US clothing, Vests and Backpacks at crashsites

[w1lg5r 70]

How is that less likely ?

Because lore-wise the USMC was directly involved in the conflict beforehand and would also be more likely to help out in a crisis.

[General Zod 1118]

Because lore-wise the USMC was directly involved in the conflict beforehand and would also be more likely to help out in a crisis.

And lore wise we are in the post soviet country so any AK gun is still more likely to be there. 

[w1lg5r 70]

And lore wise we are in the post soviet country so any AK gun is still more likely to be there. 

Yes and which post Soviet states (apart from Russia and Azerbaijan) use the AK74M?

None

(This is about the '74M not the rest of the AK family)

Personally I am happy that the '74M is being added as it sets precedent for other modern Russian weapons such as AS VAL or SVU, but lore-wise M4s make more sense.

EDIT: I now realise that Armenia and Georgia use the AK74M too but still not relevant.

Edited October 22, 2014 by lootable

[General Zod 1118]

Yes and which post Soviet states (apart from Russia and Azerbaijan) use the AK74M?

None

(This is about the '74M not the rest of the AK family)

Personally I am happy that the '74M is being added as it sets precedent for other modern Russian weapons such as AS VAL or SVU, but lore-wise M4s make more sense.

EDIT: I now realise that Armenia and Georgia use the AK74M too but still not relevant.

And which poor ass post soviet country has civilian population importing M1 garand ? Which is being added ? 

None. 

There QED PDQ

Edited October 22, 2014 by General Zod

[stielhandgranate 480]

And which poor ass post soviet country has civilian population importing M1 garand ? Which is being added ? 

None. 

 

Czech Republic, Hungary, Finland.

[w1lg5r 70]

And which poor ass post soviet country has civilian population importing M1 garand ? Which is being added ? 

None. 

There QED PDQ

And that is relevant how....

I am talking of the M4 being more likely than the '74M not about the M1.

[w1lg5r 70]

I already stated that I am happy that the AK-74M is being added even though it is less likely than an M4 and I would even go so far as to say rarer than an M1 garand.

[General Zod 1118]

Czech Republic, Hungary, Finland.

 

And which poor ass post soviet country has civilian population importing M1 garand ? Which is being added ? 

Countries you mention aren't that poor, Chernarus has houses that look like higher end shacks.

[w1lg5r 70]

Countries you mention aren't that poor, Chernarus has houses that look like higher end shacks.

So what? The M1 Garand is being added and so is the AK74M. Two weapons lore wise which would be less likely than an M82A1. Russian guns are no more relevant than American guns if not less so.

QED PDQ.

Edited October 22, 2014 by lootable

[stielhandgranate 480]

Countries you mention aren't that poor, Chernarus has houses that look like higher end shacks.

 

For someone that dogged Americans in a earlier post you are acting like a stereotypical arrogant American. Chernarus may have a poor backwater but so does every Superpower nation in the world. The Capital city, Novograd is not present in the map, and every city is laden with shops and utilities such as power plants and infrastructure like emergency services and factories indicating a large working class. Firearms on the level of WW2 and early cold war surplus is very cheap with common long guns selling for less than 1000 USD. M1 Garands in the US sell for about 800 USD and there are hundreds of thousands of examples overseas. Stop getting butthurt over the M1 Garand. The Blaze 95 makes less sense due to it's high market cost, yet I see little fuss over it.

[General Zod 1118]

So what? The M1 Garand is being added and so is the AK74M. Two weapons lore wise which would be less likely than an M82A1. Russian guns are no more relevant than American guns if not less so.

QED PDQ.

Sure, just because 'murican hero troops were there doesn't mean they left all behind. Russian guns would still be more common

 

For someone that dogged Americans in a earlier post you are acting like a stereotypical arrogant American. Chernarus may have a poor backwater but so does every Superpower nation in the world. The Capital city, Novograd is not present in the map, and every city is laden with shops and utilities such as power plants and infrastructure like emergency services and factories indicating a large working class. Firearms on the level of WW2 and early cold war surplus is very cheap with common long guns selling for less than 1000 USD. M1 Garands in the US sell for about 800 USD and there are hundreds of thousands of examples overseas. Stop getting butthurt over the M1 Garand. The Blaze 95 makes less sense due to it's high market cost, yet I see little fuss over it.

Don't insult me please. 

800 USD is a lot, especially in countires like chernarus, and that does not include transport, duties etc. Total would be over 1000 and for that price there would be no more than 5 M1s altogether. Most people cannot afford to pay this much money for WW2 weapon. Only rich guns collectors would be willing / able to pay that kind of money. 

And yes I Blaze 95 is too common I said that before. Which is why I said more than once that 80% of guns should be low / mid tier hunting rifles and handguns. Mostly made.in Europe and Asia. 

Edited October 22, 2014 by General Zod

[Karakoz 141]

I don't want the M1 Garand either.

[BeefBacon 1185]

Sounds good to me, especially if US gear is only found at crash sites.

 

Really there should be more US gear, since it fits in lore-wise. The more stuff there is the better, provided it's properly distributed.

[stielhandgranate 480]

Sure, just because 'murican hero troops were there doesn't mean they left all behind. Russian guns would still be more common

 

Don't insult me please. 

