Game needs Standalone

[bh8817 1]

This game needs to go stand alone dude. I hope the author of this mod reads this.

You have a great idea, but using a terrible game engine.

This game idea needs to be sold, or taken off the Arma 2 game engine. For this style of game, you need an MMORPG style engine. There are cheaters everywhere that only battle eye can stop.. You can't keep using this or it will never work. This mod will be destroyed in no time. The "hive" method you are using is no good, because even though character data is saved in your "hive" people can change data locally since it is stored locally and the Anti-cheat for this game is awful.

Once they change the data locally as they please, it will upload to the Hive and be saved.

To clarify: the game needs to be server side completely.. such as MMO's work.

So, take this idea and pitch it to a company or something. Guaranteed success. You made Arma 2 sell more copies of the game for the mod than for the actual game.

Ponder my words.

[WhiteTigerShiro 25]

Way to spend zero time reading the forums. Rocket already plans to make this game go stand-alone. It's in alpha right now, aka very unfinished.

[clever 12]

It's going stand-alone, but he's probably going to base to use the engine ArmA 3 will be using.

[bh8817 1]

That's what i mean. You cant use a "call of duty" "battlefield 3" style of game system. Needs to be on a Guildwars, WoW type of game style. Otherwise hackers will have free reign forever because of an inefficient anti cheat. And the MMO system carries everything server side, so it gets rid of that possibility.

[DayZPvP.com 143]

This whole thing is just an experiment. I wouldn't doubt if it takes years to get it right.

Guild Wars had many problems too, not with cheating as you say of course. But they still had to make a new engine using the lessons learned from the first game.

I think DayZ will be like that. DayZ will always be flawed, but DayZ 2.0 is going to be AMAZING.

[bh8817 1]

Problems or ok. Getting the game going on the right platform and right game system is what needs to happen.

Arma 2 is shit and the idea of taking DayZ to Arma 3 is an awful idea and that is what i'm getting at here.

This game needs better foundation = point.

[DDaron 38]

The Arma engine is pretty awesome if you ask me.

[FFrank 18]

Author of the mod? He's an employee of Bohemia Interactive Studio (Creators of Arma 2) now.

Chances are very high that DayZ will be ported to upcoming Arma 3, probably with some new engine tweaks and some better graphics. Google Bohemia and you will find out it's a small czech company having about 30 employees. Arma 2 is selling well atm, but you can't expect them to spend money in a total new engine for DayZ to be standalone.

So, what you basically want rocket to do is to sell his great mod to companies like EA and such? I believe this would NEVER happen as long as Bohemia is alive. After I read some interviews and stuff, I'm pretty convinced DayZ is in the hands of some smart guys who know what they're doing.

[Flexserve 4]

YUP, sure does.

[enforcer1975 1111]

You can already save each players data on the server he is playing, you just need to programm the mission that way.

[bh8817 1]

YUP' date=' sure does.

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Yay, a post with some market sense.

[pawlzz 18]

Would an MMORPG angine make the game more RPG or ist or is it only for the efficiency?

I like the action and aiming-shooting aspect in the game (and also the rest) and I think a more RPG-focussed DayZ would be a bit boring, I like it as it is.

In DayZ, the balance of RPG and Action is quite awesome at the moment.

[2ugly 12]

Problems or ok. Getting the game going on the right platform and right game system is what needs to happen.

Arma 2 is shit and the idea of taking DayZ to Arma 3 is an awful idea and that is what i'm getting at here.

This game needs better foundation = point.

They did mention DayZ will probably be ported to Arma3 while being developed as a stand alone. But not in the same interview.

I sure hope you don't think the right game system is a console.

[Fraggle (DayZ) 15720]

Problems or ok. Getting the game going on the right platform and right game system is what needs to happen.

Arma 2 is shit and the idea of taking DayZ to Arma 3 is an awful idea and that is what i'm getting at here.

This game needs better foundation = point.

Firstly, you really need to check out some of the footage of the new Arma 3 engine before you make those sort of comments. Rocket is well aware of the Arma 2 limitations.

Secondly, you should watch the full interview with Rocket at Rezzed. It will answer all of your questions and stop you looking so stupid on these forums.

[yurgrandmuh 0]

yes!! too bad rockets already announced that he wants it to be stand alone. :shy:

[vision1776 42]

Please dont sell the idea to EA or some billionare company. I hate those companies. All they do is sell games. They dont make great games like simulations and such because people want instant action and gratification. Companies like the one that made Left for dead never listen to ideas proposed like DayZ. I asked them to make something more realistic and they just laugh cause its all about profits and nothing about gameplay. Then I find a smaller company making sims like this and I am on board. I would pay whatever you want me to if you made DayZ flawless. I am buying Arma 3 as well and cant wait for it to come out.

[Fraggle (DayZ) 15720]

Please dont sell the idea to EA or some billionare company. I hate those companies. All they do is sell games. They dont make great games like simulations and such because people want instant action and gratification. Companies like the one that made Left for dead never listen to ideas proposed like DayZ. I asked them to make something more realistic and they just laugh cause its all about profits and nothing about gameplay. Then I find a smaller company making sims like this and I am on board. I would pay whatever you want me to if you made DayZ flawless. I am buying Arma 3 as well and cant wait for it to come out.

