agouti 105 Posted November 26, 2014 Title pretty much says it all. Tankers and the like should be using carbines, with mags, not full size "battle... W/e the sks is". Tanker helmets should also spawn there. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rags! 1966 Posted November 26, 2014 Hmm...I can get behind this. For the most part, I don't think automatic rifles should spawn outside of military bases...but I do think that rare exceptions should exist. LAVs are somewhat rare, so a rare AK drop on them seems reasonable. I also think that Humvees should have a very very low chance at spawning an M4, too. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chaingunfighter 917 Posted November 26, 2014 SKS is just a semi-auto rifle, no real classification beyond that (I guess you could call it an "assault rifle" just as the M1 Carbine is sometimes, but nonetheless) However, yeah, BMPs and military wreckages should probably spawn their own loot; AKS-74Us and AK-74s, tanker helmets, grenades, ammunition, and other general military loot like binoculars or uniforms. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
agouti 105 Posted November 26, 2014 SKS is just a semi-auto rifle, no real classification beyond that (I guess you could call it an "assault rifle" just as the M1 Carbine is sometimes, but nonetheless) However, yeah, BMPs and military wreckages should probably spawn their own loot; AKS-74Us and AK-74s, tanker helmets, grenades, ammunition, and other general military loot like binoculars or uniforms.An assault rifle needs to selective fire, and a battle rifle fires a full size rifle cartidge. The Sks is its own crazy thing. I think we should create a new category called battle carbine to which we add all intermediate cartridge non select fire rifles. Population sks, m1 carbine, mini 14/30, and all military pattern autoloaders.I should note as a biologist, everything must be systematized. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chaingunfighter 917 Posted November 26, 2014 An assault rifle needs to selective fire, and a battle rifle fires a full size rifle cartidge. The Sks is its own crazy thing. I think we should create a new category called battle carbine to which we add all intermediate cartridge non select fire rifles. Population sks, m1 carbine, mini 14/30, and all military pattern autoloaders.I should note as a biologist, everything must be systematized.Typically the SKS and M1 Carbine, as well as guns like the Mini-14 are thrown under the assault rifle category simply because they have variants that are assault rifles (Type 63, M2 Carbine, AC-556, etc.) Otherwise they're just semi-automatic autoloaders. Granted, I do agree that there should be better specialized classification. In fact, some sort of binomial nomenclature for firearms would be useful, per say (and this is a rough basis)Domain - WeaponsKingdoms - Gunpowder-based weaponsPhylums - Barrel bore (smooth or rifled)Classes - Size/intended purpose of firearm (i.e. handgun. long gun, cannon, or whatnot)Orders - Action of the firearm, I.E. lever-based, pump-based, bolt-based, autoloading, or whatnotFamilies - Guns built on similar systems, ala AK-47, AKM, AK-74, and AK-105Genuses - Variants of the same gun, ala AKM and AKMSSpecies - Specific weapon, AKM 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
agouti 105 Posted November 26, 2014 Typically the SKS and M1 Carbine, as well as guns like the Mini-14 are thrown under the assault rifle category simply because they have variants that are assault rifles (Type 63, M2 Carbine, AC-556, etc.) Otherwise they're just semi-automatic autoloaders. Granted, I do agree that there should be better specialized classification. In fact, some sort of binomial nomenclature for firearms would be useful, per say (and this is a rough basis)Domain - WeaponsKingdoms - Gunpowder-based weaponsPhylums - Barrel bore (smooth or rifled)Classes - Size/intended purpose of firearm (i.e. handgun. long gun, cannon, or whatnot)Orders - Action of the firearm, I.E. lever-based, pump-based, bolt-based, autoloading, or whatnotFamilies - Guns built on similar systems, ala AK-47, AKM, AK-74, and AK-105Genuses - Variants of the same gun, ala AKM and AKMSSpecies - Specific weapon, AKM My boxers just became polka-dotted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AP_Norris 1018 Posted November 26, 2014 I think the SKS is simply classed as a semi automatic carbine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stielhandgranate 480 Posted November 27, 2014 Title pretty much says it all. Tankers and the like should be using carbines, with mags, not full size "battle... W/e the sks is". Tanker helmets should also spawn there. This is a good idea. In Afghanistan legend has it that locals with AKS-74us recovered one from an encounter with Russian Special Forces, or defeated a armored fighting vehicle/helicopter crew and earned a degree of respect among their peers. The SKS needs to be deleted entirely from the military spawn table all together. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
a_ruttle 199 Posted November 29, 2014 BMP wrecks would need to be moved around the map then, theres 2 at NEAF and the more civilian that place is the better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stielhandgranate 480 Posted November 29, 2014 BMP wrecks would need to be moved around the map then, theres 2 at NEAF and the more civilian that place is the better. Wrecks in general need to be random. So every server run is unique. I would love to see more interaction with wrecks too. People should be able to crawl into and hide in T-72,BMP and BRDM husks to avoid other players, set up ambushes or scavenge for supplies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites