ballistic knife

[Finchtastic 50]

I still think it would be awesome if they put in one of those Russian ballistic knifes.  It would cool to sneak up on someone, pop em with it and recover it off their body to use again, same for zeds and whatnot.  It would obviously be a cqc weapon, but I think it would be a pretty cool addition and would fit the theme of everything being in Russian lol.  It also adds a cool alternative to firearms, which most people think are too prevalent.

[stielhandgranate 480]

Those things were never issued equipment

[Katana67 2907]

It's got Russian in front of it, so, yeah... people will want it.

 

But back on the reasonable side of the planet, meh, I don't really see much utility in it. Which is perhaps why it was never a successful concept in the real world. If you're looking to cut something, a regular knife works just fine. If you're looking to shoot something, a regular firearm works just fine. If you're looking to shoot something silently, a bow-and-arrow or suppressed weapon works just fine.

[Whyherro123 2283]

People who like to point out the "stealth" aspects of the Ballistic Knife seem to forget that people have an absurd tendency to, -ahem-, scream like hell when stabbed.

 

So, take a knife (good), make it reeaaalllly unbalanced for CQC (bad), and make it into a short (AKA stabbing range) range, un-aerodynamic, inaccurate weapon ( stupidly bad).

 

Seems like people will want something, no matter how impractical, so long as it has "Soviet" or "Russian" in front of it. Guess they won the Cold War after all.....

[stielhandgranate 480]

Seems like people will want something, no matter how impractical, so long as it has "Soviet" or "Russian" in front of it. Guess they won the Cold War after all.....

 

Nah, they want it for it's popularity in COD. Look at how many people on the forums refer to sniper rifles and DMRs as "Snipers", or call magazines "Clips".

[Chaingunfighter 917]

The "Ballistic Knives" we think of were mostly made in the US and tested by the CIA during the 70s and 80s, there were no knives of that kind (knife launched) actually used by the Soviet Union (beyond experimentation), despite what Call of Duty and Deadliest Warrior have made some people believe. The only real use of these in Russia was by underground crime syndicates, but even these were just rudimentary and improvised - there was no real set design.

 

However, the Russians did create a "ballistic" knife of sorts - the NRS-2. Unlike the spring knives we think of, the NRS-2 shoots out a 7.62x42mm SP-3 from the knife's handle, designed for emergency survival situations. These are still issued to modern Spetsnaz today as personal defense weapons, although in what quantity I'm not exactly sure. I could stand behind them adding these as an Mi-8 crashsite spawn item, though the fact that it uses a unique caliber is somewhat detrimental (they could just make it a one-time use thing).

 

 

Beyond that, Katana67 made his point - firearms and knives simply work better when in their own roles, not combined.

[Finchtastic 50]

It's got Russian in front of it, so, yeah... people will want it.

 

But back on the reasonable side of the planet, meh, I don't really see much utility in it. Which is perhaps why it was never a successful concept in the real world. If you're looking to cut something, a regular knife works just fine. If you're looking to shoot something, a regular firearm works just fine. If you're looking to shoot something silently, a bow-and-arrow or suppressed weapon works just fine.

Cool, so you don't like it then don't comment.  I personally couldn't care less what your opinion is.  You can't call it an unsuccessful concept, because I've seen one fired and it would fkn kill you very easily, believe me.  Now, take your shitty condescending attitude elsewhere before you get my topic closed for people who actually have something CONSTRUCTIVE to say.  Goodbye.

Edited October 20, 2014 by Finchtastic

[Finchtastic 50]

People who like to point out the "stealth" aspects of the Ballistic Knife seem to forget that people have an absurd tendency to, -ahem-, scream like hell when stabbed.

 

So, take a knife (good), make it reeaaalllly unbalanced for CQC (bad), and make it into a short (AKA stabbing range) range, un-aerodynamic, inaccurate weapon ( stupidly bad).

 

Seems like people will want something, no matter how impractical, so long as it has "Soviet" or "Russian" in front of it. Guess they won the Cold War after all.....

