Body Armor/ Kevlar

[Lucereflame 0]

Alright so People complain about Bleeding too easily. Being one shot and breaking bones easily, well why not add kevlar or several types of body armors to the game. Some may lessen the chance for Bleed. others reduce bullet damage, and even possibly add helmets to help prevent against those head shots.

[Spunkmire 36]

Alright so People complain about Bleeding too easily. Being one shot and breaking bones easily' date=' well why not add kevlar or several types of body armors to the game. Some may lessen the chance for Bleed. others reduce bullet damage, and even possibly add helmets to help prevent against those head shots.

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BINGO !

[John (DayZ) 62]

Well, that would make sense, considering we're all already wearing body armor anyway. For some reason.

[chrismgtis 55]

Alright so People complain about Bleeding too easily. Being one shot and breaking bones easily' date=' well why not add kevlar or several types of body armors to the game. Some may lessen the chance for Bleed. others reduce bullet damage, and even possibly add helmets to help prevent against those head shots.

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Armor?

Absolutely not a solution. That stays in Call of Duty or I don't play this mod. Period.

[John (DayZ) 62]

Alright so People complain about Bleeding too easily. Being one shot and breaking bones easily' date=' well why not add kevlar or several types of body armors to the game. Some may lessen the chance for Bleed. others reduce bullet damage, and even possibly add helmets to help prevent against those head shots.

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Armor?

Absolutely not a solution. That stays in Call of Duty or I don't play this mod. Period.

Are you serious?

First of all, nobody really cares if you play this mod or not. Second of all, kevlar/body armor is an actual, common facet of military life. In almost every country, soldiers wear body armor with their BDUs. There are three separate military bases in-game, so while body armor would be pretty damn rare, it would still definitely exist. Maybe a bit more common than a ghillie suit.

[Arkc 6]

For this.

While wearing it you could should make more sound while running.

[DevilDog (DayZ) 455]

There is a thread that talks about this in great detail.

you should not make more noise while wearing it, but you should require more water than normal.

Also it would have to be right. A kevlar is not going to stop anything, although it MIGHT help protect you from a hatchet to the head, or a zombie hit.

Maybe the BA protects from 1 shot at the most, after that the sappi plate is useless anyway and the player should be in pain and maybe can't run as fast due to broken ribs? I don't want to have to shoot some one 10 times to get a kill, that is COD stuff.

[frodevil 15]

Just to let you know, helmets don't do shit against bullets. Helmets are worn to protect from loose shrapnel/flak/debris from explosions as well as for camouflage.

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Are you serious?

First of all' date=' nobody really cares if you play this mod or not. Second of all, kevlar/body armor is an actual, common facet of military life. In almost every country, soldiers wear body armor with their BDUs. There are three separate military bases in-game, so while body armor would be pretty damn rare, it would still definitely exist. Maybe a bit more common than a ghillie suit.

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You realize that the body armor worn in the field isn't for bullets right? It's for shrapnel and flak and doesn't stop bullets.

[John (DayZ) 62]

You realize that the body armor worn in the field isn't for bullets right? It's for shrapnel and flak and doesn't stop bullets.

This' date=' and another post one or two before it, amaze me.

No, you are completely wrong. Kevlar/vests worn in the field stop small arms (pistols, assault rifles, etc.) from around 20-30 feet, obviously with varying effectiveness. When you're hit, there's still serious impact damage done to your body - ranging from broken ribs to internal bleeding - but they can absolutely stop a bullet from penetrating your body.

[b']EDIT: Just so that we don't have to spend three pages debating this:

"A ballistic vest, bulletproof vest or bullet-resistant vest is an item of personal armor that helps absorb the impact from firearm-fired projectiles and shrapnel from explosions, and is worn on the torso. Soft vests are made from many layers of woven or laminated fibers and can be capable of protecting the wearer from small-caliber handgun and shotgun projectiles, and small fragments from explosives such as hand grenades.

Metal or ceramic plates can be used with a soft vest, providing additional protection from rifle rounds, and metallic components or tightly woven fiber layers can give soft armor resistance to stab and slash attacks from knives and similar close-quarter weapons. Soft vests are commonly worn by police forces, private citizens, security guards, and bodyguards, whereas hard-plate reinforced vests are mainly worn by combat soldiers, police tactical units, and hostage rescue teams.

