.380 ACP Coming To DayZ! [Torchia Reddit]

[Katana67 2907]

But the real question is; how would you feel if they added a Sig Sauer P226 and gave it .357 Magnum instead of .357 SIG?

 

I wouldn't feel anything, because they would (ostensibly) never do that with 9x19 staring them in the face.

 

I just can't justify adding any more pistol cartridges at this juncture, when there are more ammunition categories (see battle rifle cartridges) which need some love.

[gibonez 3633]

I wouldn't feel anything, because they would (ostensibly) never do that with 9x19 staring them in the face.

 

I just can't justify adding any more pistol cartridges at this juncture, when there are more ammunition categories (see battle rifle cartridges) which need some love.

 

What battle rifle cartridges are there aside from 7.62 nato ?

[Katana67 2907]

What battle rifle cartridges are there aside from 7.62 nato ?

 

7.62x54R

 

EDIT - It's worth mentioning that I mean, "rifle" cartridges... as in, not intermediate cartridges.

Edited June 28, 2014 by Katana67

[Chaingunfighter 917]

7.62x54R

 

EDIT - It's worth mentioning that I mean, "rifle" cartridges... as in, not intermediate cartridges.

I really hope they do 7.62x54mmR at some point. It would make a good way to separate the majority of "civilian/former military weapons" from the essentially exclusive military calibers. Obviously some inevitable discrepancies will occur, like the SVD & PKM, but most of the 7.62x54mmR guns could be civilian type (like the Mosin & SVT-40). That way, you could make 7.62x51mm an essentially dedicated military cartridge. The LongHorn would have to be changed, but no .308 Contenders exist anyway, so there's no real problem in doing that.

 

And you wouldn't suffer any problems by doing so. An M700 could either be changed to 5.56x45mm or simply be added as an M24. You could have the M14, FN FAL, G3A3, SR-25, M60, M240, and everything you wanted!

5.56x45mm is where problems might arise, but there's much less overall variation in .223 types of guns than .308 guns. You'd really be going from a few bolt-action/semi-automatic rifles and assault rifles to an M249, whereas 7.62x51mm would be going from a break-action pistol, to bolt-action rifles, to semi-automatic battle rifles, to sniper rifles, to general purpose machine guns of both western and eastern types.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

I disagree the weapon selection in this game is actually imaginative.

 

They opted to not go the traditional route that 99 percent of games follow.

 

Thus far they haven't settled into the usual shooting game cliche of having whatever hot new obscure weapon in the game.

 

Thus far none of the tradional Scars, no xm8s, no magpul masadas, no ACRs, no Tavors, none of the usual game cliche guns are in dayz.

 

I mean what other game has the gaul to add a cz527 a beautiful rifle that civilian shooters have come to love and it truly is a unique rifle in the market.

 

 

You can say alot of bad things about dayz but one of them is not that the weapon selection is boring.

It would be boring if the firearm roster was the same as 90 percent of shooters out there but thankfully that is not the case.

The TAR-21 isn't actually that bad of a weapon, it's found in quite a few places. In fact, it's actually used by Ukraine, Georgia, Macedonia, Azerbaijan, and Turkey, all of which are relatively close to where Chernarus would be situated. I'd rather see an M16A1/A2 and Galil first, as they're much more widespread, but it's not the worst weapon to have (it also uses STANAG magazines, unlike the Galil and AUG, which are my other two top contenders for a non-AR 5.56x45mm assault rifle)

[Deathlove 2286]

 

"...we're adding 380 Auto. Baikal made a Makarov pistol in 380 and there was a version of the RAK in that caliber too..." ~ Chris Torchia

 

http://www.reddit.com/user/Scubaman3D

 

This is neat! Although, I'm not particularly seeing the utility in adding yet another pistol round (when we desperately, in my opinion, need a dedicated "hunting" cartridge and one or two more rifle/assault rifle cartridges). Plus, I don't find many of the typical weapons in .380 ACP all that interesting. But the more the merrier.

 

I know we were getting a pump shotgun latter to but honestly that field is sorely very much so lacking as well. Well here is hopping they add a few more shotgun models in.

