A New Tier Of Weaponry, Police

[gibonez 3633]

FNX-45 and M67 should really be west crashsite only - there's no real reason the CDF would have them (maybe M67s but I feel like the RGD-5 better represents the "East" grenade while the M67 represents the "West" one.) You also forgot the Amphibia, which is reasonably included as West crashsite loot.

Regular MP-133 should also be included with regular civilian loot, while the pistol grip variant stays fine as is (should be removed from the West helicopter crashsites, though. Don't know why it spawns there.)

 

And if they move the PM73 to police stations then the MP5K would be better off as crashsite loot as well. It's not end-game tier but it makes more sense that way.

 

 

The AK-101 still, IMO, only makes sense as a special forces (East crashsite) weapon. AK-74M still falls under that category if they change it in the future.

 

Yea the amphibia was such a weird addition, wish it was a regular unsurpressed .22lr version so it could be civilian loot. You are right on the m67s.

 

Reason why the pm73 makes sense as police loot is because it is an smg and the type of weapon I would expect the police force to have. mp5k would be perfectly fine as police loot too.

The pump shotgun would also make sense as police loot especially in cop cars as its often issued for each vehicle.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Yea the amphibia was such a weird addition, wish it was a regular unsurpressed .22lr version so it could be civilian loot. You are right on the m67s.

 

Reason why the pm73 makes sense as police loot is because it is an smg and the type of weapon I would expect the police force to have. mp5k would be perfectly fine as police loot too.

The pump shotgun would also make sense as police loot especially in cop cars as its often issued for each vehicle.

Yeah but the Amphibia itself is (or at least, has been) used by US Navy SEALs, so despite being a poor choice compared to the regular version it makes the most sense being a helicopter crashsite spawn. It's hard to really justify having at all but it's an interesting weapon gameplay-wise and the fact that it's internally suppressed is a quality that balances the rarity anyway.

 

PM73 would be fine as police loot, though I still think more should be done in the way of Eastern SMGs in the future. MP5K for now can remain police loot but in the future hopefully we get other SMGs that better fit the role, because the MP5K compared to even just a regular MP5A3 seems like something you'd see NATO special operations and helicopter pilots using, rather than any Chernarussian police or tactical teams.

 

Doesn't really matter personally, as the MP5 series is general enough to be used anywhere, but I do think that in the future every weapon type should be represented across all spawns (except for places it obviously shouldn't be, like machine guns and explosives spawning in civilian houses.)

 

 

Speaking of the M67, I'm not sure why it was added at all. I mean, I know it was added before the RGD-5, but the two grenades perform identically as far as the game is concerned. Seems like the only reason was for variety, though Chris did talk about wanting to create "kits" for all of the factions from ArmA 2, and considering how simple a grenade is to model maybe they just decided to have different ones for the two factions. I'm not complaining, though; it's just somewhat weird.

[Draco122 412]

Yeah but the Amphibia itself is (or at least, has been) used by US Navy SEALs, so despite being a poor choice compared to the regular version it makes the most sense being a helicopter crashsite spawn. It's hard to really justify having at all but it's an interesting weapon gameplay-wise and the fact that it's internally suppressed is a quality that balances the rarity anyway.

 

PM73 would be fine as police loot, though I still think more should be done in the way of Eastern SMGs in the future. MP5K for now can remain police loot but in the future hopefully we get other SMGs that better fit the role, because the MP5K compared to even just a regular MP5A3 seems like something you'd see NATO special operations and helicopter pilots using, rather than any Chernarussian police or tactical teams.

 

Doesn't really matter personally, as the MP5 series is general enough to be used anywhere, but I do think that in the future every weapon type should be represented across all spawns (except for places it obviously shouldn't be, like machine guns and explosives spawning in civilian houses.)

 

 

Speaking of the M67, I'm not sure why it was added at all. I mean, I know it was added before the RGD-5, but the two grenades perform identically as far as the game is concerned. Seems like the only reason was for variety, though Chris did talk about wanting to create "kits" for all of the factions from ArmA 2, and considering how simple a grenade is to model maybe they just decided to have different ones for the two factions. I'm not complaining, though; it's just somewhat weird.

 

The Amphibia is indeed a very odd weapon choice but if there exists a chance for kits in the future of different factions, we may expect to see some other unsual guns. Perhaps a PSS Silent Pistol for the Eastern Crashsite.

 

I would still love the PM-73 to spawn in Police Loot, it's ammo in these areas are often times plentiful and its SO rare to come across an Eastern Crashsite in comparison to a Western one in my humble opinion. Plus you don't always get a chance to find a PM-73. I do agree with your statement that the MP5K should be a dedicated crash site loot. I'd lean more towards a full size MP5, if they do it like how they did the AK's (which while not completely realistic) they could make the full size MP5 feature a folding stock, retractable stock or full stock. More over I think that another "equally" acceptable MP5 variant for the Eastern side would be this, a PP-19-01 "Vityaz" in 9x19mm.

 

 

I'm all for Chris creating "kits" from different factions, there's so little information regarding DayZ's backstory in regards to WHAT factions existed before the outbreak. If simply following ARMA II then surely it should be possible to find Old outdated weapons used by the Rebel forces on Chernarus, I'm all for finding a World War 2 era F-1 or RGD-33 Stick grenade. In an ideal world I'd love to see it these are types of grenades I'd love to see in their respective zones.

