Why the core userbase of this forum sucks.

[MeatAbstract 47]

I agree with OP. I really like DayZ and the game industry certainly needs more people like Rocket but the users on this forum can be horrible, horrible people.

Yeah, yeah it's the internet, it's full of assholes but some of you people are no worse then MS/Sony/Nintendo/Apple fanboys. No criticism allowed.

[VLG Castiel 3]

^Supporting the OP 90%.

I dislike the vocal majority's blind agreement with every change made. I especially dislike the "Dude, it's an Alpha" comments on response to game mechanics in a civilized thread (what do you think the purpose of an Alpha is?).

However, this doesn't happen nearly as much in the suggestions forum - which is where most of these threads belong. Most people come here and complain about game mechanics overestimating their own importance, truth be told, these are the entitled gamers that trigger most of these responses.

If we're looking for a civilized discussion of game mechanics, problems and solutions, this should be the place.

Expect chaos anywhere else.

[opticalshadow 27]

I think a few reason exists for the hostility.

first off alot of peopel complain, but do not provide any form of solution for that, which doesnt help the design process, and infact stalls it, and leads into the next problem.

the forums get flooded with people doing this, tons of threads and posts exsist with complaints over some thign thats wrong, without a solution provided.

the statement, this is an alpha, applies to this. yes, "x" is broken needs fixing. so suggest a fix, or a revert or something that can be used in solution making. secondly, some players often assume that they shouldnt have to have these bugs, or that just because it wasnt broken before its unreasonable to break now. any time a designer must alter their code or files in any manner, it can have adverse effects, or effect beyond whats anticipated.

the other reason people tend to get hot and heavy is the above combined with pride. the hardcore group here thrives on teh challenge, on the current state of the game. when something is altered that they love they will be upset, and what makes it worse is when someone says that it was good/bad, and they dont agree with them. its like showing off a prized object you hold dear, and everyone telling you its terrible. to some people wanting something easier would take away what this game brings them no other does. for others, its inacceibility does the same thing. and people feel the need to protect these things they have.

the core of this userbase doesnt suck, its misdirected. their opionions are there, they have an idea what they want, they just need to restructure how they say it. instead of saying "x" is stupid now, or "y" is broken, instead just explain your viewpoint, instead of stateing it, keep an open mind.

[Penguinman401 2]

Those of us who want to make this game better (often referred to as carebears) give constructive criticism on the changes that are being made to this game.

The hardcore ultra skilled sniper elitez try to shoot down our opinions because they can't take the criticism to their precious little game. They have their collective mouth around Rocket's dong and only remove said mouth long enough to post on the forums to say things like "GTFO" or "this game isn't for you"

[L0G!N 9]

Well if you read Rocket's opinion on forums, 'their' responses are exactly what makes Rocket unsure about forums, it's that it's the only way to get a lot of feedback and input, but from what i read between the lines he'd rather just sit down and chat face to face with people that have interesting opinions about what he is doing, or interesting propositions...

In regards to this 'problem' i think the only people that can truely do something about it are Mods, they have the power to remove and punish people for their behavior. And while making this topic is a decent way to show how you feel about various responses of people (hyper emotional and often of sewer levels), i doubt it will change the behavior of the people you want to effect ... (most will likely gniffle in their fist, and think things like 'whiner', or LOL or LMAO) ...

So in addition to making this thread i would suggest to just report posts that cross a civilian line, I have decided I will, and if all people that prefer a civil discussion; which btw. can be heated and filled with disagreement (but without adhominen); report these kinds of post, then perhaps the Mods will have an easier time deciding to just remove those posts, and if needed infraction the poster (report doubles, report w/e) ... see, this game is different from a lot, if not all, other games, so why can't this forum be different from all the other forums as well, 'you know' not like the rest of the internet...

It doesn't take much effort if we all put our best leg forward, and all that want to move in that direction, making threads like this though doesn't realy solve the issue, and is only likely to fuel more emotional responses... be civil yourself, and stay that way for as much you can, and report posts you think don't pass the darwin test, so a mod can do something about it.

[sealteamaus 16]

troll

[SystemiK 366]

dont feed the 12 year old trolls,they'll soon get bored and go back to cod.

This is the day I am waiting for. It'll be a long time coming but it will.

[thehumandove 344]

The unintended nerfing was god awful for this shit. Everyone thought peashooter pistols were the best thing ever for some reason, even if it rendered certain pistols useless in balancing and gave snipers and high level players a seriously unbalanced advantage

[Slyguy65 499]

You are testing an alpha version of a mod. GTFO

Thanks for showing how childish and pathetic the community is, you represent them well.

Edited July 29, 2012 by Slyguy65

[Slyguy65 499]

Those of us who want to make this game better (often referred to as carebears) give constructive criticism on the changes that are being made to this game.

The hardcore ultra skilled sniper elitez try to shoot down our opinions because they can't take the criticism to their precious little game. They have their collective mouth around Rocket's dong and only remove said mouth long enough to post on the forums to say things like "GTFO" or "this game isn't for you"

I saw game of thrones recently and i swear that post gave me the image of that little kid sucking on his moms tit (the mom being rocket the kid being well the kids on this game...)