 

As far as the gun is concerned though not to excited for this upcoming pistol but to be honest if its as good as the FNX i might use it. It all depends on the reliability and stopping power of the weapon to me.

[Katana67 2907]

I really hope they do 7.62x54mmR at some point. It would make a good way to separate the majority of "civilian/former military weapons" from the essentially exclusive military calibers. Obviously some inevitable discrepancies will occur, like the SVD & PKM, but most of the 7.62x54mmR guns could be civilian type (like the Mosin & SVT-40). That way, you could make 7.62x51mm an essentially dedicated military cartridge. The LongHorn would have to be changed, but no .308 Contenders exist anyway, so there's no real problem in doing that.

 

And you wouldn't suffer any problems by doing so. An M700 could either be changed to 5.56x45mm or simply be added as an M24. You could have the M14, FN FAL, G3A3, SR-25, M60, M240, and everything you wanted!

5.56x45mm is where problems might arise, but there's much less overall variation in .223 types of guns than .308 guns. You'd really be going from a few bolt-action/semi-automatic rifles and assault rifles to an M249, whereas 7.62x51mm would be going from a break-action pistol, to bolt-action rifles, to semi-automatic battle rifles, to sniper rifles, to general purpose machine guns of both western and eastern types.

 

Eh, to be honest I think I'd just pass on a 700 altogether if I had a gun to my head (or another choice). There are other "generic bolt-actions" to take its place, especially as high-end sniper rifles... which could be chambered in specific rounds. Again, not opposed to it, but it's passable for me. For them to include something like a vanilla M24 or M40 in, they'd have to first make 7.62x51 rare for me to even consider it.

 

I'm not sure I want 7.62x54R to be a distinctly "civilian" round, I just want it to be less common than 7.62x51 NATO overall. Doesn't matter to me that it can be used in SVDs and PKMs. So, you can still have that PKM chambered in 7.62x54R but you can also have the rarer M240 (or whichever GPMG you like) in 7.62x51.

 

The way I hammered it out in my proposal was .30-06 = common, 7.62x54R = uncommon, 7.62x51 = rare.

 

EDIT - In my opinion, it's a bad move to have the CZ 527 chambered in 5.56x45. I'd much rather it be chambered in 7.62x39, because it's an ostensibly "common" hunting rifle which is now chambered in a round that's only otherwise used in the rarest weapon in the game so far.

 

5.56x45 should be the NATO assault rifle cartridge (G36, L85A2, M4A1, etc.)

 

Perhaps with the exception of an M249.

 

But, I don't see any reason why it has to be, or should be, applied in other areas.

Edited June 28, 2014 by Katana67

[Chaingunfighter 917]

I know we were getting a pump shotgun latter to but honestly that field is sorely very much so lacking as well. Well here is hopping they add a few more shotgun models in.

 

As far as the gun is concerned though not to excited for this upcoming pistol but to be honest if its as good as the FNX i might use it. It all depends on the reliability and stopping power of the weapon to me.

They haven't actually confirmed it, but they probably will make it given their statements. But If you're hoping for some super powerful end-game pistol, the Makarov is not what you're looking for. It's 8 round capacity (not sure about the .380 variant), super compact and low stopping power. However, it's a very reliable handgun, so if that ever becomes an important factor, the Makarov will be a pretty good choice.

It's what the pistol you used to start out with in the mod was, although it hopefully won't be as horrible (it took 3 magazines before to kill someone, but that was because of the bad blood system).

I'd definitely take an FNX-45 over a Makarov any day, ammunition issues aside. But once the game starts to become balanced after the weapons list is expanded upon more and the game is in its later stages, the FNX-45 and .45 ammo in general will most likely be very limited. You'll have to rely on guns like the Makarov more often.

 

Shotguns could use some work, I'll admit, but we're getting a pump-action MP-133 soon and there will probably be that Remington 870 they showed off a while ago at some point.