Modern body armor may combine a ballistic vest with other items of protective clothing, such as a combat helmet. Vests intended for police and military use may also include ballistic shoulder and side protection armor components, and bomb disposal officers wear heavy armor and helmets with face visors and spine protection."

As for helmets, many modern combat helmets have interwoven kevlar/twaron protection - which means, as stated before, they're more resistant to lower caliber bullets, such as those used in shotgun pellets and handguns. They're not that useful, but they're a lot more useful than no helmet at all.

[BossFi 90]

A single type body armour would be a good addition but as long as it is rare.

Addition of a police riot shield could be good tactically to use.

[SepticTank 1]

'Just to let you know, helmets don't do shit against bullets. Helmets are worn to protect from loose shrapnel/flak/debris from explosions as well as for camouflage.'

Sooooo....do you know ANYTHING about body armor?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personnel_Armor_System_for_Ground_Troops

'You realize that the body armor worn in the field isn't for bullets right? It's for shrapnel and flak and doesn't stop bullets.'

What the fuck is this then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Arms_Protective_Insert

[Eiskrem-Kaiser 54]

I'm all for armor loot. But there should be some disadvantage, like slower running speed.

[Superior 9]

Comprising it with shorter stamina and faster thirst, sure. I want to see it balanced and put out realistically, because "helmets to prevent from head-shots" is a crock of bullshit. It's for debris as someone said and if I'd seen that in-game I'd just cringe.

[SepticTank 1]

Slower running speed and increased thirst/hunger needs, yes. A thousand times yes.

By the time you take into account the fabric of a plate carrier, kevlar inserts, sapi plates, various pouches, magazines with ammunition....you're already looking at 30-40 pounds. No joke.

I completely agree Kaiser.

Kevlar helmets can withstand at best...45 ACP rounds (threat level II.)

[FrIEND (DayZ) 9]

i approve this thread :)

[zipper 69]

Here's an idea. Why don't we use the search function and reply in the thread this was already suggested in. Especially since it happens to be on the very next page.

[chrismgtis 55]

Alright so People complain about Bleeding too easily. Being one shot and breaking bones easily' date=' well why not add kevlar or several types of body armors to the game. Some may lessen the chance for Bleed. others reduce bullet damage, and even possibly add helmets to help prevent against those head shots.

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Armor?

Absolutely not a solution. That stays in Call of Duty or I don't play this mod. Period.

Are you serious?

First of all, nobody really cares if you play this mod or not. Second of all, kevlar/body armor is an actual, common facet of military life. In almost every country, soldiers wear body armor with their BDUs. There are three separate military bases in-game, so while body armor would be pretty damn rare, it would still definitely exist. Maybe a bit more common than a ghillie suit.

If you don't get why we shouldn't have armor in this mod, then you obviously know nothing about it or the issues with the Arma 2 engine or DayZ itself.

Add armor to this mod: the mod dies. Period.

[Riis 22]

You realize that the body armor worn in the field isn't for bullets right? It's for shrapnel and flak and doesn't stop bullets.

This' date=' and another post one or two before it, amaze me.

No, you are completely wrong. Kevlar/vests worn in the field stop small arms (pistols, assault rifles, etc.) from around 20-30 feet, obviously with varying effectiveness. When you're hit, there's still serious impact damage done to your body - ranging from broken ribs to internal bleeding - but they can absolutely stop a bullet from penetrating your body.

[b']EDIT: Just so that we don't have to spend three pages debating this:

"A ballistic vest, bulletproof vest or bullet-resistant vest is an item of personal armor that helps absorb the impact from firearm-fired projectiles and shrapnel from explosions, and is worn on the torso. Soft vests are made from many layers of woven or laminated fibers and can be capable of protecting the wearer from small-caliber handgun and shotgun projectiles, and small fragments from explosives such as hand grenades.

Metal or ceramic plates can be used with a soft vest, providing additional protection from rifle rounds, and metallic components or tightly woven fiber layers can give soft armor resistance to stab and slash attacks from knives and similar close-quarter weapons. Soft vests are commonly worn by police forces, private citizens, security guards, and bodyguards, whereas hard-plate reinforced vests are mainly worn by combat soldiers, police tactical units, and hostage rescue teams.

Modern body armor may combine a ballistic vest with other items of protective clothing, such as a combat helmet. Vests intended for police and military use may also include ballistic shoulder and side protection armor components, and bomb disposal officers wear heavy armor and helmets with face visors and spine protection."