So you don't think people will scream getting hit by an arrow?  Or would you rely on a silenced weapon, that's still louder a .22?  Also, these things are specifically weighted to fly a certain way, just like throwing knives, they are not unbalanced nor are they "un-aerodynamic", they are also close range so accuracy isn't much of a factor, because if you miss from 5-10 feet, you suck.  Just because you have no idea what you're talking about, doesn't mean it's a bad idea.  If you're ignorant of something, don't comment.  OR here's an idea, maybe explain WHY you think it's a bad idea...nah, you'd rather just talk out your arse so you can get your e-points.  If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all...Didn't we all learn this when we were 5?

[Finchtastic 50]

Nah, they want it for it's popularity in COD. Look at how many people on the forums refer to sniper rifles and DMRs as "Snipers", or call magazines "Clips".

I haven't played COD since highschool (been 10 years since I was a freshmen).  Anyone who calls a sniper a DMR is an idiot, they are 2 entirely different weapons, used from entirely different ranges for entirely different purposes.  People who call magazines clips have always ticked me off.  For the LAST time people, if you don't have anything constuctive, just don't fkn comment.  You've no idea what I'm thinking, don't act like you do.

[Finchtastic 50]

The "Ballistic Knives" we think of were mostly made in the US and tested by the CIA during the 70s and 80s, there were no knives of that kind (knife launched) actually used by the Soviet Union (beyond experimentation), despite what Call of Duty and Deadliest Warrior have made some people believe. The only real use of these in Russia was by underground crime syndicates, but even these were just rudimentary and improvised - there was no real set design.

 

However, the Russians did create a "ballistic" knife of sorts - the NRS-2. Unlike the spring knives we think of, the NRS-2 shoots out a 7.62x42mm SP-3 from the knife's handle, designed for emergency survival situations. These are still issued to modern Spetsnaz today as personal defense weapons, although in what quantity I'm not exactly sure. I could stand behind them adding these as an Mi-8 crashsite spawn item, though the fact that it uses a unique caliber is somewhat detrimental (they could just make it a one-time use thing).

 

 

Beyond that, Katana67 made his point - firearms and knives simply work better when in their own roles, not combined.

I've seen these before actually, pretty cool... Also, what happens if you need to take someone out and all you have is a knife (or there are people around so you can't use a firearm) but you can't get close without them seeing you...Don't you wish you could just launch that knife in that situation?  I do...Firearms and knives may work great in their own roles, but situations like this where neither are applicable without risking your life, in comes the ballistic knife.  It also is great for the survival aspect because unlike rare firearms and rare ammo in an apocalypse, you can just go grab the knife and use it again.  It's silent so it won't attract more zombies/players.  It can be used as a regular knife as well, so if you have one you won't need another one so it can be used as a weapon and a tool.  It just seems like a good weapon for this kind of game, imho.

[stielhandgranate 480]

I haven't played COD since highschool (been 10 years since I was a freshmen).  Anyone who calls a sniper a DMR is an idiot, they are 2 entirely different weapons, used from entirely different ranges for entirely different purposes.  People who call magazines clips have always ticked me off.  For the LAST time people, if you don't have anything constuctive, just don't fkn comment.  You've no idea what I'm thinking, don't act like you do.

 

Its nice to see you don't play the call of duty series but you can not deny that ballistic knifes have gained notoriety from the video game in question. Also I was referring to calling a sniper rifle like the M24 a "sniper". A sniper is a specialist that uses the rifle in question. Calling a sniper rifle a "sniper" comes from video game slang to shorten sentences during online gaming.

[Finchtastic 50]

The "Ballistic Knives" we think of were mostly made in the US and tested by the CIA during the 70s and 80s, there were no knives of that kind (knife launched) actually used by the Soviet Union (beyond experimentation), despite what Call of Duty and Deadliest Warrior have made some people believe. The only real use of these in Russia was by underground crime syndicates, but even these were just rudimentary and improvised - there was no real set design.

 

However, the Russians did create a "ballistic" knife of sorts - the NRS-2. Unlike the spring knives we think of, the NRS-2 shoots out a 7.62x42mm SP-3 from the knife's handle, designed for emergency survival situations. These are still issued to modern Spetsnaz today as personal defense weapons, although in what quantity I'm not exactly sure. I could stand behind them adding these as an Mi-8 crashsite spawn item, though the fact that it uses a unique caliber is somewhat detrimental (they could just make it a one-time use thing).