 

* Police Stations

• Flashbang
• Tear Gas / CS Gas
• RGD-2 (Smoke)

* Military Bases

• RGD-5
• RDG-M (Smoke)

* Rebel Supply Cache

• F-1
• RGD-33 "Stick"
• RKG-3 "Anti-Tank"

* Western Crashsite

• M67 Frag
• V40 Mini (Stackable by 3x, less powerful)
• M18 Smoke

* Eastern Crashsite

• RGO (Offensive Impact)
• RGN (Standard Frag)

[Chaingunfighter 917]

 

The Amphibia is indeed a very odd weapon choice but if there exists a chance for kits in the future of different factions, we may expect to see some other unsual guns. Perhaps a PSS Silent Pistol for the Eastern Crashsite.

 

I would still love the PM-73 to spawn in Police Loot, it's ammo in these areas are often times plentiful and its SO rare to come across an Eastern Crashsite in comparison to a Western one in my humble opinion. Plus you don't always get a chance to find a PM-73. I do agree with your statement that the MP5K should be a dedicated crash site loot. I'd lean more towards a full size MP5, if they do it like how they did the AK's (which while not completely realistic) they could make the full size MP5 feature a folding stock, retractable stock or full stock. More over I think that another "equally" acceptable MP5 variant for the Eastern side would be this, a PP-19-01 "Vityaz" in 9x19mm.

The PP-19-01 Vityaz SN makes sense to me as an Eastern-bloc special operations type SMG equivalent to the MP5. Rebel caches sound like a good idea, always being random spawns in unorthodox locations, as remnants from the war. They could make these spots interesting by having them be actual spawn locations for the sawed-off IZH-43 and Mosin, as they seem very criminal esque in nature. Additionally, they would be acceptable spawn locations for guns like the PPSh-41 which seem like large requests, and it'd be more balanced than finding them at civilian locations while still making more sense than having them spawn at police stations.

[Draco122 412]

The PP-19-01 Vityaz SN makes sense to me as an Eastern-bloc special operations type SMG equivalent to the MP5. Rebel caches sound like a good idea, always being random spawns in unorthodox locations, as remnants from the war. They could make these spots interesting by having them be actual spawn locations for the sawed-off IZH-43 and Mosin, as they seem very criminal esque in nature. Additionally, they would be acceptable spawn locations for guns like the PPSh-41 which seem like large requests, and it'd be more balanced than finding them at civilian locations while still making more sense than having them spawn at police stations.

 

It's hard to choose a reliable weapon that would be suitable as a Police SMG without it becoming too "Tactical" or "Special Forces esque". Originally I thought about the PP-2000 but that felt more suited as a crash site spawn. Maybe a Vz.64 Skorpion in .380 ACP might make a suitable alternative to a police SMG, civilian semi-auto models are also available too, with .22 LR, .380 ACP and 9x19mm.

 

Rebel caches to me also give some lee way in certain appearances of western or NATO weapons as well, even if they are considered obsolete in todays modern military but totally acceptable for a guerrilla or Militia movement. Certain weapons on the development wishlist such as the FN FAL, a G3A3, the M1 Garand, Thompsons SMG's and other World War 2 and Vietnam era Surplus could totally be acceptable in these rebel caches compared to other spawn locations, of course finding said caches would be incredibly difficult as they are designed to placed where no ordinary civilian may across them without diligently searching for them

[Chaingunfighter 917]

It's hard to choose a reliable weapon that would be suitable as a Police SMG without it becoming too "Tactical" or "Special Forces esque". Originally I thought about the PP-2000 but that felt more suited as a crash site spawn. Maybe a Vz.64 Skorpion in .380 ACP might make a suitable alternative to a police SMG, civilian semi-auto models are also available too, with .22 LR, .380 ACP and 9x19mm.

 

Rebel caches to me also give some lee way in certain appearances of western or NATO weapons as well, even if they are considered obsolete in todays modern military but totally acceptable for a guerrilla or Militia movement. Certain weapons on the development wishlist such as the FN FAL, a G3A3, the M1 Garand, Thompsons SMG's and other World War 2 and Vietnam era Surplus could totally be acceptable in these rebel caches compared to other spawn locations, of course finding said caches would be incredibly difficult as they are designed to placed where no ordinary civilian may across them without diligently searching for them

Skorpion is a must have SMG, but it still doesn't really feel like something you'd see police using as their main SMG, as the compact size means it's basically a machine pistol for all intents and purposes.

 

I think the PM-98 Glauberyt would be a good choice, as it's a Polish 9x19mm SMG and was designed specifically for police usage. The predecessor PM-84P also works equally as well.

 

This would be a purely police spawn. However, best it would seem to just make the PM-73 the police SMG and use the ones below:

 

 

IMI Uzi (Mini and Micro work as well) - Rebel cache, maybe NATO spawn as well. This appears very similar to the PM-98/84P so I figured this'd be better on its own.

 

Steyr MP34 - WW2 side-loaded 9x19 SMG, would also be rebel cache spawn. The Sterling L2A3, Sten, MP-18, MP-28, and MP-35 series all work equally as well, and the Sterling could work as a military SMG in addition to guerrilla one.

PPSh-41 - One of the most iconic Russian weapons, clearly a must have.

SA Vz. 64 (This is a Vz. 61 but the 64 was essentially the same gun in .380) - Subcompact SMG/machine pistol, police and military spawn.

HK UMP-45 - NATO helicopter crashsite weapon, just to have a .45 caliber SMG.

Bizon-2-02 - .380 ACP variant of the Bizon, would act as the Eastern crash site high-capacity SMG.

 

 

8 SMGs seems like a reasonable number to have by release, of course we may have more or less in actuality. The MP5K and UMP-45 would be the rare, modular NATO helicopter crashsite spawns, the Bizon would be the Eastern crashsite SMG of choice, the PM73 and Skorpion would be general Eastern police and military SMGs, the Uzi/PM-98 would be a purely police weapon, and the MP34/other SMG and PPSh-41 would be rarer guerrilla weapons.

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