too many "do not join" servers to report

[Finchtastic 50]

I and the other contributors to this thread disagree with your apparent feeling that you should be able to pay for an unreasonable advantage in the public hive game.

 

You don't really seem to have an answer to this point, or in fact to understand it at all - hence the insults I guess.

I don't need an answer to your point, it's a statement.  You don't answer statements.  Also, what you're describing is pay to win.  That is a different concept.

[Jesus Christ The Goblin 71]

I don't need an answer to your point, it's a statement.  You don't answer statements.  Also, what you're describing is pay to win.  That is a different concept.

I don't think you understand.

They pay for a public server which is linked to the public hive.

This means that it's the same character as all public servers.

If they kick everyone from their server and then go around the entire map collecting gear without any risk of other players then hop onto another public server and use that gear, That is literally pay to win.

Dayz has those rules to prevent it from becoming pay to win.

It isn't about whining because you can't play a single server when you have hundreds to pick from it's about preventing dayz from becoming a pay to win game.

[Wookieenoob 191]

I don't need an answer to your point, it's a statement.  You don't answer statements.  Also, what you're describing is pay to win.  That is a different concept.

 

the problem is that these servers actually break the rules. 

 

 

if a server is on the public shard it's rules have to comply to these. 

 

 

the people who run these servers pay so they can farm loot indefinitely. 

 

this is not the gameplay the devs had in mind for dayz, and it leads to, reinforces and encourages KOS deathmatching. why? because they can set up a tent on their server hidden near every fresh spawn with duped M4s and protector cases, grenades and hicap vests. 

 

 

you want to know how i know all this? it's unchanged since the mod. i used to set up hidden tents and hidden bases all over the map so i could always re-gear instantly, except i was doing it legitimately hiding my camps in plain sight, stashing away a bike in a bush, and these guys do it by constantly restarting their servers and looting barracks and choppers in 20 minute v3s runs. 

Edited March 16, 2015 by Wookieenoob

[Finchtastic 50]

Or alternatively I could report their server and get it taken down.

I lose nothing by being kicked, However by kicking me they break the rules and get reported 100% of the time.

Definitely no need for me to pay for a server.

That's probably the right thing to do.  However, I doubt the providers are going to give up their profit for a couple angry kids on a forum.. Just my take, you don't have to agree.

[Wookieenoob 191]

That's probably the right thing to do.  However, I doubt the providers are going to give up their profit for a couple angry kids on a forum.. Just my take, you don't have to agree.

 

it's not about people on the forums, these servers are against  the rules of the providers...

[Finchtastic 50]

Are you sure you didn't understand my dining analogy?  Everybody playing the game has already paid for it, just because someone rented a public server for the privelage of naming it whatever they want, doesn't mean they can take it away from everybody else at their whim.  People have already expalined the rules regarding public servers, the exploitable aspects of public server abuse, and how private server admins may have the authority to kick anyone for any reason--because it is private, not public.  I think people are just trying to help you understand the difference between a private server, where you can do as you damn-well wish; and a public server, where you might be expected to behave within certain standards.

 

Perhaps an analogy about the adopt-a-highway program would help you better understand why paying a little extra for expanded privelages in a public space does not come with the right to exclude all others from normal use of said space.  If a person were to adopt a highway, go out once a month to pick up the trash, and pay for a sign, does that give them the right to shut down that section of public road for their commute?  Would it give them the right to run drag race heats there, set up a tent and camp in the road, or do anything else that rendered the road unusable to the rest of the taxpaying public?

 

I made the important words stand out, in case I was also ineffective in presenting my point clearly this time. 

 

Given that you are so adamant about the ability of every player to simply pay for their own server, it follows that those abusing public servers should be plenty capable of paying extra for private servers.  By your leeching/complaining reasoning, I may then conclude that those abusing public servers are just cheapskates trying to cheat the game because they can't handle being on a server with anyone else who might kill them.  Sounds like public server badmins are even lower than the hackers, given their obvious lack of skill and technical limitations. 

I'm not reading all of that.  If you can't make your point in a few short sentences to a paragraph, then you're saying too much.

[Finchtastic 50]

it's not about people on the forums, these servers are against  the rules of the providers...

Yes, but they also pay the providers salaries.  It might be a violation, but they're obviously not doing anything about it because it's not important to them.  That's why I'm saying either just play on the other MASSIVE amount of servers there are, or get your own and password protect it.  I just doubt enough people will ever make a big enough deal about it for them to actually do something.

[Wookieenoob 191]

Yes, but they also pay the providers salaries.  It might be a violation, but they're obviously not doing anything about it because it's not important to them.  That's why I'm saying either just play on the other MASSIVE amount of servers there are, or get your own and password protect it.  I just doubt enough people will ever make a big enough deal about it for them to actually do something.

 

that's the point.

 

 

read OP

 

 

something needs to change, like a dev wiping, and deleting these servers and the people on them every wednesday.

Edited March 16, 2015 by Wookieenoob

[Jesus Christ The Goblin 71]

That's probably the right thing to do.  However, I doubt the providers are going to give up their profit for a couple angry kids on a forum.. Just my take, you don't have to agree.

When servers break the rules and you can provide evidence the server gets taken down.

They already got their money so they don't really care if they take down the server.

If you had reported a server you would see that they respond extremely quickly and take action immediately, This shows that they do care or at very least meet their obligations as a server host.

The employees I have spoken to at various server hosts have been very helpful, I highly recommend reporting servers which break the rules.

Also the employees I have mentioned it to agree that the current system for reporting unjust bans is a joke.

Edited March 16, 2015 by Jesus Christ The Goblin

[Finchtastic 50]

When servers break the rules and you can provide evidence the server gets taken down.

They already got their money so they don't really care if they take down the server.

If you had reported a server you would see that they respond extremely quickly and take action immediately, This shows that they do care or at very least meet their obligations as a server host.

The employees I have spoken to at various server hosts have been very helpful, I highly recommend reporting servers which break the rules.

Also the employees I have mentioned it to agree that the current system for reporting unjust bans is a joke.

I think you're the only person I've seen that says they actually do something about it.  I don't host or play on those servers, so it doesn't really affect me.  I don't really know if they're helpful or not, just the overall attitude towards them that I've seen.  If it's working, keep doing it.  I just don't see what complaining on the forums does if contacting them has proved benefitial.

[Jesus Christ The Goblin 71]

I think you're the only person I've seen that says they actually do something about it.  I don't host or play on those servers, so it doesn't really affect me.  I don't really know if they're helpful or not, just the overall attitude towards them that I've seen.  If it's working, keep doing it.  I just don't see what complaining on the forums does if contacting them has proved benefitial.

While complaining doesn't help we need a discussion about what to do about unjust bans, Having to provide video evidence is ridiculous unless you happen to be recording all of the time.

If they simply cleared bans after a time period it wouldn't matter so much because at least then you can rejoin that server at a later date and get the evidence.

[emuthreat 2837]

I'm not reading all of that.  If you can't make your point in a few short sentences to a paragraph, then you're saying too much.

That explains it.  No need to persist at arguing with a fool.

[boneboys 7988]

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