 

 

Beyond that, Katana67 made his point - firearms and knives simply work better when in their own roles, not combined.

Also, originally it was an Eastern European concept from the late 70's, early 80's...It was first marketed in the mid-80's in the US, but it was a concept from Eastern Europe, which is like 60% Russia hahaha.  But you're right, it was never a "spetznaz weapon", however it was designed in what I assume to be either Russia (most likely) or another Eastern European weapon manufacturing country, maybe like Czechoslovakia or something.  Either way, it still fits the narrative.

[stielhandgranate 480]

I've seen these before actually, pretty cool... Also, what happens if you need to take someone out and all you have is a knife (or there are people around so you can't use a firearm) but you can't get close without them seeing you...Don't you wish you could just launch that knife in that situation?  I do...Firearms and knives may work great in their own roles, but situations like this where neither are applicable without risking your life, in comes the ballistic knife. 

 

You face the problem that:

 

1) It isn't a item that is issued or mass produced and sold to the public, military or civilian.

 

2) Even if you had one of the 80s era examples that were sold in solider of fortune magazine ads, killing or disabling a human without making noise would be very difficult. They don't have sights, so you can't aim for a vital area with ease from a reasonable distance. Also thick clothing like a chest rig or even a toggle coat could prevent the blade from penetrating deep. I doubt the spring shown in cutaways of a ballistic knife could launch the blade with enough force to bypass these obstacles.

Edited October 20, 2014 by Dale Gribble

[Finchtastic 50]

Its nice to see you don't play the call of duty series but you can not deny that ballistic knifes have gained notoriety from the video game in question. Also I was referring to calling a sniper rifle like the M24 a "sniper". A sniper is a specialist that uses the rifle in question. Calling a sniper rifle a "sniper" comes from video game slang to shorten sentences during online gaming.

Well, in all combat situations that would be preferable.  The faster you can communicate, the more effective you will be.  This applies to any team activity.  I personally don't find calling a sniper rifle a "sniper" as irritating as someone calling a magazine a clip...But I suppose that's just me, lol.

[Finchtastic 50]

You face the problem that:

 

1) It isn't a item that is issued or mass produced and sold to the public, military or civilian.

 

2) Even if you had one of the 80s era examples that were sold in solider of fortune magazine ads, killing or disabling a human without making noise would be very difficult. They don't have sights, so you can't aim for a vital area with ease from a reasonable distance. Also thick clothing like a chest rig or even a toggle coat could prevent the blade from penetrating deep. I doubt the spring shown in cutaways of a ballistic knife could launch the blade with enough force to bypass these obstacles.

Not true, it was mass produced early on and are still legal to own and sell within state boundries, depending on the state.  Also, it's a knife.  It will penetrate almost anything the point hits, especially clothes.  Do you know the reason it was banned (well, kind of banned-ish) in the US?  The reason is that someone gave testimony to congress that the knife would penetrate police vests...So the clothing thing isn't really an issue.  Also, "a reasonable distance" is a moot point, as it's not meant to be a ranged weapon.  The blade only fires a few yards, at most.  It's best used as a knife, when you can't get close enough to use a knife. 

Edited October 20, 2014 by Finchtastic

[stielhandgranate 480]

Not true, it was mass produced early on and are still legal to own and sell within state boundries, depending on the state.  Also, it's a knife.  It will penetrate almost anything the point hits, especially clothes.  Do you know the reason it was banned (well, kind of banned-ish) in the US?  The reason is that someone gave testimony to congress that the knife would penetrate police vests...So the clothing thing isn't really an issue.  Also, "a reasonable distance" is a moot point, as it's not meant to be a ranged weapon.  The blade only fires a few yards, at most.  It's best used as a knife, when you can't get close enough to use a knife.

 

Few things with that. There are no vendors selling ballistic knives. Most people claiming to sell these things in the US tend to be phishing scams. They are very rare and many people possessing them are hesitant to sell them due to convoluted laws regarding their ownership and transfer. Even if such a device could penetrate a second chance vest, it may not have enough energy after defeating the vest to inflict a serious wound. This is an issue that comes up when using hollow point ammo on armored or heavily clothed people. 

