at like 5m with an enfield. That has to be instant death. So unless your able to d/c and relog still alive, and I wouldnt be suprised if that could happen, I dont think this guy came back for you. The sounds on the other side of the wall were a patrolling zombie I am pretty sure of it.

The guy in the treeline was firing at you with either a DMR or M14. He could have been with the other guy maybe not doesnt really matter though. That factory is really easy to spot from a distance and if anyone is there they will see the zombies around. I know I would zero in on the area if I saw them.

Either way good job, im sure it was quite a rush.

[zipper 69]

I apologize, I didn't realize you were looking for advice. I just saw the thread title and watched the video and made an assumption.

I ran outside because I wanted to get a better angle on him and I did not want to stay inside a building with an Enfield as I have a better advantage over longer distances. I felt I had better way of avoiding detection or line of sight outside or behind the building. In hindsight it probably was a plan not well thought out and destined to fail.

The problem with your line of thought here is you had already been detected. You were shot at while you were inside the building. Not sure if you know or not but there are multiple floors you can access in the building you were in. You should have tried to use that to your advantage, even though you probably would have died anyway since the building is so exposed on the upper levels.

I think the shot sounded way too close to be the guy standing at the treeline. No, I think I got shot by the other guy from the exact spot I shot him from previously.

This is where I disagree with you and say that the bullet that killed me was fired less then 10m away from the guy I heard moments earlier behind the wall.

Rewatch the video. I'm sure you heard the gunshot after you died. If you had been right next to the person who killed you there would have been a gunshot as soon as you fell. This wasn't the case. The very first rifle you hear being fired (not the pistol) is the guy who killed you. He was in that tree line for what appears to be the entire time, providing overwatch.

I did not understand exactly what was going on aside from the disconnect and subsequent ghosting. That is what I mean with fishy. Also the DC and then being up against multiple people seemingly working together threw me off quiet a bit to be honest. I kinda thought the guy would just move on to a different server for a while and not risk being shot again. So i moved on which obviously turned out to be the wrong decision. What I plan to do in the future is to just gtfo as fast as possible and leave the hostile area behind me.

Not sure how you define ghosting but I don't think it would have been needed to kill you. You fired one of the loudest guns in the game at a person who was traveling in a group. It was done in a sealed area where your enemy was able to view all available exits. There were only two ways you would have lived, kill the remaining two or three people, or disconnect. You wouldn't have been able to run out of there alive.

I did not intend to imply they were using 3rd party tools to do the aiming for them or to see through walls/pink textures etc. in case that was the reason for the slightly strict/angry note in your reply.

If that was my suspicion I would have filed a cheat report.

I wasn't talking about hacking either. The first person you shot would have had to have been the luckiest person in the world to not have died. The Enfield will kill a man in one shot. So there was no relogging and magically appearing behind you from that guy. Basically what I'm saying is you should rename your video Alt+F4. There was no ghosting and nobody repositioned on you from a different server. My suggestion would be aim a little higher next time and don't even give the guy an opportunity to disconnect. I think your video started with you logging in right next to the building as well. You may want to run up and into the forrest next time. Disconnecting next to a building, or in one, is generally never a good idea. If you didn't start there then nevermind, it just sounded like you logged in and immediately started recording.

[Alpo 38]

Hey thanks for the good advice Zipper. No need to apologize I should have chosen a better description/title.

I wish I could change the thread title. But I will rename the video title as you suggested.

Going up stairs didn't even cross my mind at the time. But yes it would probably have been my best option.

In regards to the location of where the gunshots came from; I just watched the scene again a few times, and it seems they both shot almost simultaneously.

I could hear two shots - the second shot I hear just a split second after the loud bang is the guy I tried to aim at in the treeline. He is my killer according to you?

The very loud gunshot that I initially thought killed me came from my direct left. I am certain it was the guy who DC'd on me

(I believe he then switched server to crawl under that gap and try to get behind where he thought I was)

Well, at least he didn't get the kill. Makes me feel a bit better.

Nice observation. Again, I would not have noticed.

I still think he did the ghosting and whether it was needed to kill me or not I don't know. Probably not but that doesn't make it any more acceptable.

If we are perfectly strict one could define the act of disconnecting and then reconnecting a minute or two later as ghosting. He is essentially cheating to save his life and to get an unfair advantage over you.

When he logs back in after a while he expects you to have moved on or be otherwise distracted so he can get an easy unexpected and unfair kill.

I sometimes wonder, when did those people lose all their dignity?

In regards to the location of my spawn, yes I started recording immediately after connecting. I was disconnected earlier during nighttime by yellow chain on a different server. (I usually don't craw around walls on top of hills too much during daytime ;)) Usually try to find a safe concealed spot in the woods before logging out.