[gibonez 3633]

The TAR-21 isn't actually that bad of a weapon, it's found in quite a few places. In fact, it's actually used by Ukraine, Georgia, Macedonia, Azerbaijan, and Turkey, all of which are relatively close to where Chernarus would be situated. I'd rather see an M16A1/A2 and Galil first, as they're much more widespread, but it's not the worst weapon to have (it also uses STANAG magazines, unlike the Galil and AUG, which are my other two top contenders for a non-AR 5.56x45mm assault rifle)

 

I never said it was a bad weapon I merely said it follows in the standard roster of guns seen in military shooters nowadays.

 

As far as military assault rifles that do not fit the mold I would like to see this trend continue and see unique weapons that are often ignored in other shooters such as the following.

 

 

Ak5

 

 

Galil Sar

 

 

Rk95

 

 

Ukranian military Vepr

 

But ultimately the military rifle assault rifle I wish to see the most in the game with its correct caliber is the

 

.

 

The ak74 in Polish plum furniture.

 

If there is a full sized m16 rifle in the game I would love for it to be the m16a2 version. Such an Iconic gun.

Edited June 28, 2014 by gibonez

[Katana67 2907]

I know we were getting a pump shotgun latter to but honestly that field is sorely very much so lacking as well. Well here is hopping they add a few more shotgun models in.

 

As far as the gun is concerned though not to excited for this upcoming pistol but to be honest if its as good as the FNX i might use it. It all depends on the reliability and stopping power of the weapon to me.

 

But the ammunition used in shotguns is pretty clear-cut.

 

It's 12-gauge... or 12-gauge...

 

So it's not like they really have anywhere else to go. Yes, I'm aware that they've indicated that .410 will be in and I'm aware that 10-gauge (amongst others) exists.

 

But they could just as easily have gone with 12-gauge and not been really limited on the amount of shotguns available to be added.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Eh, to be honest I think I'd just pass on a 700 altogether if I had a gun to my head (or another choice). There are other "generic bolt-actions" to take its place, especially as high-end sniper rifles... which could be chambered in specific rounds. Again, not opposed to it, but it's passable for me. For them to include something like a vanilla M24 or M40 in, they'd have to first make 7.62x51 rare for me to even consider it.

 

I'm not sure I want 7.62x54R to be a distinctly "civilian" round, I just want it to be less common than 7.62x51 NATO overall. Doesn't matter to me that it can be used in SVDs and PKMs. So, you can still have that PKM chambered in 7.62x54R but you can also have the rarer M240 (or whichever GPMG you like) in 7.62x51.

 

The way I hammered it out in my proposal was .30-06 = common, 7.62x54R = uncommon, 7.62x51 = rare.

 

EDIT - In my opinion, it's a bad move to have the CZ 527 chambered in 5.56x45. I'd much rather it be chambered in 7.62x39, because it's an ostensibly "common" hunting rifle which is now chambered in a round that's only otherwise used in the rarest weapon in the game so far.

 

5.56x45 should be the NATO assault rifle cartridge (G36, L85A2, M4A1, etc.)

 

Perhaps with the exception of an M249.

 

But, I don't see any reason why it has to be, or should be, applied in other areas.

I'm not saying I like the fact that we have to make a choice, but I just don't see the reasoning for limiting 5.56x45mm over 7.62x51mm. 7.62x54mmR isn't supposed to be distinctly civilian, but 7.62x51mm is supposed to be distinctly military.

The functionality of most NATO assault rifles is the same. G36, L85, M4A1, M16, you name it. They're all going to perform essentially the same. There are plenty of obvious differences, but in the end it's not game changing (a soldier with a G36 will probably do just as fine with an M4A1 assuming equal levels of training) That's why I feel that 5.56x45mm can be the more mixed cartridge than 7.62x51mm, because you're not losing out on as much by doing so.

 

I wouldn't complain about them moving the CZ-527 to 7.62x39mm, though, because there is even less differentiation in 7.62x39mm firearms, and there are other applicable 5.56x45mm civilian rifles.