[Finchtastic 50]

Few things with that. There are no vendors selling ballistic knives. Most people claiming to sell these things in the US tend to be phishing scams. They are very rare and many people possessing them are hesitant to sell them due to convoluted laws regarding their ownership and transfer. Even if such a device could penetrate a second chance vest, it may not have enough energy after defeating the vest to inflict a serious wound. This is an issue that comes up when using hollow point ammo on armored or heavily clothed people. 

There are no vendors because you cannot import them across state lines.  If there were a place making them within state lines, I bet there would be.  The laws are pretty straight forward, if you own or sell one over state lines, it's illegal.  If you make, own or sell one in state (so long as it's legal in said state) it's legal.  However, the law was passed in a bill drafted to destroy drug crops in another country, so I can see how it seems convoluted from the get-go.  Also, the blade being weighted not only helps the blade fly right, but it also helps with penetration.  Also, if it doesn't inflict a wound...Then that IS the purpose of a vest, isn't it?  Also, in this country, I wouldn't be surprised if that testimony was a crock of shit...But hey, that's the history, I can't change it.

[Pandema 352]

Cool, so you don't like it then don't comment.  I personally couldn't care less what your opinion is.

 

I blame tumblr for this, maybe reddit too.

 

"I only want an echo chamber so I don't have to face the fact my ideas/opinions are shit!"

[Finchtastic 50]

I blame tumblr for this, maybe reddit too.

 

"I only want an echo chamber so I don't have to face the fact my ideas/opinions are shit!"

OR, you get people forcefully injecting their shit opinions unecessarily into other peoples posts, because they have literally nothing of value to say and can't find attention elsewhere.  No beans.

[Karmaterror 982]

OR, you get people forcefully injecting their shit opinions unecessarily into other peoples posts, because they have literally nothing of value to say and can't find attention elsewhere.  No beans.

 

Dude ya gotta be open to oppinions for and against your idea. Many times iv thought "yeeeah....they all love this"....then had the majority say "nahh don't like it". From a devs standpoint they need to guage how many are for and against an idea....so the more of each opinion that post the better. Sometimes the best little refinements to an idea come from a comment that dosent like it, then from those reasons it can be changed. Basically don't take it to heart, work your idea around the complaints :)

 

Im kinda of the thought that if it exists in real life there is no real reason not to include it. So I say sure put these in, maybe as a spawn in those small houses off towards the wilderness. The lore could be it was owned by a firearms enthusiast. But as others have said, if they were not issued to the army, then they shouldn't spawn at millbases. PS Should be pretty rare find I think :)

Edited October 21, 2014 by Karmaterror

[pale1776 375]

Cool, so you don't like it then don't comment. I personally couldn't care less what your opinion is. You can't call it an unsuccessful concept, because I've seen one fired and it would fkn kill you very easily, believe me. Now, take your shitty condescending attitude elsewhere before you get my topic closed for people who actually have something CONSTRUCTIVE to say. Goodbye.

Lose the attitude, people will take you seriously.

The CoD concept of a 10 yard shot is false. It may fly that far, but it wouldnt have enough killing power. These arent really even meant for 5-10 feet, its meant for this: Your in a knife fight, and your knife hand is pinned. Your about to be killed, so you shoot it, hoping that it either kills them or stuns them so you can jump back into the fight.

And your argument for arrows? Invalid. Ive dropped deer and hogs instantly with my bow and crossbow. Its not like a 4 inch knife blade with maybe a 20 pound spring (if its high quality and new) an arrow is a 2-3 foot long stick (or carbon fiber tube) with, on my bow a 90 pound draw, and my crossbow a 120 pound draw. So that 3 foot stick going 300 feet per second is going to rupture the heart, or be guaranteed to go through the head. A 4 inch blade going 50-100 feet per second, you would be lucky if 2 inches of the blade penetrated from 10 feet.

My source? Family friend, former Soviet era CIA.

And ask anyone on the forums, if I dont have a legitimate source or I myself have the knowledge (ballistics, firearms, how a person falls to the ground when shot) I manage to find it. And this is no different, Im correct.