800 USD is a lot, especially in countires like chernarus, and that does not include transport, duties etc. Total would be over 1000 and for that price there would be no more than 5 M1s altogether. Most people cannot afford to pay this much money for WW2 weapon. Only rich guns collectors would be willing / able to pay that kind of money. 

And yes I Blaze 95 is too common I said that before. Which is why I said more than once that 80% of guns should be low / mid tier hunting rifles and handguns. Mostly made.in Europe and Asia. 

 

You do a good job insulting yourself with your ignorance. Also pretending to be better than an American, or any other nationality simply because you were born elsewhere is what simpletons do to raise their self esteem. Chernarus isn't a real place so you can't assume 800 USD is a lot to the region and even if it is these weapons aren't going to be in every household. Transportation is not a concern as these are not new production weapons being shipped in from the US and are being transported by ground from neighboring areas. 800 USD is not a lot for a working class person especially in Europe where the working class earns more on average than their American counterpart. SKS rifles cost even less and in Czech Republic (The same place this region is based on if you forgot) automatic weapons can be had legally for less than 500 USD.

[w1lg5r 70]

Sure, just because 'murican hero troops were there doesn't mean they left all behind. Russian guns would still be more common

'murican hero troops? FYI the US is still operating in chernarus (UH-60 crashsites). You have no reasons why Russian guns would be more common. Soviet weapons sure, but the AK74M wouldn't be anywhere near as common as M4s.

[stielhandgranate 480]

Sounds good to me, especially if US gear is only found at crash sites.

 

Really there should be more US gear, since it fits in lore-wise. The more stuff there is the better, provided it's properly distributed.

 

Let me add on this to try to re-rail this thread. I would really like to see places like the tent cities become the location for common NATO/UNFOR loot. Items like MICH Helmets and 5.56 rifles would be fitting. Perhaps a battlefield littered with vehicle husks inspired by the Iraq highway of death would be a good place for looters to scavenge for NATO equipment.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Death

[General Zod 1118]

Chernarus isn't a real place so you can't assume 800 USD is a lot to the region 

I'm sorry are playing on the same map ? Look at the buildings, look at the houses, it all screams poverty. Houses don't even have toilets. The biggest town Novo is no more 20 thousand people. That's less than there are students in my university. So yes I can assume that 800 USD is a lot. 

[Chaingunfighter 917]

We are getting the AK74M, a Russian gun. Lore-wise this is less likely than an M4. So quit with the Russian guns whining, it has already been stated by devs that they put whatever they feel like in game. 

It's actually no longer an AK-74M at this point - now it's just going to be an AK-74 with wooden furniture, and they've decided to keep the AK-101 as a separate weapon (even less likely than the 74M)

 

The 74M I wouldn't say is any less likely than the M4A1 - both Russia and the US invaded, the 74M is the standard service rifle of the Russian Armed Forces, (regular AK-74s were  also standard for the CDF), so I actually believe you'd find more AK-74Ms with polymer furniture than M4A1s, simply because of the region.

 

It doesn't matter at this point, because the AK-74 that's being added instead is probably the most realistic AR lore and realistic wise, save maybe the AKM. (and either way, you can interchange the parts on the AKs to an unrealistic, but necessary degree, so you can really have a plethora of impossible/nonstandard AKs - say an AK-74 with the AKMS underfolding stock or an AKM with a side-folding stock)

Edited October 22, 2014 by Chaingunfighter

[BeefBacon 1185]

I'm sorry are playing on the same map ? Look at the buildings, look at the houses, it all screams poverty. Houses don't even have toilets. The biggest town Novo is no more 20 thousand people. That's less than there are students in my university. So yes I can assume that 800 USD is a lot. 

 

The map is only a small part of Chernarus. It's possible that there are richer parts of Chernarus. Also bear in mind that there are graphical restrictions whereby rendering a full-sized city isn't really feasible, so it's possible that the 'cities' are the size of small villages because of that. Same with, say, Skyrim where NPCs describe battles involving thousands of soldiers when the cities are tiny and populated by, like, 50 people.

 

Plus it's a game. Realistically people don't leave cans of beans on the floor in the middle of a room. Have to make some allowances, even if that means ignoring how a poor farmer could possibly afford a WWII rifle. It's a game. It can only adhere to reality so closely.

[nokyookami 63]

The map is only a small part of Chernarus. It's possible that there are richer parts of Chernarus. Also bear in mind that there are graphical restrictions whereby rendering a full-sized city isn't really feasible, so it's possible that the 'cities' are the size of small villages because of that. Same with, say, Skyrim where NPCs describe battles involving thousands of soldiers when the cities are tiny and populated by, like, 50 people.

 

Plus it's a game. Realistically people don't leave cans of beans on the floor in the middle of a room. Have to make some allowances, even if that means ignoring how a poor farmer could possibly afford a WWII rifle. It's a game. It can only adhere to reality so closely.

I Leave my Beans on the Floor Cause Come the Apocolypse I want the Zombies to trip on the Heavy Cans of Beans Fall Waking me up And Give me time to escape B)

Also Works with Knifes if you want Some More Gore when they fall :lol:

[Askelon 36]

I'm not opposed to having US Military gear, so long as it's in Heli crash sites and excessively rare.

I do also agree that gear from other UN nations should appear in Helicopter crash sites, which should be equally rare.