[Katana67 2907]

Ak5 BATTLEFIELD 4

 

 

Galil Sar CALL OF DUTY BLACK OPS ONE AND TWO

 

 

Ukranian military Vepr CALL OF DUTY GHOSTS

 

 

Wat?

Edited June 28, 2014 by Katana67

[hombrecz 832]

EDIT - In my opinion, it's a bad move to have the CZ 527 chambered in 5.56x45. I'd much rather it be chambered in 7.62x39, because it's an ostensibly "common" hunting rifle which is now chambered in a round that's only otherwise used in the rarest weapon in the game so far.

 

Pretty much. Also this will most likely make 5,56x45 more common, which I kinda don't like due to the setting.

7,62x39 would fit a lot more I'd think.

 

Btw anybody feels that pistols need to be made more viable? A bit more accurate and more powerfull as well.

Ofc compared to rifles they are extremely close range, but atleast 30-40m would help. And please no full magazine to the body, to kill someone.

[Deathlove 2286]

But the ammunition used in shotguns is pretty clear-cut.

 

It's 12-gauge... or 12-gauge...

 

So it's not like they really have anywhere else to go. Yes, I'm aware that they've indicated that .410 will be in and I'm aware that 10-gauge (amongst others) exists.

 

But they could just as easily have gone with 12-gauge and not been really limited on the amount of shotguns available to be added.

Thats what im saying though just add in a few model types latter for different types of play style and preference they can have the same damage per say but just give more options for the weapons. I love the double barrel but i do get tired of looking at the only shotgun in game all the time.

 

Here theres a whole history with some of the types and even the ammo you mentions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun

 

Wouldn't even mind some civi coach gun model types to be honest haha.

[gibonez 3633]

Wat?

 

I didnt know I havent played a COD game since mw2 and I am boycotting EA games after the BF3 fiasco.

 

You must admit thought even those 3 guns are used far more sparingly than you know the typical mp7, m4, m249 saw , cheytac intervention etc.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

I never said it was a bad weapon I merely said it follows in the standard roster of guns seen in military shooters nowadays.

 

As far as military assault rifles that do not fit the mold I would like to see this trend continue and see unique weapons that are often ignored in other shooters such as the following.

 

 

 

Ak5

 

 

 

Galil Sar

 

 

 

Rk95

 

 

 

Ukranian military Vepr

 

But ultimately the military rifle assault rifle I wish to see the most in the game with its correct caliber is the

 

.

 

The ak74 in Polish plum furniture.

 

If there is a full sized m16 rifle in the game I would love for it to be the m16a2 version. Such an Iconic gun.

 

If they wanted to do an M16A2 I'd honestly prefer they do the M16A4. That way we'd have multiple uses for most of the dedicated M4A1 parts, except for the handguards. Part of me also wants them to just do an M16A1 or M16A2 so that we don't have MAGPUL M16s everywhere.

I guess they could just do an M16A1 < M16A4 & M4A1 system.

M4A1 & M16A4 are rare, and have their distinctive advantages (M4A1 is great for CQB and has the most customization, while the M16A4 is still pretty customizable, more accurate, and fires in bursts), and the M16A1 is somewhat common, but comparably inaccurate and unreliable (not hollywood-style reliable, though)

 

I can stand by an RK-95, but I don't really see the point of an AK-74P when you have an AK-74M coming. It's essentially just two different kinds of polymer AKs. Granted, if they make the handguards & stocks interchangeable, then they can have both variations, but I'd want wood first, because I want my classic AKS-74 paratrooper rifle.

 

I didnt know I havent played a COD game since mw2 and I am boycotting EA games after the BF3 fiasco.

 

You must admit thought even those 3 guns are used far more sparingly than you know the typical mp7, m4, m249 saw , cheytac intervention etc.

 

M4A1 and M249 (M4 especially) are used so much because they're staple U.S. military guns, and most modern shooters are built around the US military in some way. Nothing really wrong with that, as most FPS games are made in the US anyway. And even the ones that aren't still usually feature it just because of how iconic it is.

