Fishing

[Zurvivalist 300]

Fishing with grenades 

 

Need I say more ? 

We need to be able to toss a grenade into a small pond and kill a few fish . Basically just copy the code from the fish net trap or something.

 Toss one in , boom , get 4 or 5 fish at the cost of possibly giving away your location and using up a uncommon weapon.  

 

[LoveAffair 329]

They won't cook anyway to even be eaten , or you get sick.  Another broken thing in this game , But there adding helicopters and bicycles before they fix it , So look on the bright side.

[Zurvivalist 300]

They won't cook anyway to even be eaten , or you get sick.  Another broken thing in this game , But there adding helicopters and bicycles before they fix it , So look on the bright side.

You can cook fish just fine. 

You just can't boil them in a pot. 

In order to cook fish properly , You need a frying pan with animal lard in one of the 4 slots. Cooked on A indoor fireplace, gas camping stove, or fireplace barrel with the lid closed. 

 

Alternatively , you can also smoke/dry the fish by cooking them over an open fire on a long stick. 

[Bororm 1156]

I think you should be able to make hooks from a sewing kit or some other methods besides bones/finding them.  I don't like how fishing requires more effort than it's worth to actually do.  All the various little things you need to collect to do it, and the amount of tools required is sorta silly.

 

I'd fish a lot more if it weren't such a drag.

Edited January 11, 2016 by Bororm

[Zurvivalist 300]

I think you should be able to make hooks from a sewing kit or some other methods besides bones/finding them.  I don't like how fishing requires more effort than it's worth to actually do.  All the various little things you need to collect to do it, and the amount of tools required is sorta silly.

 

I'd fish a lot more if it weren't such a drag.

 

umm... 

Netting + Wire = Fish trap

PET water bottle + knife = fish trap 

Bone = hooks or arrows 

Fishing hooks..are everywhere 

 

Rope +stick= rod

Rope =Common

Guts + long stick = rode 

Rode made from Guts broken down will give rope. 

 

ONE Wire + stick = rabbit 

Rabbit =guts + bone =Hook + rope + long stick =unlimited  fish

 

So while looting all you have too look for is either a fish hook,wire.PET water bottle or netting  Which are mostly all  very common 

Alternatively , you can shoot an animal or player for more bones ...

Soon I hope we can also gut zombies for these same materials  

 

Fishing is one of the easiest ways to acquire food aside from apple trees and picking berries . 

And far faster than gardening 

 

The only practical alternative to making hooks from Bones or using looted hooks . 

Would be spear fishing, archery fishing ,gill nets,  and explosives. 

Granted one could also argue using stun baton and cattle prods to shock fish , which would also work . 

 A hook made from a sewing kit would not be ideal for a few reasons 

The steel used in needles is very thin and would bend out very easily on large fish . Do not have the barb end to prevent fish from spitting the hook out. And the Thicker needles tend to break rather than bend properly . ( tried this in my youth) 

 

Now In reality for survivalist , You can craft decent hooks from thorny plants,  bird bones ,hell you basically only need half a toothpick. Those options have basically all been implemented into the game for now as placeholders with the bone hook, I'm sure once modding comes out someone , if not myself will take them a few steps further .

 

What actually needs to be reworked is the text based fishing method... THAT junk gets on my last nerve  

[Bororm 1156]

I'm not counting the traps because I'm referring to the act of actually fishing with a rod.

 

You need a stick, rope/guts, a hook, bait

 

to get a stick requires an axe.  to get the bait requires a knife/digging tool.  to get guts requires killing an animal, likewise for bone hooks.

 

so unless you happen to find a rope and fishing hook, which honestly aren't that common, you're still requiring two more tools to get a functioning fishing pole.

 

then once you have a fishing pole you have to ditch your melee weapon.

 

It's just a bunch of hassle for something that isn't that rewarding.

 

They should introduce full rods/reels/lines as an actual item.

Edited January 11, 2016 by Bororm

[Zurvivalist 300]

You can make a improvised knife from a stone you can pick up off the ground . 

That same knife can be used to Cut rags , cut large sticks , skin animals , and dig for worms. 

Actually the best knife in the game as far as durability goes.

 

The stick can then be used as your 

Bow ( ranged weapons , infinite ammo supplies, dead silent  ) 

Melee Stick , or add bone to make long spear 

Or fishing rod,

 Or once done with it , cut into small sticks for the fire to cook said meats . 

 

two stacks of 6 rags for a total of 12 can be combined to make a rope. 

Can make rags from nearly any clothing , Raincoats give you 5 or 6 at least if you divide up all the armbands before cutting them into rags.  .

 

So there are several actually several ways to get rope without looting for it directly  .

 

The very first thing I do when I spawn in as a new character , is make a knife and cut a long stick .

As soon as I have collected enough rags or found a rope I make a bow and some arrows for protection and hunting.

As soon as i find some wire or a hook , I go fishing and trapping to feed my guy until fully green . Apple trees keep me alive until then .  This is the first 10-20 minutes of every new characters life. 

 

Future fishing rod 

[Bororm 1156]

You can make a improvised knife from a stone you can pick up off the ground . 