It fits in so many ways lol not just the figurative sucking action.

[Slyguy65 499]

So, being a new player with no blind insidious love for anyone that understands that alphas are this way and are okay with it that want to show support for Rocket (Who I assume isn't making any money off this, though even if he was it matters little) are wrong?

I'm sorry, if people love rocket for providing something they enjoy, I feel it's best to allow them to be as happy with it as you are not. The cup can be half full.

You weren't here long enough to see how idiotic some of these "hardocrists" are the quotes the first post had were literal people just kept saying "deal with it its the way its meant to be" the idiots who say that are the ones who don't understand what the fuck an alpha is.

The people who criticize (non D-baggishly) about the game are countered by idiotic ignorant fans who respond to said criticism by saying how the changes from the newest patch ARE what was intended they just blindly follow whatever happens to the mod whether its a fuck up or not. Most these fools think most of the known bugs are HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE and therefore defend said bugs/glitches from people who know they are bugs...

It is like rational thinking people trying to tell them god doesn't exist while the idiotic majority simply reply "nope, its all for a reason, it is ALL intended" yaaaa that is exactly how this community is and it is pathetic.

[Anton17 97]

Huh, the L85 was removed? Having never had that gun, fanboyism / non-conforming / antagonistic opinions and comments aside... I'm glad they removed it.

[Jourmand1r 19]

Rocket is the best mod developer ever.

He has convinced an entire forums full of people that modding ARMA 2 means he is going to release an entirely new IP in one year.

I'm amazed Rocket hasn't been hired by EA or ANYONE. He can single handedly do all their jobs.

[dallas 5195]

The cup is full of tears.

[The_Man 393]

Rocket is the best mod developer ever.

He has convinced an entire forums full of people that modding ARMA 2 means he is going to release an entirely new IP in one year.

I'm amazed Rocket hasn't been hired by EA or ANYONE. He can single handedly do all their jobs.

Wait, didn't he say he was going to release it before Christmas? LOL

[SystemiK 366]

Wait, didn't he say he was going to release it before Christmas? LOL

Well to be fair, he said he didnt see any reason he couldn't release a standalone this year, not that he would. I'd be shocked if he pulled it off personally, but who knows what him and BIS have up their sleeve. For all we know he already has already arranged access to source code and will pay licensing fees out of proceeds.

It's anybodys guess at the moment....

[Jourmand1r 19]

Well to be fair, he said he didnt see any reason he couldn't release a standalone this year, not that he would. I'd be shocked if he pulled it off personally, but who knows what him and BIS have up their sleeve. For all we know he already has already arranged access to source code and will pay licensing fees out of proceeds.

It's anybodys guess at the moment....

He won't ever release a stand alone game.

This is a mod. He didn't create a game here. He created a map.

I would not spend money for an Arma 2 map with loot in it.

And thats not even mentioning the fact that he would have to actually make the game too.

[SystemiK 366]

He won't ever release a stand alone game.

This is a mod. He didn't create a game here. He created a map.

I would not spend money for an Arma 2 map with loot in it.

And thats not even mentioning the fact that he would have to actually make the game too.

What the hell are you talking about. The map was created by BIS, not rocket. If he had created this map, I would be in awe, it took an entire team nearly a year to make. I'm gonna go ahead and say that you dont really know what the hell you are talking about, K?

[dinsdale1978@gmail.com 19]

I am not talking about the game nor the people who play it. I'm talking about this forum. This forum's users, and their attitude towards normal people who come here and post their thoughts. How extremely obtuse and hostile you are towards anything outside of the love-rocket-wank-about-dayz vibe. Just look at your reply to this thread - you didn't even bother reading it! or at least not comprehending it. I'm not sure which is more likely.

Interestingly enough I did comprehend your post or at least the parts that weren't childish rants. I actually agree that there are way too many people that think their e-peens grow in direct proportion to the amount of false expertise they show in a forum. I think the zombies have been imbalanced with the last few patches but I have adjusted and altered my play-style for the time being. I realize this is a testing phase and am not going to hang it all up on this project because someone hurt my ego on the forums because of a reactionary comment.

The statement I have the most problem with from your OP is how you know what the right choices are in a mod that you didn't develop, envision, or have any input on from the get-go. I am not a Rocket fan-boy but at the same time going to crap all over the work he is doing. If you would have understood my original response, I was trying to suggest that the patches and fixes so far have been mostly related to how difficult the Arma 2 engine is for customizing a mission beyond the original intent. Imagine is someone tried to make Battlefield 3 with the Battlefield Heroes engine. Yeah not so easy now.

I look at these forums much like I look at the user population in game. Many think that because they camp one spot (thread) and take pot-shots at those just out to help and have fun, that they are some sort of uber player. In reality they would get wrecked in a fair fight and probably just asked their mom to get them another Hot Pocket with which to masturbate.