101 vs AKM

[Bad Company 140]

Lets all consider this though;

 

* The range you'll want to consider engaging an enemy target at with either of these guns will be so small that the accuracy of both will suffice.

* The AKM hits slightly harder, but the problem is solved by a single extra bullet. With the amount of ammunition available for both weapons you are free to put a few extra into someone to make sure they stay down for good, and as such the damage is pretty much the same.

 

The only real advantage as I see it is that the AKM has its 75-round drum magazine, whereas the 101 has no other option available than the standard 30-round magazine.

Shortly said; it mostly boils down to which one you find first, which one you find the most ammo for, and which you personally prefer the most.

[kakysas666 191]

why do i have to test stats when i can pull them from the game files

 

this is like that AKM initial release where everyone said it had shit accuracy but was actually nospread

 

you're dumb and you should feel that way for trying to weasel out of this one

 

you don't have to do anything. Actually, it is obvious you don't even play game, just look at game files all the time.

 

If any of you people spent at least 5 minutes testing both guns instead of copy pasting game files, you'd see I am right. If I was wrong I would say "sorry guys, I was wrong". But I am not. If I hadn't tested those guns at distances 600 and 860 meters, I wouldn't claim anything.

 

I still prefer m4 all the way (especially in babycore).

Edited August 16, 2014 by MaxRain

[hellcane 63]

It's obvious you don't play the game max or you would know better. If you spent 5 minutes correctly testing both guns, you would understand.

[Xbow 362]

I think I felt my pants stir a little there :o

 

I've been looking quite closely at getting a Tikka T3 tactical in .308 to add to the collection as the writeups seem quite favourable towards it. I also found a rather nice aftermarket stock to put on from KRG (http://www.kineticresearchgroup.com/products/w3c.php). After that its just a question of a little gunsmithing to polish it up. 

Be assured those Finns know how to build a fucking proper  rifle :thumbsup:  Looking at that Tikka T3 and your intention to join it with the KRG stock has caused a stirring in my loins...............More Beans sir? 

 

Here is my next project. A fully tricked out Mauser K98 action with a lighter titanium firing pin, Picatiny rail, Timney trigger, fitted with an ER Shaw straight fluted  Varmint weight barrel  chambered for .264 Winchester Magnum.

 

The trick will be to retain its military appearance and the hardware so that it looks as stock as possible (I can and will free float the barrel and retain the hardware). Of course there will be no Iron sights fitted and the scope that I already have is  Weaver Tactical Grand Slam Rifle Scope 3-10x 40mm 1/10 Mil Adjustments Mil-Dot Reticle Matte (second Focal plane). For a back up sight I will use a 1 x Redfield Counterstrike Tactical 4 MOA  Red Dot Sight that can snap on to the Rail and return to Zero for use in brush and on night hunts.

 

And because I use a deliberate sling instead of a bipod I will install a sling swivel just to the rear of the barrel band I can use a sling swivel from a Type99 Arisaka to maintain the illusion. I have hopes that it will do a bit better than  .75 MOA in any case with a moderate accuracy load that delivers ~2800 fps the projectiles will be  traveling at 1530fps as they cross the 1000 yard mark and remain supersonic out to 1500 yards. I will be as happy as a clam if the Rifle and Me can print 10" groups at 1000 yards consistently.

 

On first impression the outside observer will see something like this (less the front and rear Iron sights and a slightly thicker barrel). http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/doctorxring/K98-Sniper.jpg

 

One of these days I will man up dig deep (very deep) and buy my wet dream  the  SAKO TRG-42 in .338 Lapua. I would like to do some long range antelope or mule deer hunting from a very civilized camouflaged and shaded dug out firing position with a lawn chair and a cooler full of bottled ice water, and just enough Manchester Brown Ale to lubricate the situation. It would be nice to drop a 300 grain .338 Berger bomb on one of those delicious critters at +1000 yards. Is it not a scientific fact tact that game meat tastes better if taken at long range :P  

 

 http://www.thespecialistsltd.com/files/imagecache/product/files/SAKO_TRG-42.jpg

 

I think you will be VERY pleased with your  Tikka T3 and KRG stock. A buddy of mine bought one and never put an aftermarket stock on it, he WAS a Rem 700 nut but he has now jumped ship to SAKO actions exclusively. 