As for helmets, many modern combat helmets have interwoven kevlar/twaron protection - which means, as stated before, they're more resistant to lower caliber bullets, such as those used in shotgun pellets and handguns. They're not that useful, but they're a lot more useful than no helmet at all.

You're both right.

Body armor used by most infantry units over the world has shrapnel and fragment protection as the primary function. Add to that a ceramic/metal plate to stop a couple of high velocity rounds.

Now the body armor wore in afghanistan was a fragmentation vest with 36 layer kevlar softarmor designed to slow down fragments, predetermined by the weave method (not sure if thats the right word, english is not my native language :) ) And 2 ceramic plates Level III designed to stop fragments aswell, but after doing some tests, we found out they could stop a couple of AK rounds before breaking.

As john says, having your body armor stop shrapnel / bullets does not equal you not taking damage, broken ribs, internal hemorrhage, ruptured organs are all part of being hit while wearing body armor, you just lessen the risk of getting holes in your body.

Now the arma 2 engine, and DayZ already uses body armor, the plate carrier that survivors wear actually does something in terms of protection, try shooting a guy in the chest from the front, and then from the side with a small caliber weapon, and you'll see that the damage differs (at least it did when i tested it with a mate).

Now I don't think we need more armor options as there's no stamina system in the game, and there's no consequences from being overheated, but when these things find their way into the mod, I'd be all for adding a few more armor options, in terms of new soft armor and different types of trauma plates. Durability of said trauma plates should be very low considering that when they stop 1 round the structure of the trauma plate is misaligned and the protection of the trauma plate is compromised, and its really uncomfortable to run around with a trauma plate with a huge dent in it :P.

Just my 2 cents.

[DevilDog (DayZ) 455]

You're both right.

Body armor used by most infantry units over the world has shrapnel and fragment protection as the primary function. Add to that a ceramic/metal plate to stop a couple of high velocity rounds.

Good post man.

The NIJ certification is based around stopping pistol/rifle rounds. The higher the cert the higher the caliber. That spec was designed for police officers, because in most cases they found cops were shot by their own weapons, which is why most departments have a vest capable of stopping which ever caliber they carry.

MILITARY vests go through an additional test called FSP (fragmentation simulation projectile) because the military found that the largest threat is from frag, not actual rounds. So they are designed to stop frag first, then bullets (although they still go through the same NIJ cert test so class 3 is class 3 across the board).

The funny thing is if you contact PPI (they make the MTV for the Marine Corps) and get to know then they will even tell you that the MTV is a custom mix just sold to the Marine Corps and they have other better options for non MC use.

((Experience- I work at one of the 5 labs in the USA certified to do the NIJ certification test.))

[Higgypig 0]

This could be a cool idea, but could add more layers of problems on top.

1. Players stocking up on body armor and going rambo.

2.Encourages more combat.

3.The rarity of it spawning would not balance worth having protection from a few bullets, especially if it slowed you or made you more noisy.

[Riis 22]

You're both right.

Body armor used by most infantry units over the world has shrapnel and fragment protection as the primary function. Add to that a ceramic/metal plate to stop a couple of high velocity rounds.

Good post man.

The NIJ certification is based around stopping pistol/rifle rounds. The higher the cert the higher the caliber. That spec was designed for police officers' date=' because in most cases they found cops were shot by their own weapons, which is why most departments have a vest capable of stopping which ever caliber they carry.

MILITARY vests go through an additional test called FSP (fragmentation simulation projectile) because the military found that the largest threat is from frag, not actual rounds. So they are designed to stop frag first, then bullets (although they still go through the same NIJ cert test so class 3 is class 3 across the board).

The funny thing is if you contact PPI (they make the MTV for the Marine Corps) and get to know then they will even tell you that the MTV is a custom mix just sold to the Marine Corps and they have other better options for non MC use.

((Experience- I work at one of the 5 labs in the USA certified to do the NIJ certification test.))

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Much better explanation than from a grunt like me :) I just use whatever they give me :)

[DevilDog (DayZ) 455]

Much better explanation than from a grunt like me :) I just use whatever they give me :)

Haha nah you did good. I just happen to have some experience on the technical side of things.

As an air winger I never really wore my armor, I laid it under my 50 on the floor, figuring that is where bullets come from. :D