Edited June 28, 2014 by Chaingunfighter

[Katana67 2907]

The functionality of most NATO assault rifles is the same. G36, L85, M4A1, M16, you name it. They're all going to perform essentially the same. There are plenty of obvious differences, but in the end it's not game changing (a soldier with a G36 will probably do just as fine with an M4A1 assuming equal levels of training) That's why I feel that 5.56x45mm can be the more mixed cartridge than 7.62x51mm, because you're not losing

 

But there are ways of making the weapons themselves different. I don't care so much about the round's performance per-se.

 

Like for the L85 you could make reloads longer, because it's a bullpup. Or, depending on which variant you select, you could make the G36 have varying levels of modularity which could be more/less than its counterparts.

 

I don't really view the rounds through the lens of "how can we make them behave differently," although that is important. My concern is primarily with how they end up forming an overall hierarchy in relationship to their respective weapons.

[gibonez 3633]

Pretty much. Also this will most likely make 5,56x45 more common, which I kinda don't like due to the setting.

7,62x39 would fit a lot more I'd think.

 

Btw anybody feels that pistols need to be made more viable? A bit more accurate and more powerfull as well.

Ofc compared to rifles they are extremely cl

ose range, but atleast 30-40m would help. And please no full magazine to the body, to kill someone.

 

I like the addition of a .223 bolt gun as but the cz probably should have been in 7.62x39 but its perfectly fine as a varmint rifle in .223.

 

Pistols should be more viable starter weapons but I suspect they arent because of the lack of empty magazines spawning with the weapon.

 

Makes a pistol pretty useless when you have to loot military areas for magazines.

 

Chances are you will find a military rifle in your search and never need the pistol at the end.

[gibonez 3633]

If they wanted to do an M16A2 I'd honestly prefer they do the M16A4. That way we'd have multiple uses for most of the dedicated M4A1 parts, except for the handguards. Part of me also wants them to just do an M16A1 or M16A2 so that we don't have MAGPUL M16s everywhere.

I guess they could just do an M16A1 < M16A4 & M4A1 system.

M4A1 & M16A4 are rare, and have their distinctive advantages (M4A1 is great for CQB and has the most customization, while the M16A4 is still pretty customizable, more accurate, and fires in bursts), and the M16A1 is somewhat common, but comparably inaccurate and unreliable (not hollywood-style reliable, though)

 

I can stand by an RK-95, but I don't really see the point of an AK-74P when you have an AK-74M coming. It's essentially just two different kinds of polymer AKs. Granted, if they make the handguards & stocks interchangeable, then they can have both variations, but I'd want wood first, because I want my classic AKS-74 paratrooper rifle.

 

 

M4A1 and M249 (M4 especially) are used so much because they're staple U.S. military guns, and most modern shooters are built around the US military in some way. Nothing really wrong with that, as most FPS games are made in the US anyway. And even the ones that aren't still usually feature it just because of how iconic it is.

 

Yea I would just imagine having it be an m16a2 would heavy lack of accessories would separate the m4 from the m16 and create 2 unique weapons.

 

The m16a4 with its modularity would just become a 3 round burst 20 inch m4.

 

I just envision there being a stock, low tier low modularity military rifle a gun that does not need to have or cant have all of the bells and gizmos that the new assault rifles have.

 

I thought the akm would have been the first rifle to do that or even the sks but both of those guns have accessories the sks even has ones that arent compatible for it.

[Element47 2481]

I disagree the weapon selection in this game is actually imaginative.

 

They opted to not go the traditional route that 99 percent of games follow.

 

Thus far they haven't settled into the usual shooting game cliche of having whatever hot new obscure weapon in the game.

 

Thus far none of the tradional Scars, no xm8s, no magpul masadas, no ACRs, no Tavors, none of the usual game cliche guns are in dayz.

 

I mean what other game has the gaul to add a cz527 a beautiful rifle that civilian shooters have come to love and it truly is a unique rifle in the market.

 

 

You can say alot of bad things about dayz but one of them is not that the weapon selection is boring.

It would be boring if the firearm roster was the same as 90 percent of shooters out there but thankfully that is not the case.