 

This is you: 

https://demigodllc.com/photo/Ken-Class/small/D463_9453_img.jpg

 

The Tikka T3 with KRG stock is an awesome machine to be sure. You could kick a lot of ass with it at a 1000 yard match with that Machine  :)

Edited August 17, 2014 by Xbow

[Evil Minion 943]

And here's how you calculate percent difference in damage between the ammo types (I learned this from Gews). 

7.62x39 has a damage rating of 9.5.

5.56 has a damage rating of 8.

 

(9.5/8)^2 = 1.41

 

All you have to do is multiply that with the base damage values (5.56's) of blood/health/shock to find out how much damage ammo does. 

Voila, have some stats.

 

Round Shock (Head)| Shock| Blood| Health| Bleed Chance| Airspeed (m/s)| Stack Limit (rnds)    

7.62x39mm 28,200 705 -705 282 2.82 730 20    

5.56x45mm 20,000 500 -500 -200 2 884 30    

Where did you get those values from? Did you test this? Because it seems to me like nobody really did true tests on weapon damage and everyone is just guessing from experiences and/or citing the same (probably wrong/outdated) values.

[hotcakes 348]

Where did you get those values from? Did you test this? Because it seems to me like nobody really did true tests on weapon damage and everyone is just guessing from experiences and/or citing the same (probably wrong/outdated) values.

 

The game files for projectiles have the damage values for 5.56 listed. All the projectiles have a damage rating listed. You can use 5.56's damage values and damage rating to find out what damage other projectiles do.

[trev186 389]

Maybe Maxrain had a hidden hair line fracture in his arm when testing the AKM....

 

The AKMs only disadvantage over the AK101 is the AKM kicks harder and therefore requires more time inbetween shots at range...

 

Assuming you hit the target at 800 meters on the first shot both guns are equal in that sense.

 

The AKM has a better mag and more common ammo. i can deal with the kick when sniping at people from 800 meters cause I know my life is not in danger. However running out of ammo in a fire fight and having to reload 1.5x more often is not what Id prefer. 

[Evil Minion 943]

So:

 

AKM

- more damage

- can use the drum magazine

- easier to find ammo for

 

AK-101

- less recoil

- slightly easier to hit distant targets (higher airspeed)

- can carry more ammunition

[Forrelist 236]

So:

 

AKM

- more damage

- can use the drum magazine

- easier to find ammo for

 

AK-101

- less recoil

- slightly easier to hit distant targets (higher airspeed)

- can carry more ammunition

 

 

I'd argue that you can carry more ammunition for the AKM, that's if you have Drum magazines of course.

[kakysas666 191]

Maybe Maxrain had a hidden hair line fracture in his arm when testing the AKM....

 

The AKMs only disadvantage over the AK101 is the AKM kicks harder and therefore requires more time inbetween shots at range...

 

Assuming you hit the target at 800 meters on the first shot both guns are equal in that sense.

 

The AKM has a better mag and more common ammo. i can deal with the kick when sniping at people from 800 meters cause I know my life is not in danger. However running out of ammo in a fire fight and having to reload 1.5x more often is not what Id prefer. 

 

test both weapons at long range under same conditions. I specifically looked for ak101 because wanted to decide which weapon to keep, akm or ak101. Plastic stock, rail handguard, PSO and bipod, all pristine on both, AKM and AK101. With AKM I couldn't even see my bullets passed 500 meters, let alone seeing them at 860 meters, while I clearly saw hits on zombies with ak101 at 900 meters. All kids here only can point to stats but no one tested them both as it is obvious by their replies. So what else is there to argue? In game experience or copy pasting game file stats? I don't care that they are equal on paper, in a gameplay there is so big diference that I even don't bother with AKM anymore. That may or may not change in a future, but in .48 patch, AK101 is a clear winner in both, accuracy and less recoil, also the noise it produce is much lower.