That same knife can be used to Cut rags , cut large sticks , skin animals , and dig for worms. 

Actually the best knife in the game as far as durability goes.

 

The stick can then be used as your 

Bow ( ranged weapons , infinite ammo supplies, dead silent  ) 

Melee Stick , or add bone to make long spear 

Or fishing rod,

 Or once done with it , cut into small sticks for the fire to cook said meats . 

 

two stacks of 6 rags for a total of 12 can be combined to make a rope. 

Can make rags from nearly any clothing , Raincoats give you 5 or 6 at least if you divide up all the armbands before cutting them into rags.  .

 

So there are several actually several ways to get rope without looting for it directly  .

 

The very first thing I do when I spawn in as a new character , is make a knife and cut a long stick .

As soon as I have collected enough rags or found a rope I make a bow and some arrows for protection and hunting.

As soon as i find some wire or a hook , I go fishing and trapping to feed my guy until fully green . Apple trees keep me alive until then .  This is the first 10-20 minutes of every new characters life. 

 

Future fishing rod 

 

Wow, I had no idea you could make rope from rags.  I spent a good 30-40 mins earlier looking for a rope haha.  Was a bit ignorant of some of that other info as well.

Thanks for all that, very good information.  I guess it's not as bad as I thought.

[S3V3N 1402]

 

You just can't boil them in a pot. 

Are you sure about that? I tried both (pot and stick about a week ago and didn't get sick from the one in the pot); there just had to be water in the pot, otherwise the fish is ruined. What I noticed though is that in the pot you only get 1 stage of cooking and it still looks fairly raw, as it is poached. Wheras on the stick you can overcook the fish/meat and get food poisoning when eating it at its last cooking stage. With new ui the cooking in pot is a pain in the ass though, because you can't look in the pot while it's on the fire. I always had to take it out and check the fish directly. A nice thing I found out is that you can rightclick the fish fillet and chose "inspect" to bring up the description and it will turn cooked in that big description window in realtime; it's easier to see the stages. Generally, as soon as there are ripples/cuts on the scale side of the fillet, it is cooked. 

 

I'm still wondering about the cooking pots myself a bit, but it seemed legit to me that they rather poach than burn the meat. I'm gonna try again today and see what happens. Maybe post some screenshots here later. 

[Zurvivalist 300]

Are you sure about that? I tried both (pot and stick about a week ago and didn't get sick from the one in the pot); there just had to be water in the pot, otherwise the fish is ruined. What I noticed though is that in the pot you only get 1 stage of cooking and it still looks fairly raw, as it is poached. Wheras on the stick you can overcook the fish/meat and get food poisoning when eating it at its last cooking stage. With new ui the cooking in pot is a pain in the ass though, because you can't look in the pot while it's on the fire. I always had to take it out and check the fish directly. A nice thing I found out is that you can right click the fish fillet and chose "inspect" to bring up the description and it will turn cooked in that big description window in realtime; it's easier to see the stages. Generally, as soon as there are ripples/cuts on the scale side of the fillet, it is cooked. 

 

I'm still wondering about the cooking pots myself a bit, but it seemed legit to me that they rather poach than burn the meat. I'm gonna try again today and see what happens. Maybe post some screenshots here later. 

 There are 3 stages to every cooked meat , and two types of "cooked "

The 3 stages ( change skin textures ) are Raw , Cooked, Burnt ( rotten was removed at some point or I haven't let meat sit long enough to see it again ) 

Depending on How you cook your meat, ( ie  pan/pot vs Stick and fire )  Will change its Cooked texture to either a shiny glossed Fried look , or a dried smoked look. 

 

When cooking fish , as far as I'm aware, It will not cook in a cooking pot. I have tried many times, If i'm not mistaken , the fish will not even heat up while in a pot. 

The only way I have been able to cook it since 0.58 has either been on a stick or in a frying pan. 

 

While everyone else in 0.58 got sick every single time they touched meats. I lived completely off it , and never got sick. Same continues into 59.. I suspect that the Devs might have even slipped in a immunity system to those that live for long periods of time, and stay healthy continually .  This single character I have now for example has been alive since 59 hit stable, and I have recently started eating worms and guts, without getting sick . 

 

Some of my preferred recipes

Chicken and Rice with tomatoes  (very filling )

Pork Chops and fried apples

Fried fish with Canina berries 

Good ol steak and baked potato  ( Super rare this time of year ) 

And of course venison with Baked Beans

 

Dried pumpkins can make for a decent on the go snack , 

Peaches can be a decent desert when available 

Just don't forget the occasional banana to prevent cramps 

[Zurvivalist 300]

Are you sure about that? I tried both (pot and stick about a week ago and didn't get sick from the one in the pot)

 

I stand corrected, tested again tonight , and it seems they fixed it since 58 

You can cook fish in a pot, it just takes a little longer than other meats 

[S3V3N 1402]

I stand corrected, tested again tonight , and it seems they fixed it since 58 

Thanks for testing! I didn't get around to do it. Did you feel like the second batch cooked much faster? I thought I'd just imagined that when I cooked, but maybe they actually take boiling the water into account. When you wrote about it I remembered how fucking long I waited and that I had overcooked + cooked several pieces of fish on a stick in the meantime (I cooked with a tripod on a fire when I tried with the pot).