[Finchtastic 50]

Dude ya gotta be open to oppinions for and against your idea. Many times iv thought "yeeeah....they all love this"....then had the majority say "nahh don't like it". From a devs standpoint they need to guage how many are for and against an idea....so the more of each opinion that post the better. Sometimes the best little refinements to an idea come from a comment that dosent like it, then from those reasons it can be changed. Basically don't take it to heart, work your idea around the complaints :)

 

Im kinda of the thought that if it exists in real life there is no real reason not to include it. So I say sure put these in, maybe as a spawn in those small houses off towards the wilderness. The lore could be it was owned by a firearms enthusiast. But as others have said, if they were not issued to the army, then they shouldn't spawn at millbases. PS Should be pretty rare find I think :)

Yeah, I get it.  However, the reasons given were either misguided, incorrect or just outright disrespectful.  If someone has a reason why they think it shouldn't be in there, by all means, say it.  But trying to belittle people, making baseless assumptions and accusations and flat out telling someone their ideas and opinions are shit, without having any reason to back your claim, is just pointless, childish and irritating.

[Finchtastic 50]

Lose the attitude, people will take you seriously.

The CoD concept of a 10 yard shot is false. It may fly that far, but it wouldnt have enough killing power. These arent really even meant for 5-10 feet, its meant for this: Your in a knife fight, and your knife hand is pinned. Your about to be killed, so you shoot it, hoping that it either kills them or stuns them so you can jump back into the fight.

And your argument for arrows? Invalid. Ive dropped deer and hogs instantly with my bow and crossbow. Its not like a 4 inch knife blade with maybe a 20 pound spring (if its high quality and new) an arrow is a 2-3 foot long stick (or carbon fiber tube) with, on my bow a 90 pound draw, and my crossbow a 120 pound draw. So that 3 foot stick going 300 feet per second is going to rupture the heart, or be guaranteed to go through the head. A 4 inch blade going 50-100 feet per second, you would be lucky if 2 inches of the blade penetrated from 10 feet.

My source? Family friend, former Soviet era CIA.

And ask anyone on the forums, if I dont have a legitimate source or I myself have the knowledge (ballistics, firearms, how a person falls to the ground when shot) I manage to find it. And this is no different, Im correct.

"lose the attitude, people will take you seriously"....."this is no different. I'm correct"....Yeah, contradictory and hypocritical posts hold zero value to me.  If you can't get your own standpoint straight, your comments hold little weight.

[Finchtastic 50]

Lose the attitude, people will take you seriously.

The CoD concept of a 10 yard shot is false. It may fly that far, but it wouldnt have enough killing power. These arent really even meant for 5-10 feet, its meant for this: Your in a knife fight, and your knife hand is pinned. Your about to be killed, so you shoot it, hoping that it either kills them or stuns them so you can jump back into the fight.

And your argument for arrows? Invalid. Ive dropped deer and hogs instantly with my bow and crossbow. Its not like a 4 inch knife blade with maybe a 20 pound spring (if its high quality and new) an arrow is a 2-3 foot long stick (or carbon fiber tube) with, on my bow a 90 pound draw, and my crossbow a 120 pound draw. So that 3 foot stick going 300 feet per second is going to rupture the heart, or be guaranteed to go through the head. A 4 inch blade going 50-100 feet per second, you would be lucky if 2 inches of the blade penetrated from 10 feet.

My source? Family friend, former Soviet era CIA.

And ask anyone on the forums, if I dont have a legitimate source or I myself have the knowledge (ballistics, firearms, how a person falls to the ground when shot) I manage to find it. And this is no different, Im correct.

Also, nobody said anything about a 10 yard shot...I specifically said "a few yards, at most" and even specifically said "5-10 feet".  Also, what does "dropping" helpless animals have to do with the sound a person makes when they're penetrated by ANY object?  For that matter, in what way does anything that you just said apply to this conversation?

[BeefBacon 1185]

Now, take your shitty condescending attitude elsewhere before you get my topic closed for people who actually have something CONSTRUCTIVE to say

 

 

If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all...Didn't we all learn this when we were 5?

 

Oh the irony.

 

Also, multiquote. Use it.

 

I've got no interest in ballistic knives. Could be neat, I suppose, but then having every weapon that has ever existed would also be neat. I don't see where it fits in.