[hombrecz 832]

AKM and AK101. With AKM I couldn't even see my bullets passed 500 meters, let alone seeing them at 860 meters, while I clearly saw hits on zombies with ak101 at 900 meters. All kids here only can point to stats but no one tested them both as it is obvious by their replies. So what else is there to argue? In game experience or copy pasting game file stats? I don't care that they are equal on paper, in a gameplay there is so big diference that I even don't bother with AKM anymore. That may or may not change in a future, but in .48 patch, AK101 is a clear winner in both, accuracy and less recoil, also the noise it produce is much lower.

 

Weird I can't see flying bullets at all, except for tracers ofc.

Also saying you don't bother with AKM anymore sounds bit idiotic.

In postapocalyptic world you would cream your pants finding AKM more so with drum mag.

 

Oh well, enjoy your tailored AK101 supremacy, but don't be surprised when somebody kicks your bum with AKM though.

[Legio23 82]

Be assured those Finns know how to build a fucking proper  rifle :thumbsup:  Looking at that Tikka T3 and your intention to join it with the KRG stock has caused a stirring in my loins...............More Beans sir? 

 

Here is my next project. A fully tricked out Mauser K98 action with a lighter titanium firing pin, Picatiny rail, Timney trigger, fitted with an ER Shaw straight fluted  Varmint weight barrel  chambered for .264 Winchester Magnum.

 

The trick will be to retain its military appearance and the hardware so that it looks as stock as possible (I can and will free float the barrel and retain the hardware). Of course there will be no Iron sights fitted and the scope that I already have is  Weaver Tactical Grand Slam Rifle Scope 3-10x 40mm 1/10 Mil Adjustments Mil-Dot Reticle Matte (second Focal plane). For a back up sight I will use a 1 x Redfield Counterstrike Tactical 4 MOA  Red Dot Sight that can snap on to the Rail and return to Zero for use in brush and on night hunts.

 

And because I use a deliberate sling instead of a bipod I will install a sling swivel just to the rear of the barrel band I can use a sling swivel from a Type99 Arisaka to maintain the illusion. I have hopes that it will do a bit better than  .75 MOA in any case with a moderate accuracy load that delivers ~2800 fps the projectiles will be  traveling at 1530fps as they cross the 1000 yard mark and remain supersonic out to 1500 yards. I will be as happy as a clam if the Rifle and Me can print 10" groups at 1000 yards consistently.

 

On first impression the outside observer will see something like this (less the front and rear Iron sights and a slightly thicker barrel). http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/doctorxring/K98-Sniper.jpg

 

One of these days I will man up dig deep (very deep) and buy my wet dream  the  SAKO TRG-42 in .338 Lapua. I would like to do some long range antelope or mule deer hunting from a very civilized camouflaged and shaded dug out firing position with a lawn chair and a cooler full of bottled ice water, and just enough Manchester Brown Ale to lubricate the situation. It would be nice to drop a 300 grain .338 Berger bomb on one of those delicious critters at +1000 yards. Is it not a scientific fact tact that game meat tastes better if taken at long range :P  

 

 http://www.thespecialistsltd.com/files/imagecache/product/files/SAKO_TRG-42.jpg

 

I think you will be VERY pleased with your  Tikka T3 and KRG stock. A buddy of mine bought one and never put an aftermarket stock on it, he WAS a Rem 700 nut but he has now jumped ship to SAKO actions exclusively. 

 

This is you: 

https://demigodllc.com/photo/Ken-Class/small/D463_9453_img.jpg

 

The Tikka T3 with KRG stock is an awesome machine to be sure. You could kick a lot of ass with it at a 1000 yard match with that Machine  :)

Which Timney you going to be adding the sportsman or featherweight delux?

As for the ER Shaw barrel, well, 'nuff said really....

going to keep the original safety or go for a low profile ?

The scope will be a nice match for that rifle, I must admit I have a weakness for leopold and zeiss scopes myself though have been looking quite closely at the nightforce scopes as quite a few of the guys I know that have them love 'em.

I would be pretty sure that you should be sub 1 MOA with that rifle.

Are you doing the work yourself or getting it gunsmithed for you ? The trigger job and firing pin replacement are straightforward enough barrel is going to be a bit more of a bitch.

 

Oh and yet another thread hijacked by real gun nuts hehehe

[Evil Minion 943]

I'd argue that you can carry more ammunition for the AKM, that's if you have Drum magazines of course.