You should watch this : http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-07-09-watch-dean-rocket-halls-huge-rezzed-q-and-a-for-dayz

It'll put your mind at rest. He has a clear vision of which direction the game is going to head in and it's a good one. Don't worry. In the whole game industry this is the one man/company you can probably trust not to just grab your money and run.

[Captain Q 3]

Chances are, DayZ will be a standalone expansion pack for ArmA 3. Why? You know you'd buy it.

[Fraggle (DayZ) 15720]

Chances are' date=' DayZ will be a standalone expansion pack for ArmA 3. Why? You know you'd buy it.

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Not necessarily. They might use the engine or a version of it with the support of Bohemia. From what I've read and heard in interviews it will be a stand-alone game not an expansion. Either way I'm gonna be a happy chappy. He's also said that in the long term if the Arma 3 engine is unsuitable they'll look at alternatives. I hope they stick with the Arma model though. It's the best engine for this game out there in my opinion.

[DAS1337 20]

No it's not.

I did like the EvE idea that he mentioned in one of the videos, but I don't believe that it would actually be possible.

It needs a tremendously efficient engine, as well as a server structure that can support the game. The big problems right now are because of having multiple shard-like servers. Being able to relocate, log off to avoid death, alter files locally.. things like that. That's the biggest problem in my opinion. The rest of the game mechanics and such can be worked on and improved upon in updates, patches and even migrating to the Arma 3 engine.

Ultimately, it will need an engine that can specialize in certain things that DayZ is trying to do though. A server structure that can help secure date and make the world more immersive and less exploitable is needed. So I do see what the OP is trying to say. MMO style game-world, not mechanics. Being able to log into a server persistent server with hundreds of other players who are online like in MMO's is ideal.

Then what would DayZ become? I would surely be interested in it if it were a MMO as well.

[Lukio (DayZ) 24]

This mod reminds me a lot of how Mount & Blade started off. The only difference was that M & B always was a stand alone game, but in the beginning it was really really bad. A team of 2 or 3 people working really hard to make their vision come true. Now, M & B is a full fledged game that even has official addons. This took about 8 or 9 years I'd say So moving from where we are now to a standalone game that will actually get shelf space (virtual or even in a store) will take quite a while. Maybe nowadays it won't take that long because there are lots of 3D engines, tools, libraries and frameworks around that are tailored for gaming. I'd still guess around 2-3 years.

[peke_kantsi@hotmail.com 36]

This mod reminds me a lot of how Mount & Blade started off. The only difference was that M & B always was a stand alone game, but in the beginning it was really really bad. A team of 2 or 3 people working really hard to make their vision come true. Now, M & B is a full fledged game that even has official addons. This took about 8 or 9 years I'd say So moving from where we are now to a standalone game that will actually get shelf space (virtual or even in a store) will take quite a while. Maybe nowadays it won't take that long because there are lots of 3D engines, tools, libraries and frameworks around that are tailored for gaming. I'd still guess around 2-3 years.

Finally some sense in this thread. If you want a finished Stand Alone DayZ you would have to wait for atleast 2-3 years. It will be just fine when it's ported to Arma 3

[fasthandz 7]

Author of the mod? He's an employee of Bohemia Interactive Studio (Creators of Arma 2) now.

Chances are very high that DayZ will be ported to upcoming Arma 3, probably with some new engine tweaks and some better graphics. Google Bohemia and you will find out it's a small czech company having about 30 employees. Arma 2 is selling well atm, but you can't expect them to spend money in a total new engine for DayZ to be standalone.

So, what you basically want rocket to do is to sell his great mod to companies like EA and such? I believe this would NEVER happen as long as Bohemia is alive. After I read some interviews and stuff, I'm pretty convinced DayZ is in the hands of some smart guys who know what they're doing.

more like 140 employees. probably higher now with dayz. http://www.nytimes.c...eside.html?_r=1

not as small as you think.

Edited July 11, 2012 by fasthandz

[doom4mr 135]

Arma 2 got serious problems with animations, interface etc, but its powerful in other aspects like weapons, ballistics etc.

I think I prefer it more like a mod, I dont play DayZ all the time and some times I want to play the "Old" Tactical Shooter game so I play Arma 2.

On the other hand Arma became DayZ already so standalone will be good idea so players who dont like DayZ (if there any) will be able to play Arma.

Another problem I think will be the Arma 3 release, if DayZ mod will be released for A3, Arma 3 will became DayZ again and all the Arma 3 content will be for nothing...

standalone means new game engine or it will run on Arma 2 Real Virtuality / Arma 3 engine?

[bh8817 1]

They did mention DayZ will probably be ported to Arma3 while being developed as a stand alone. But not in the same interview.

I sure hope you don't think the right game system is a console.

Hellllllllllll no. Console will never work. I just mean that it needs to be on MMO style of game system. You can keep the same mechanics.