I didn't know it's the same (access problem) with the cooking pot in old UI. I thought you could look into there, while it is on the flame, but apparently there's no difference to the new UI. The stick is more convenient to check, especially if you don't fish like a maniac or plan to feed the five-thousand. However, I do think it is impossible to overcook anything in the pot, as I never got it past that same stage of cooked that you showed.

Was that rabbit leg from a trap? I guess so, since you wrote you're trapping, and I've only once actually seen a rabbit model that sprinted away (and made a high pitched sound). I'm hoping for a bit more wildlife. The foxes seem to be more common than rabbits, yet there should be more rabbits around, near where we have a fox encounter. I dislike that everything spawns in small groups and would like to see a little more of the prey and less of the predators, in the future!   

[Zurvivalist 300]

Hehe lets use that space bar occasionally..

Thanks for testing! You're welcome 

 

 Did you feel like the second batch cooked much faster? I thought I'd just imagined that when I cooked, but maybe they actually take boiling the water into account. When you wrote about it I remembered how fucking long I waited and that I had overcooked + cooked several pieces of fish on a stick in the meantime (I cooked with a tripod on a fire when I tried with the pot). When cooking , on the pot it has to reach red hot , before the cooking meat timer activates . The temp of the fire can speed this proccess up . ( Stove vs stick fire vs log fire for example) all burn at different temps 

 

I didn't know it's the same (access problem) with the cooking pot in old UI. I thought you could look into there, while it is on the flame, but apparently there's no difference to the new UI. Could at one time.. But seems they removed the option. 

 

The stick is more convenient to check, especially if you don't fish like a maniac or plan to feed the five-thousand. Agree , my issue with cooking over open flame is that it also overheats your body . I was already running hot today. Hence why i was wet, trying to cool off. 

 

However, I do think it is impossible to overcook anything in the pot, as I never got it past that same stage of cooked that you showed.

Now that you mention it ... hmm , I'll test that with my next meal . After I find another large gas can, I'll just let it cook till the gas runs out . 

 

Was that rabbit leg from a trap? I guess so, since you wrote you're trapping, Yea , one rabbit out of 5 snares... bad run of luck for that meal. Coastal runs are always a pain , and hella test my survival mentality. Be so much easier to just load up on cans sometimes. 

 

 I've only once actually seen a rabbit model that sprinted away (and made a high pitched sound). I'm hoping for a bit more wildlife. Lucky.. I have yet to actually see a live rabbit... ever... When that day finally happens, I'l likely burn all my ammo trying to hit it lol Just from the adrenaline 

 

The foxes seem to be more common than rabbits, yet there should be more rabbits around, near where we have a fox encounter. I dislike that everything spawns in small groups and would like to see a little more of the prey and less of the predators, in the future!   I agree , i have yet to see a fox either. But hopefully these are all test placeholders, and someday ambient life will be plentiful in wilderness areas .  I miss the mod days of casually running through fields and spooking up some rabbit for dinner. More often than not, it caused me to pack a shotgun with pellet rounds along with my DMR , Shotgun being just for rabbit hunting. 

 

In my opinion , the small game should be just plentiful enough to add to the world environment and scenery . While larger game remains for the hunters and feeding groups.  

Rabbits , foxes and birds in the woods, and plenty of rats in the cities . 

 

I think the trick will by to make a hybrid system for animal spawning 

Large game, Deer , elk , bears, wolves remain persistent with certain triggers as they kind of are now. 

And small ambient life (rabbits, rats, birds, bugs )  triggered by player location like in the mod . 

Edited January 12, 2016 by J0nathan

[Zurvivalist 300]

 However, I think it is impossible to overcook anything in the pot, as I never got it past that same stage of cooked that you showed.

Now that you mention it ... hmm , I'll test that with my next meal . After I find another large gas can, I'll just let it cook till the gas runs out . 

Ok SO ... I tested this for you tonight while cooking a large dinner for myself .

The test subjects were. .. 1 Lard,1 fish filet ,1 chicken leg ,1 rabbit leg 

Tested first batch on Pristine Large Gas can + Pristine Gas stove top in a 100% full Pristine Cooking pot. 

I set it to cook , and left it on until the gas ran out . Meats did not over cook at all . Water in pot stayed at 100% 

Test number 2 ,

2Rabbit and 1 Pork Chop 1 chicken leg  

Same full pot , still hot

Cooked over fire with cooking stand, Fire was made from paper and 5 sticks 

Let it cook until the fire burned out and pot cooled off ( i was out hunting ) 

None of the meat over cooked, But pot was at 90% . So fire will use up the water 

 

Next test will be to let pot boil out of water on a log fire .

 But so far it seems you can not overcook meats while using the cooking pot . Just run out of fuel 

[Zurvivalist 300]

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Next test will be to let pot boil out of water on a log fire .

 But so far it seems you can not overcook meats while using the cooking pot . Just run out of fuel 

 

Tested this today for lunch , Burns the shit out of your food when pot runs out of water lol