You won't be able to fill your inventory with tons of magazines, let alone drum magazines. And for each two slots filled with 5.56mm round you need three slots filled with 7.62x39mm rounds.

 

There is a possibility that other factors also play a role in damage:

• body part hit (confirmed)
• clothing (confirmed)
• distance to target (unconfirmed)

Maybe the AK-101 only seems to be stronger over greater distances because of the higher bullet velocity (you are more likely to hit where you want to hit).

[kakysas666 191]

If people spent at least half of the time testing weapons in game instead of trying to argue on forums they'd quickly learn what I meant when I said that Ak101 is "x more times accurate" than AKM. It just shows how many amateurs post on these forums pretending to know everything.

 

Weird I can't see flying bullets at all, except for tracers ofc.

Also saying you don't bother with AKM anymore sounds bit idiotic.

In postapocalyptic world you would cream your pants finding AKM more so with drum mag.

 

Oh well, enjoy your tailored AK101 supremacy, but don't be surprised when somebody kicks your bum with AKM though.

 

 

nobody said about flying bullets anything. Are you making a strawman trying to disprove ingame facts when you have no argument? Go back to DayZ and git gud for once. Next time you will be spouting "le alpha it is just a place holder" meme. The rest of your post is irrelevant.

Edited August 19, 2014 by MaxRain

[trev186 389]

If people spent at least half of the time testing weapons in game instead of trying to argue on forums they'd quickly learn what I meant when I said that Ak101 is "x more times accurate" than AKM. It just shows how many amateurs post on these forums pretending to know everything.

 

 

 

nobody said about flying bullets anything. Are you making a strawman trying to disprove ingame facts when you have no argument? Go back to DayZ and git gud for once. Next time you will be spouting "le alpha it is just a place holder" meme. The rest of your post is irrelevant.

U cant call ur personal undocumented exp a fact.

Espeically when it disagrees with data from the game files and from several well done weapon comparison videos...

Like I said I have tested the AK101 at all ranges and my personal exp (in your words fact) is the AK101 is no more accurate than the AKM when firing a single shot.

Trying to fire multiple shots accurately takes more time with the AKM due to kick but aside from that the accuracy both guns is either same or only slightly different.

But make all the excuses u want and state that my testing is not as good as yours. I tested at ranges of 100 meter increments up to 1000 per dayzdb map.

I tested several shots with both guns cause I like to try out all new weapons to get to know their capabilities and for something to do.

As for debating the game files the game is coded on them....it cannot just deviate and be 10x more accurate for the hell of it unless something other than the weapon itself is at play like a broken arm causing massive weapon swing or something else.

[kakysas666 191]

If you tested them, you would have told a distance and what exactly you tested. Now it seems you are simply mad at me that your beloved AKM is proved to be shit gun. I know that I should have recorded my tests, I think I will do it next time I aquire shitty AKM. For now I just want people to try themselves.. and yet again you appeal to mysterious game files... if instead of copy pasting other peoples ideas you tried to play the game, you would know what I mean. There are models of weapons in game files that aren't even in a game. Does that make those weapons TRUE? Hey, I will go look for a gun that is in game files but doesn't exist in a game, ok?

 

There even was a VIDEO posted here which proved that before the 48 patch ak101 was much much better than AKM in terms of accuracy and recoil, yet you somehow missed it... Now devs improved both weapons, but the difference left the same.

Edited August 19, 2014 by MaxRain

[Dagwood 680]

When the AKM was first released and the dispersion values were at 0, I made an argument in a thread about how the AKM was currently the most accurate rifle hands down. Etherimp politely reminded me that the M4 had less recoil in addition to A FLATTER BULLET TRAJECTORY.

A flatter trajectory equates to easier and more forgiving zeroing of your rifle ie a 450 meter shot zeroed at 400 meters will be more "accurate" with a 5.56mm round than with a 7.62x39mm round. (Less compensation between 100 yard zeroing increments is required)

For this reason, I would agree with maxrain's observation that it is easier to put rounds on target at long range with the AK101 than with the AKM; despite the fact that both weapons have identical base dispersion values.