 

i cannot remember when i so wholeheartedly agreed with you, gibz, if ever :)

[Chaingunfighter 917]

But there are ways of making the weapons themselves different. I don't care so much about the round's performance per-se.

 

Like for the L85 you could make reloads longer, because it's a bullpup. Or, depending on which variant you select, you could make the G36 have varying levels of modularity which could be more/less than its counterparts.

 

I don't really view the rounds through the lens of "how can we make them behave differently," although that is important. My concern is primarily with how they end up forming an overall hierarchy in relationship to their respective weapons.

Well, that's what I was trying to say (I'm not very good with words when I'm trying to type something up quickly, as I edit my posts frequently). 7.62x51mm could be reserved completely for the generally high-performance military weapons while 7.62x54mmR would tend to be set for lower-end weapons. Most of the game's battle rifles, DMRs, sniper rifles, and GPMGs would be limited to 7.62x51mm.

You could have stuff like the SVT-40, SVD, and PKM, but I doubt the SVT-40 would stand up well to an FN FAL, the SVD an M21, or a PKM and M240. Also, unlike the Mosin, these guns still require magazines, so there's nothing wrong with having them be the few oddballs that aren't in strictly military calibers.

[Katana67 2907]

I didnt know I havent played a COD game since mw2 and I am boycotting EA games after the BF3 fiasco.

 

You must admit thought even those 3 guns are used far more sparingly than you know the typical mp7, m4, m249 saw , cheytac intervention etc.

 

Errr, kind of? They're all still pretty dern unique no matter which way you slice it. The Galil has been a fixture of shooters since CS.

 

You can't advocate for the hyper-unique weapons, while dismissing "obscure" weapons (like how you have dismissed the SCAR in the past), because the "unique" weapons you listed above, are by your own words... pretty "obscure" (save for the Galil).

 

And you can't advocate for weapons which are "likely" and then advocate for hyper-unique weapons (it's pretty unlikely that there'd be an Ak 5 or a weapon, like the RK 95, used in small numbers by one country in a place like Chernarus).

 

They're conflicting concepts, both of them.

Edited June 28, 2014 by Katana67

[gibonez 3633]

 

I can stand by an RK-95, but I don't really see the point of an AK-74P when you have an AK-74M coming. It's essentially just two different kinds of polymer AKs. Granted, if they make the handguards & stocks interchangeable, then they can have both variations, but I'd want wood first, because I want my classic AKS-74 paratrooper rifle.

 

 

Yea that would be fine the aks-74 is a beauty.

 

Anything but this.

 

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Yea I would just imagine having it be an m16a2 would heavy lack of accessories would separate the m4 from the m16 and create 2 unique weapons.

 

The m16a4 with its modularity would just become a 3 round burst 20 inch m4.

 

I just envision there being a stock, low tier low modularity military rifle a gun that does not need to have or cant have all of the bells and gizmos that the new assault rifles have.

 

I thought the akm would have been the first rifle to do that or even the sks but both of those guns have accessories the sks even has ones that arent compatible for it.

I'll admit that the attachments are a bit too common at the moment, but I see nothing wrong with having the railed handguard for the AKM. I mean, they do exist, and a lot of militaries employ them nowadays, because most people now realize how effective optics are on a weapon.

The AKM is nowhere close to the M4A1 on modularity, the only advantage having the rails do is letting you put a flashlight and bipod on it. And it's not like all of that is available to the AK right off the bat, you need to find the special parts for it. The M4A1 can accept almost all of its attachments right out of the box.

 

I'd definitely call the SKS basic in terms of attachments. The bayonet is just removed to give something for people to look for. The PU scope isn't compatible with your run of the mill SKS without special modification, but it can be done, much easier than adding the LRS to the mosin can.

It's honestly not that bad.

[Katana67 2907]

I mean, they do exist, and a lot of militaries employ them nowadays, because most people now realize how effective optics are on a weapon.

 

Like, a lot. A lot.

 

Did I say a lot? From underfunded Peshmerga militias in Iraq to high-speed-low-drag Russian SF.

 

Railed AKs are all... the... piss... over... the... place.