Is the AKM or M4A1 Better?

[hotcakes 348]

Please show me indisputable proof that the AKM has no "spread" and the M4 does.

 

 

It's too much of a coincidence. The base M4 with no parts has a dispersion of 0.1. 

The base AKM has a dispersion of 0.008. Notice how it would be close to the M4's dispersion if you subtracted a zero...

 

Here are the dispersion modifiers for the attachments:

Wooden hand guard:  Nothing.

Railed hand guard (not in yet?):  -0.0440968

Wooden stock:  -0.0440968

Folding stock:  -0.0440968

 

It's like they copy-pasted the M4's stats and said "lol we'll fix it later."

 

Do the math. 

[Etherimp 1323]

Do the math.

That doesn't look like proof to me. That looks like a quote of someone talking about dispersion.

Please link to raw data taken from the latest patch.

[ZombinatoRR 18]

YOu might wanna find a gun which has an ammo you can actually find easily..

[hotcakes 348]

That doesn't look like proof to me. That looks like a quote of someone talking about dispersion.

Please link to raw data taken from the latest patch.

If you can't do 0.008 - 0.04 I can't help you with that.

These stats are direct fromm weapons_firearms and weapons_supports.

[infiltrator 275]

That doesn't look like proof to me. That looks like a quote of someone talking about dispersion.

Please link to raw data taken from the latest patch.

Bang that head of yours away at the wall than. That's all from the game files. If that isn't 'undisputable proof' I don't know what is. Also, checks out in practice.

[Etherimp 1323]

If you can't do 0.008 - 0.04 I can't help you with that.

These stats are direct fromm weapons_firearms and weapons_supports.

The math isn't the problem. When were these numbers taken from the files and where's a complete (updated) list of values from the current patch listed?

I'm not questioning that at some point these values were correct. I'm doubting that all of these values are still the same. Give me a reliable source so we're not basing our argument off of assumptions and/or incorrect data.

Show/explain to me precisely how I can go about getting these numbers so I can verify your data. If you can't do that then its not scientific.

[-Gews- 7443]

Show/explain to me precisely how I can go about getting these numbers so I can verify your data.

 

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\DayZ\Addons\weapons_firearms\DZ\weapons\firearms\AKM\config.cpp

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\DayZ\Addons\weapons_firearms\DZ\weapons\firearms\M4\config.cpp

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\DayZ\Addons\weapon_supports\DZ\weapons\attachments\support\config.cpp

[Etherimp 1323]

Bang that head of yours away at the wall than. That's all from the game files. If that isn't 'undisputable proof' I don't know what is. Also, checks out in practice.

Collected when and by who and how? As above: if you and I cannot verify those numbers ourselves then for all I know people on these forums are just talking out of their asses... Which happens all the time.

So show me how I can see these numbers myself and how I know they are the values the game is using.

[Etherimp 1323]

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\DayZ\Addons\weapons_firearms\DZ\weapons\firearms\AKM\config.cpp

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\DayZ\Addons\weapons_firearms\DZ\weapons\firearms\M4\config.cpp

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\DayZ\Addons\weapon_supports\DZ\weapons\attachments\support\config.cpp

Thank you. Will this also display the weight/dexterity values? What about kick/recoil?

Can I just view these files as a text file or do I need a specific program?

[-Gews- 7443]

Thank you. Will this also display the weight/dexterity values? What about kick/recoil?

Can I just view these files as a text file or do I need a specific program?

 

Yes it's all in there, but you need a DePBO tool and a tool to debinarize config.bin.

[Etherimp 1323]

Yes it's all in there, but you need a DePBO tool and a tool to debinarize config.bin.

Send me a pvt msg telling me how to get that stuff? I'm at work ATM.

[Irish. 4886]

Wow.. what a uh,.. productive conversation. 

 

I like whichever one Im currently holding, if its loaded. ;)

 

Its time some of you moved on from this convo and found other things to do I think.. just sayin' 

 

Edited July 9, 2014 by lrish

[Etherimp 1323]

Wow.. what a uh,.. productive conversation. 

 

I like whichever one Im currently holding, if its loaded. ;)

 

Its time some of you moved on from this convo and found other things to do I think.. just sayin' 

 

 

I don't think there's anything wrong with the conversation. People shouldn't just take what others say at face value and assume they're 100% informed. I make an effort to inform myself and verify facts rather than just buy whatever someone else is selling.

[Mark Darkers 151]

I wish they did not nerf any of the weapons, it is normal in this kind of situation that some weapons are better than others, I don't mind however making the better weapons more rare. The mod had tons of strong rifles, but they where rare and the ammo was sparse.

[zeroy 240]

Is rate of fire toggeable on AKM?

[Munson_fry (DayZ) 312]

i trust in Gews .... 

[xerpa 7]

I need 5.56mm ammo but i spent a lot of hours and i can´t find any Helicrash Site, is there spawning ??

[Vekaras 7]

IMO, if they want to follow the "realistic" way, or at least apply the usual "game stats meta", both weapons will have pros and cons : 

 

AKM will have a superior Accuracy per bullet than the M4, making it better for longer ranges than the M4

 

M4 will have a lower recoil per bullet, making it more controllable for sustained fire while AKM will requiere more trigger discipline to be efficient in full auto.

 

AKM will have a slower rof than the M4.

 

About durability, I'd say that the AKM should be better. It has been proven that the mechanics used by the AKs are among the most resilient to degradation by the environment...

 

 

Anyway, I'll probably not use those guns myself, I prefer my Blaze (and am eager to find an MP5K)...

[Forrelist 236]

I think the AKM is much more practical currently. You have an abundance of ammo, high damage, and decent accuracy with the PSO scope. The M4 spawns infrequently, as does the ammo, and needs many parts to be effective. I would definitely pick up and M4 if I saw one however, just due to its current rarity.