[trev186 389]

If you tested them, you would have told a distance and what exactly you tested. Now it seems you are simply mad at me that your beloved AKM is proved to be shit gun. I know that I should have recorded my tests, I think I will do it next time I aquire shitty AKM. For now I just want people to try themselves.. and yet again you appeal to mysterious game files... if instead of copy pasting other peoples ideas you tried to play the game, you would know what I mean. There are models of weapons in game files that aren't even in a game. Does that make those weapons TRUE? Hey, I will go look for a gun that is in game files but doesn't exist in a game, ok?

 

There even was a VIDEO posted here which proved that before the 48 patch ak101 was much much better than AKM in terms of accuracy and recoil, yet you somehow missed it... Now devs improved both weapons, but the difference left the same.

I could make just about anything up that is the point just like u can!

So u have proven absolutely nothing. On he other hand game files and legit videos showing results paint a different story than your "word"

Without a video showing your results in detail under controlled testing conditions anything you or I say is pure conjecture.

Not mad about anything actually I enjoy both guns and have used both on several occasions.

I feel the need to reply cause u continue to spread false information while trying to insult others

I encourage others to test both guns themselves and choose based on personal preference.

why do I care which AK someone uses ?

[kakysas666 191]

Eh, kids these days. You say them to test it, they don't listen. Believe what you wanna believe, trev186 :)

[trev186 389]

Eh, kids these days. You say them to test it, they don't listen. Believe what you wanna believe, trev186 :)

My friend I have tested it and HAVE said I tested it many times.

Just as you have stated u have tested it but provided no proof.

Therefore I declare u have never tested either gun....since you seem to be able to tell that I have never tested them I can with my powers of ESP sense that you have neither despite the fact we both claim otherwise

;)

Seriously each person has their own preferences in weapon and the advantages of one over the other are not so HUGE as you state as a fact

[kakysas666 191]

What distance have you tested? Why haven't you responded to the fact that there was a VIDEO which was made even before 48 patch showing how SHIT AKM is and how accurate Ak101 is?

[Bigbadchuck 97]

Ok. You guys blew this way out of proportion. I ran around the GAME with a full kitted 101 for a few days and then swaped the parts to an AKM and for the dealing with problems in game I have concluded that the AKM is much better

[kakysas666 191]

I don't talk about preferences here, if you haven't noticed. All this debate was about accuracy comparison between AK101 and AKM. I think m4 with magpull parts is better, so what? It is still almost impossible to hit a stationary target passed 600 meters with m4. 800 would be total hardcore. While with AK101 I can shoot a zombie with mere 6 tries at 900 meters. Why 6? Because thanks to magnificent DayZ engine, hits sometimes doesn't register on zombies, or if they do, they aren't shown, or if they are shown, zombies don't die instantly and disappear only after a while so it is hard to tell you missed or not.

Edited August 20, 2014 by MaxRain

[Bororm 1156]

It's fucking pointless to shoot 5.56 at those distances any ways unless you're trying to tickle some one.

 

It's like this.  The AKM has more damage but more recoil, the AK101 has less dmg and less recoil.  Use which ever one you prefer.

[kakysas666 191]

It's fucking pointless to shoot 5.56 at those distances any ways unless you're trying to tickle some one.

 

It's like this.  The AKM has more damage but more recoil, the AK101 has less dmg and less recoil.  Use which ever one you prefer.

 

You either never played the game or just surprisingly never used m4 or ak101. I constantly kill people with just one bullet from 5.56 (aka headshots) so to say it's just a "tickle" shows how much git gud you need in your life. Of course it is hard to find a fully geared person that would stand still for me at the distance of 800 meters so I can shoot him. But with AKM your bullets wont even travel this far, they fly god knows where but not where you aim.

 

it takes 4 mosin shots to blow up a gas station but only 3  5.56 rounds of m4 to do the same. Is mosin just a tickle? Oh wait, you said m4 rounds are a tickle. Accurate shots from m4 are as deadly as from any other weapons, only people spraying and praying miss every shot then complain how their gun is innacurate and only "tickles" people.

 

Anyway, this thread (I am repeating 10th time) isn't about amount of damage or preferences, it is about how accurate a gun is. Be on topic.

Edited August 20, 2014 by MaxRain